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  • The "Real" Middle Eastern War

    And the one war I hope we don't decide to "help" in.

    Just when it appeared that there could be detente, too.

    Miulang
    "Americans believe in three freedoms. Freedom of speech; freedom of religion; and the freedom to deny the other two to folks they don`t like.” --Mark Twain

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    Re: The "Real" Middle Eastern War...

    This Israelis have started bombing bridges and power stations in the Gaza Strip today. Apparently this is in defiance of the Geneva Accords because the bombings will also probably kill and maim innocent people. There is no electricity or water in Gaza. I guess the Israelis think they are above international law, too. I hope the Israelis are able to free the two Israelis now being held captive by different factions of Hamas and Hezbollah, but the current situation on both the Palestinian and Israeli sides is a very big setback for all the peace efforts in recent years.

    Miulang
    "Americans believe in three freedoms. Freedom of speech; freedom of religion; and the freedom to deny the other two to folks they don`t like.” --Mark Twain

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    • #3
      Re: The "Real" Middle Eastern War...

      There will never be peace in the Muddled East until the Koran is edited or discredited.

      imapoet?
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      • #4
        miliarist Zionism is not in West's best interests

        At the moment military forces of militant Zionizm are positioning their Death Machinery outside and in Gaza to reoccupy, reposition forces after weeks of assassinating, attempting to assassinate or effectively just mere murdering more than fifty Palestinians in the Israeli Gaza Concentration Camp. Is Israel positioning for another militant zionizt Sharon's Beruit-style urban assault for a reason only militant zionizts could pray for, securing a Greater Israel in Palestine?

        Israeli militarism is like no other on Earth. It is thoroughly fed by a foreign source, exists independent of all international checks and bounds, delivers absolutist self-defined justice and finality on its enemies, suspects, victims. Israeli militarism is immunized against the IAEA, against the International Court, against the United Nations. Militarist Zionism is not inherent to "Western interests", but Militarist Zionism is increasingly the sole beneficiary of militarist projections of "Western interests" into the Middle East.
        We are, Mr. X says, embarking on a major power struggle between Iran and Islamic fundamentalism on the one hand, and Western interests, led by the United States, on the other. The concern that Iran may acquire nuclear weapons, he says, is a red herring. Iran's nukes would be counterbalanced, he says, by those in Israel's arsenal. www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5511503
        Mr. X proposes that the best and perhaps the only way to confront Iran effectively is indirectly, inside Iraq.He is concerned that there is already far too much Iranian influence in Iraq, and insists that only U.S. military force can drive it out.
        To do that, he says, you will need more troops in Iraq. More, not fewer. And you will have to announce a clear "no exit” policy. When I suggest to him that neither Democrats nor Republicans are likely to be able to sell that package to the American Congress and the public, he shrugs, as if to say: "I've given you a solution. Whether or not you can implement it is up to you.”
        A "no exit" strategy? That strategy has been and is quite clear, all that remains to make their "no exit"
        strategy to be made more clear is for U.S. and Israel militaries to inflict greater devastation in all of the Middle East that is contrary to the interests of Greater Israel or contrary to the interest of United States addiction to cheap oil. It is perfectly clear that the United States wants a permanent footprint in the Middle East for United States' 51st State Israel and for United States suicidal addiction to Oil.
        Last edited by waioli kai; June 28, 2006, 06:30 PM.

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        • #5
          immoral equivalency: Zionazi terrorism/anti-fascUSt terrorism

          The collective punishment which Israel pours upon Palestinian exiles, especially now upon Christian, Moslem and secular Palestinians in the Gaza concentration camp is exactly what Hitler's Nazi did to Jews and others throughout Western and Eastern Europe where resistance to Nazi oppression was encountered.

          While the United States prosecuted Nazi heirarchy for war crimes against Jews, the United States supplies and abets the Israeli heirarchy in their commissions of war crimes against Palestinians.

          Together and separately, Israel and United States dish out collective judgement on Palestinians from their godlessly self-righteous, hypocritcal perches of military superiority.

          The only difference between the state militarism/terrorism of the Israeli and the state militarism/terrorism of Hitler's Nazi is the language being spoken by the militarist criminals themselves.
          Last edited by waioli kai; June 28, 2006, 07:15 PM.

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          • #6
            Jews' prophetic redemption.

            "Although most religious Jews believe in Zionism, there has always been an extremist element that thinks it is heresy; they wish to wait for God to deliver us personally . They may wish to supress their national aspirations and wait for God to deliver us home; however, 'practical' Jews understand that God can work in 'non-literal' ways."

