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    Omigawd! The GOP is holding a conference for activists from 37 states this weekend in Memphis, TN. One of the highlights of the gathering is a "straw poll" of candidates who are possible contenders for the GOP Presidential nomination in 2008. The winner of the poll was Sen. Bill "I'm innocent of any misconduct" Frist (36.29% of 1,427 votes cast), followed in second place by Mass. Gov. Mitt Romney ("Mr. Salt Lake City Winter Olympics of 2002", 14%).

    The best part of the balloting was the pre-vote speeches, and the best speech by far was by loose cannon Sen. John McCain, who demurred from being considered as a candidate in the straw poll, instead asking anyone who might have voted for him to write in the name of Pres. Bush. Heheheheheh. Even among the die hard Republicans, the best the Pres. could do was a tie for 3rd place with Sen. George Allen of VA (WHO?) with a 10.3% finish.

    I think the Republican National Committee made a tactical booboo last election by allowing Cheney to remain as VP. Now they really have no heir-apparent, and if the Dems don't take advantage of this (and please, not with Hillary!), the two party system in this country is really up a creek without a paddle.

    Miulang
    Last edited by Miulang; March 11, 2006, 04:56 PM.
    "Americans believe in three freedoms. Freedom of speech; freedom of religion; and the freedom to deny the other two to folks they don`t like.” --Mark Twain

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    I never thought it would come to this Miulang. We agree to agree.

    Keeping Cheney last goround was a blunder in 2 different ways. First, he is truly the enemy the left hates, even more than Bush. Second, the reason you state re: heir to the office.

    But no matter how you slice it, I don't think Democrats are united enough yet to win back the presidency. Moderate Clinton-esque Democrats have been embarrassed into intransigence by the 5% fringe element in their party. The tragedy of it is that none of the regular joe dems are brave enough to stand up to that fringe element and cast them off to the side. It's like a kidnapping.
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    • #3
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      Originally posted by timkona
      I never thought it would come to this Miulang. We agree to agree.

      Keeping Cheney last goround was a blunder in 2 different ways. First, he is truly the enemy the left hates, even more than Bush. Second, the reason you state re: heir to the office.

      But no matter how you slice it, I don't think Democrats are united enough yet to win back the presidency. Moderate Clinton-esque Democrats have been embarrassed into intransigence by the 5% fringe element in their party. The tragedy of it is that none of the regular joe dems are brave enough to stand up to that fringe element and cast them off to the side. It's like a kidnapping.
      Whereas the Republicans happily embrace their fringe elements (Hey, Falwell! Hey, Robertson! Hey, James Dobson! C'mon Down!).
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        I'm sure Bush made Falwell real happy when he hired a pro-choice attorney general who speaks spanish rather well.

        I admit that both sides have unstable edges. The right has done a much better job of keeping their fringe at bay. The left has allowed the fringe in their party to take over. What's worse is that some elements in the fringe left are actually cheering for the right behind closed doors. Mike Moore is a perfect example of that. He bilked $7 out of every pocket, then gloated about his tax cuts on Leno. If all press is good press, why didn't Moore make a movie about the candidate he wanted to win. (or did he?)
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          Originally posted by timkona
          I'm sure Bush made Falwell real happy when he hired a pro-choice attorney general who speaks spanish rather well.
          Unfortunately that pro-choice Hispanic speaking attorney general is also the one who condoned (in fact even publicly declared it OK) for us to torture prisoners at Abu Ghraib, among other transgressions. He didn't see anything wrong with the inquisition/torture at Gitmo, either. He is also responsible for making this the most secretive Presidency in the history of this country allowing many more documents classified as secret (thereby hindering key Congressional hearings). He's a known friend of the execs at Enron. And he's a good ol' boy from Texas who is a crony of the President from his Texas governor days. Those don't sound like really sterling credentials to me.

          Miulang
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            But the real question is "Did it upset the religious fringe of the right?"
            I guess YES.

            I'm still waiting for ANY Democrat to do something that would upset the left fringe.
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              Originally posted by timkona
              But the real question is "Did it upset the religious fringe of the right?"
              I guess YES.

              I'm still waiting for ANY Democrat to do something that would upset the left fringe.
              Oh, that's easy. Go look at the Democratic votes for cloture on Alito. Then look at the Democratic votes against him when the full Senate voted. Note the difference, and who that difference is comprised of. The Liebermans and others have thoroughly infuriated the "fringe" left, which is really not very far from the center at all. It's just that American politics have swung so far to the right that what used to be liberal is now labeled "far left."

