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**Lei Liko** · June 17, 2006, 10:35 PM

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It's actions like this, coupled with the crap (hi, paint at NYC's Fashion Week) they like to pull with other celebrities that makes them lose all credibility and takes away what would otherwise be a platform that many could support.

[shaking my head]

I have a craving for a big fat juicy rib-eye now.

**pzarquon** · June 17, 2006, 11:02 PM

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At least you're eating your dead animal. Never understood the fur thing, unless you live off the land in a hut or cave somewhere.

PETA's been after Beyonce for years. Interesting way to get access. I bet all celebrities are rethinking those "time with a star" auctions right about now.

**Lei Liko** · June 17, 2006, 11:17 PM

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Originally posted by pzarquon

At least you're eating your dead animal. Never understood the fur thing, unless you live off the land in a hut or cave somewhere.

When my grandma died, I inherited a mink stole. I remember getting it, thinking, "WTF am I going to do with this?" It's been 8 years and I still haven't worn it. Everytime I think of fur, mink stoles, etc. etc. I can't help but think of Alexis and Krystle Carrington on Dynasty.

I've never understood the fur thing either, but we all know it's just an elitist thing...a way to show off you've got money.

**tutusue** · June 18, 2006, 09:36 AM

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Sounds like the PETA folks didn't get the dinner they bid on! I wonder if the eBay seller will be asked to reimburse the money!

But, yah...a cheap shot on the part of the PETA folks.

**MadAzza** · June 18, 2006, 02:49 PM

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Ever wonder why the folks in PETA always pick on women wearing fur?

Let's see 'em crash a biker convention and get all in their faces for wearing leather jackets. I'd buy tickets to see that mess.

(Biker convention ... hmm, interesting concept. "Hi, my name's Bulldog. I sell aluminum siding. Here's my card.")

**Miulang** · June 18, 2006, 03:02 PM

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I had a neighbor in Boston once who walked across the street to my house wearing a sensible-looking gray cloth coat (a la Pat Nixon). Once she got to our front steps, she opened up the coat and revealed that it was lined in MINK. Her explanation? The fur was meant to keep her warm, so why wear it on the outside of her coat?

Miulang

**glossyp** · June 18, 2006, 04:10 PM

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Originally posted by Lei Liko

I've never understood the fur thing either, but we all know it's just an elitist thing...a way to show off you've got money.

We do? When I lived in Korea, I had a fur coat (coyote) and wearing it was a real joy because I was finally warm. Those M.A.S.H. episodes where everyone is freezing are true. Waking up with ice on the inside of the windows was not unusual. Nothing keeps you warm like fur. That said, there is obviously an element of show off when stars who stroll from a heated limo to a heated event are layered in fur. And, of course, I moved to the tropics so no more fur for me - hopefully ever- but I wouldn't hesitate if I was suddenly forced to move to some place where the winters are really harsh.

**damontucker** · June 18, 2006, 04:15 PM

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Originally posted by glossyp

We do? When I lived in Korea, I had a fur coat (coyote) and wearing it was a real joy because I was finally warm. Those M.A.S.H. episodes where everyone is freezing are true. Waking up with ice on the inside of the windows was not unusual. Nothing keeps you warm like fur. That said, there is obviously an element of show off when stars who stroll from a heated limo to a heated event are layered in fur. And, of course, I moved to the tropics so no more fur for me - hopefully ever- but I wouldn't hesitate if I was suddenly forced to move to some place where the winters are really harsh.

A Goretex jacket lined with a few heaters and some batteries.... $500.00 (Washable)

Fur... $2000.00 (not washable)

**glossyp** · June 18, 2006, 04:23 PM

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Originally posted by manoasurfer123

A Goretex jacket lined with a few heaters and some batteries.... $500.00 (Washable)

Fur... $2000.00 (not washable)

Think late 70's - not now. And, isn't that a petroluem based product using up valuable resources? Fur coat properly cared for will last through at least three generations - wonder if the goretex would? The fur coat doesn't need to be washed, just brushed! Wise use of resources should be considered. The fur coat is a recycled item which will last a very long time, my sister-in-law wears it now and I expect it will get passed along to one of her daughters.

**timkona** · June 19, 2006, 08:45 AM

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PETA represents a portion of the liberal side of politics that will prevent Democrats from capturing the White House for years to come.

Democrats are slow to realize that their party has been kidnapped by the fringe. And they walk around with this mock confusion on their faces about the source of their lack of votes.

This tragedy manifests itself vividly in West Hawaii, where the activist mentality has effectively killed any hope of Kona ever holding it's own against the cabal in Hilo.

**Leo Lakio** · June 19, 2006, 09:12 AM

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Originally posted by timkona

Democrats are slow to realize that their party has been kidnapped by the fringe.

Quite the opposite, imho; I wish the fringes had more voice in the Democratic Party. I think the party's failures are linked to ongoing attempts to be GOP Lite; ain't no way the Dems are going to out-Republican the Republicans.

**Pua'i Mana'o** · June 19, 2006, 09:31 AM

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Originally posted by Lei Liko

I've never understood the fur thing either, but we all know it's just an elitist thing...a way to show off you've got money.

Fact is, the warmest materials for the coldest weather are animal materials: down jackets, cashmere sweaters, wool hats, leather gloves, silk underwear, and fur coats. NASA and others can develop all their fancy synthetics, but the above remains true. Look at all those National Geographic pics of living in snow and notice what they wear.

Problem is, the stuff became symbols of luxury to be paraded about, instead of materials derived from living in a harsh environment.

On that same theme, the best breathable fabrics are plant-based, with cotton and hemp immediately coming to mind.

As someone who has lived in the tropics her whole life, I have no need for animal materials, but won't hesitate to drop good bucks on a really nice cotton kurta.

**tutusue** · June 19, 2006, 10:25 AM

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I haven't seen any reference to sheep skin seat covers. Comments anyone?

**Vanguard** · June 28, 2006, 03:39 AM

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As a vegetarian, I'm not very pleased with PETA. In my opinion, all they do is make spectacles of themselves by saying outrageous things and maintaining an unhealthy stereotype of rabid vegetarians that try to preach to everyone in a confrontational manner. I dislike people and organizations that I preceive as claiming to stand for something like vegetarianism, but they ruin it by making a bad feeling with the public through extremism.

Sometimes I think that PETA is being funded by various people and corporations that have vested interest in the meat industries, just so they can try to discredit vegetarians.