            It is not so much that 'practical', that is secular, Jews understand 'non-literal' ways', in-so-much-as they define and enact those ways; extremists put much import into literal ways on one hand, then on the other hand these extremists can be 'practical' (that is, disregard literal ways, when it is convenient to do so) by following 'non-literal' ways instead of literal ways.

            Israel's, if not the world's, Zionazi (as opposed to Jewish humanitarian Zionists, and Jewish non-Zionists ) took Nazism from Nazi Europe/America, incorporated it as their modus operandi
            while they, these Jewish extremists began to defile the honor of those who suffered {Jews and non-Jews alike] Germanazi oppression. These Jewish extremists began making of the WW2 holocaust a self-serving icon called: The Holocaust. How was it a self-serving deception? The horror could be used to satisfy a prerequisite described in their holy scriptures which said that The Holocaust would precede another important event that would immediately preceed God's Chosen Ones being literally told by God of/at the actual moment of Jews' prophetic redemption.

            " 'There was no such divine, literal assurance to Jewry or anyone else in the world in the 20th Century, but, that did not stop Jewish extremists (the Zionazi) from escalating their terror to force upon the world their version of Zion. Were it truly God's version of Zion for Jews and the rest of humanity...well, there is no way God would found His prophesized Zion on a holocaust perpetrated by those who were seeking His redemption is there?' "

            'So does that mean the real Holocaust that is specifically of a nature of Jewish suffering is yet to be?'

            Just another pre-9!! inquiry that remains unanswered.
            Last edited by waioli kai; June 28, 2006, 06:33 PM.

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            • #7
              Militant Zionizm's History and present

              "In our country there is room only for the Jews. We shall say to the Arabs: Get out! If they don't agree, if they resist, we shall drive them out by force." - Ben-Zion Dinur, Israel's first Minister of Education in 1954
              Militant Zionizm's History, Ersatz Israel's immoral foundation

              "Sixty years ago, however, at the time of the British Mandate, it was Jews in Palestine who mainly waged terrorism against the Palestinians. As Jewish leader David Ben-Gurion recorded in his personal history of Israel: “From 1946 to 1947 there were scarcely any Arab attacks on the Yishuv [the Jewish community in Palestine].” www.wrmea.org/archives/May-June_2006/0605014.html

              The same could not be said for the Zionists. Jewish terrorists waged an intense and bloody campaign against the Palestinians, British, and even some Jews who opposed them leading up to the establishment of Israel.

              The two major Jewish terror organizations in pre-independence Palestine were the Irgun Zvai Leumi—National Military Organization, NMO, also known by the Hebrew letters Etzel—founded in 1937, and the Lohamei Herut Israel, Fighters for the Freedom of Israel, Lehi in the Hebrew acronym, also known as the Stern Gang after its leader Avraham Stern, known as Yair, founded in 1940.

              The Irgun was led by Menachem Begin, the future Israeli prime minister who was a leading proponent of Revisionist Zionism, the militant branch of Zionism pioneered by Vladimir Zeev Jabotinsky, which openly despised the Arabs and sought restoration of what it called Eretz Yisrael, the ancient land of Israel. By this was meant “both sides of the Jordan,” the Irgun slogan meaning all of Palestine and Jordan was the rightful home of the Jews." ... ...

              Since the CheneyBush regime took control of the United States U.S. foreign policy with regard to Palestine has been to give Israel free reign to do whatever Israel wants. The West's beast in the Middle East is now with CheneyBush's regular feedings a monster of no restraints, no conscience.

              When a reported 90% of Israeli Jewish citizenry supports the Zionazi assassination policy (collateral damage, so what?)
              , support extra-judicial executions of anti-Zionazi militants, who of the Jewish citizenry is innocent? When virtually every pubescent Israeli Jewish male and female is indoctrinated and trained for deployment in Zionazi militarizt offenses, how many innocent Jews are there in Israel?

              Putting to practice the Zionazi rationalization " if the terrorists ( that is, the militant as well as the ideological opposition to Zionazism , opposition to militant Zionizm ) choose to endanger their own people that is their decision and their burden. ",,,,,how does putting such a rationalization to use in the real world leave room for the innocent anywhere, even for "innocent Israeli Jews", on Earth?