              Hell, Moore's not that far left. He doesn't want a communist or socialist state, which is how the left used to be defined. No liberal with any sway does (I put it that way to preclude the usual "what about ANSWER" claim, which is bogus. ANSWER has no clout at all within the Democratic party).
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                Just a quick note... President G. W. Bush You let me and all the others that believed in what you said prior to being elected down. C'mon man WTF you doin'? Now the question stands... What to do 'bout it? Is anyone that runs gonna be for real?
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                • #9
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                  Originally posted by Miulang
                  (and please, not with Hillary!)

                  Miulang

                  Why not Hillary? She was the brains behind Bill's testicles, just like Cheney is Bush's puppetmaster. She knows how to build a coalition, has a workable centrist platform and will automatically bring in a good portion of votes from men and women who would like to see a female president in our lifetime.

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                    Originally posted by Mahi Waina
                    Why not Hillary? She was the brains behind Bill's testicles, just like Cheney is Bush's puppetmaster. She knows how to build a coalition, has a workable centrist platform and will automatically bring in a good portion of votes from men and women who would like to see a female president in our lifetime.
                    heheheheh. I think for role models, she must look up to Maggie Thatcher and Golda Meier. Some people speculate that it will be her v. Condoleeeeeeeza in 2008. Hmmm...is the country really ready for a woman President, given the high percentage of right wing whackos out there in the red states who believe women have no business in politics? Oh well, at least Hillary bakes choco chip cookies. I don't know if Condi cooks at all!

                    Miulang
                    Last edited by Miulang; March 12, 2006, 08:46 AM.
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                      Whether or not alot of American citizens are ready for a female President, If I had a choice between Hillary Rodham-Clinton and Condoleeza Rice, I would vote for Condoleeza. Both are stand up and strong in themselves, but I prefer how Condoleeza comes across and feel that she may do a better job for all of us.
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                      • #12
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                        Originally posted by Menehune Man
                        Whether or not alot of American citizens are ready for a female President, If I had a choice between Hillary Rodham-Clinton and Condoleeza Rice, I would vote for Condoleeza. Both are stand up and strong in themselves, but I prefer how Condoleeza comes across and feel that she may do a better job for all of us.
                        For me it would be a tossup; Condoleeeeza is guilty of being a "yes gal" for the President you say sold you a bill of goods...and there may be some "skeletons" in her closet that might emerge which would turn off all those religious Conservatives. Both women are smart and aggressive for sure, but I'm still not convinced most of the country is ready to see a woman in control of the US. The time WILL come, though, given the trend of installing women leaders in many other countries around the world. My guess is if there were more women leaders, rather than try to out-testosterone each other and start a war, the wahines would call each other up and want to discuss issues over tea or coffee. Waging war would be the absolute last thing these women leaders would want.

                        Miulang
                        "Americans believe in three freedoms. Freedom of speech; freedom of religion; and the freedom to deny the other two to folks they don`t like.” --Mark Twain

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                          I think Condoleeza has the smarts to be President but I cannot in my wildest dreams think the south (which history shows you HAVE to win in order to win the election) would support a woman, let alone a African-American woman for President.


                          Did Colin Powell not say in his autobiography that he thought he might be assassinated if he even ran for President, let alone WON?

                          As much as I do like McCain, I am ticked at him for turning down Kerry's offer to be his running mate, they would have won the election hands-down. But McCain is way too OLD to be President, did we not learn with Ronald Reagan that once you elect someone that old you might have a second term that is forgettable in the literal sense. I mean if McCain were to be elected he will be older than Ronald Reagan was 25 years ago!!

                          Meanwhile I will NOT support Hilary Clinton whatsoever, why support someone who will hands down lose since she is the most hated political figure I can think of in modern day history. I like her, but I would rather support someone who I think will win, with that being said I would like to draft John Edwards/Even Bayh as a ticket in 2008.

                          I wish Al Gore would run again, heck Nixon came back after 8 years out of office and won the Presidency so he proved you can make a comeback.

                          KalihiBoy

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                            Originally posted by Kalihiboy
                            I cannot in my wildest dreams think the south (which history shows you HAVE to win in order to win the election)

                            KalihiBoy

                            The South has risen again! We should beat it back down before it destroys this country once and for all.

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                              Not in time for the next presidential election but I wonder if we will ever remove the requirement that one be born a US citizen in order to run for President? I heard Congress was considering legislation to remove that requirement (supposedly to clear the way for Arnold Schwarzenegger to eventually run, but he's not looking so golden these days).

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