              Israel Offens Forces: "The terrorist (i.e., the militant anti-Zionazi) is under the incorrect impression that he may fire missiles into Israel and then hide behind woman and children and that somehow he is safe. How utterly pathetic! Hide behind woman and children? We are Zionazi warriors, what the hell do we care about the 'terrorists' women and children. The only really good Palestinian, to us Zionazi, is a dead one."
              Last edited by waioli kai; July 12, 2006, 07:56 AM.

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              • #8
                Re: The "Real" Middle Eastern War...

                First the Gaza Strip and today, Lebanon. Where will Israel invade next? Syria? And this is what Israeli jet fighters are doing: blowing up bridges so that no one can travel through Southern Lebanon.

                Miulang
                Last edited by Miulang; July 12, 2006, 08:57 AM.
                "Americans believe in three freedoms. Freedom of speech; freedom of religion; and the freedom to deny the other two to folks they don`t like.” --Mark Twain

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                • #9
                  kill non-Jews and bulldoze

                  There is no end to a two-way discussion when one party in the discussion/session who has no talent for psychotherapy engages with another party who, being a Jew (a Christian, a Muslim, a Hindu, whatever alleged devotee with their corresponding "anti- _____") experiences the world in the context of: that which is Jew, that which is Jew-friendly/forgiving and that which is "anti-Jew". In such a world view, there is no non-Jew.

                  The Jew who is enraptured in such a state of Zionizt zeal grounded on a militarist foundation by Israel in Palestine is not a Zionist in the true sense of Zionism's founder Theodor Herzl (died 1904). Herzl's ideology, if it has anything to do with Herzl's conscience and the integrity of writings, did not/does not have a militant aspect to it. Herzl's Zionism was corrupted by other's incorporation of militarism under the banner of "Zionism".

                  Nothing's changed since a couple years before 9-!!, except for accelerated destruction of Iraq and enhaced Israeli aggression upon Palestinian refugees and residents:

                  United States foreign policy in the Mid-East is Israel-oriented, Israel-centered. The U.S. gov't is an Israeli puppet. Israeli foes are US foes. Iraq is less a threat to Israel than Israel is to Iraq. With Israel's predilection for seeking revenge for perceived wrongs done to Him, one may wonder if the land of Babylon (Iraq) has yet to endure the full wrath of Israel.
                  Many (not all) Israeli and American Jews prescribe to the belief that Israel, as it exists on the land of Palestine, is indeed the location that God of the Jews had in mind for them to inhabit, ending Diaspora.
                  Everyone knows that God did not speak to Jews of the world saying,

                  " Go forth ; organize a terrorist group, name it Irgun; terrorize the non-Jews of Palestine, drive them from their homes, orchards, vineyards, pastures, ports and make all your own; train your people to kill non-Jews and bulldoze their homes in My name; torture your non-Jew prisoners for Me; ensure that My planet will remain in turmoil until I choose to end everyones' visit There. And do not hesitate to arm yourself with the most powerful, death delivering devices imaginable-- use them whenever you think it is necessary, do not wait for My permission."

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                  • #10
                    Re: The "Real" Middle Eastern War...

                    Everyone knows that God did not speak to Jews of the world saying,

                    " Go forth ; organize a terrorist group, name it Irgun; terrorize the non-Jews of Palestine, drive them from their homes, orchards, vineyards, pastures, ports and make all your own; train your people to kill non-Jews and bulldoze their homes in My name; torture your non-Jew prisoners for Me; ensure that My planet will remain in turmoil until I choose to end everyones' visit There. And do not hesitate to arm yourself with the most powerful, death delivering devices imaginable-- use them whenever you think it is necessary, do not wait for My permission."


                    You right. Hard to find that in the Bible or the Torah. And anybody who thinks god is speaking directly to them probably needs a cold beer and a joint.

                    BUT THE KORAN HAS OVER 20 DIRECT REFERENCES TO THAT NOTION.

                    AND OVER 200 INDIRECT REFERENCES.

                    "Convert or Kill" is a theme of Islam. Historically, there are few religions that take conversion to a deadly level.

                    You would think Jews should revere Hitler. As a result of his craziness, they got their own nation finally. Maybe god sent Hitler to convince the world to have pity on Jews long enough for them to get a nation of their own.

                    hobrah, its early, and im feeling cantankerous right now.
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                    • #11
                      "Be not deceived ..." , Re: The "Real" Middle Eastern War...

                      -- "First the Gaza Strip and today, Lebanon. Where will Israel invade next? Syria? --Miulang

                      Zionazi spokesmen announce that on behalf of two Israeli POW's allegedly being held in Lebanon they are prepared to "set Lebanon back twenty years", which if one remembers what Zionazi forces have done to Lebanon in the past ('The 1980s were especially bleak, with much of Beirut laid in ruins during the Israeli invasion...') that means devastation on a scale only Israel's U.S.-made weapons and delivery vehicles can create. Why does Israel act as if Israel is not subject to: "Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man (or nation) soweth, that shall he (they) also reap." How can any peoples who have wrought such injustice and suffering on other peoples ever expect to themselves live in peace and security? Does Israel expect they will render the Middle East free of its indigenous peoples as the United States did in North America?
                      "A lie travels around the world and back again while the truth is still lacing its boots."

                      The truths of militant Zionism have started their journey.
                      Last edited by waioli kai; July 12, 2006, 08:51 AM.

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                      • #12
                        Re: The "Real" Middle Eastern War...

                        I have no ill will towards most of the people of Israel for they are like everyone else all over the world. However, when it comes to the Zionist extremists, I DO have a problem with them, for they have very similar attitudes to our current administration (and some pro-Zionist organizations are helping to run this country).

                        Diplomacy appears to be an evil word in both governments' vocabulary (although something is changing at the White House for some reason, e.g. its stance on North Korea ). Why do the Zionists believe that the only way to achieve peace is through violence? Why do we believe that peace can only be achieved through the annihilation of other cultures? Whatever happened to the notion of peaceful coexistence?

                        Miulang
                        Last edited by Miulang; July 12, 2006, 09:07 AM.
                        "Americans believe in three freedoms. Freedom of speech; freedom of religion; and the freedom to deny the other two to folks they don`t like.” --Mark Twain

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                        • #13
                          Israel Offense Forces' 2006CE Offensive

                          Israel Offense Forces' 2006CE Offensive
                          Israel's use of military force to intimidate a civilian population for political ends is the very definition of state terrorism.
                          "What would Sharon have done?

                          "...even in the wet heat of a Tel Aviv summer, Olmert looked cool in his dark suit and striped tie, until he mentioned his predecessor, Ariel Sharon ...." www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13773304/site/newsweek/ .

                          --"Why did the Palestinians continue to fire, once Israel had left Gaza?" --
                          Really? Israel i0f left Gaza? In the air, those tank muzzle rounds, helicopters, warplanes, drones, missiles were what? And that was after Israel Offense Forces first destroyed and abandoned the surface of Israeli Gaza when Sharonazi were playing Sharon-nicety to the gullible West audience, all the while Israeli Netanyahus are licking their chops for more persecution of "the Palestinians".

                          There are those of militant zionizm who still do not concede that there exists "the Palestinians", zionizts who say there was no defined place named Palestine; therefore, there are no such peoples as Palestinians; for instance, there has never been such a person as a Palestinian Jew for the modern zionizt mindset; yet somehow there are so-called Israeli moslem, christian and secular Arabs.

                          Well, for whatever reason zionizt now concede that Palestinians do in fact exist, it cannotes to a sound mind that there was and is Palestine, yet to all the world Palestine only ceases to exist when viewed from a zionizt perch.
                          -- " The war is over. Why don't you Palestinians let a new future begin? " --
                          "A new future where your sun rises from and sets behind our new walls; where we assassinate whoever of you we want with whatever collateral damage our 'self-defense' entails; where the United States does our bidding and destroys your friends and allies; where you will serve our interests or you will cease to want to exist."

                          ***** ***

                          Compare "Jewish Temple Mount" to centurys' of Haram al-Sharif . Such is propaganda success: In one generation of successfully propagandized English-speaking youth something such as the "Jewish Temple Mount" takes on more signifigance than
                          Haram al-Sharif ! !
                          Last edited by waioli kai; July 12, 2006, 09:11 AM.

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                          • #14
                            "peaceful coexistence" with pathological bullies?Re: The "Real" Middle Eastern War...

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                            --Whatever happened to the notion of peaceful coexistence?--

                            What in the heck is "peaceful coexistence" to pathological bullies? To such bullies peace is the result of unilateral 'pacification', that is, military intiatives, extra-judicial, preemptory 'self-defense' actions, no negotiations 'it's going to be my way or you will wish you were dead' policies. As for coexistence, 'only the weak and helpless appeal for coexistence, We, the U.S./Israel determine what is to exist and what is not to exist'.
                            Last edited by waioli kai; July 12, 2006, 09:39 AM.

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                            • #15
                              Re: The "Real" Middle Eastern War...

                              re: the holy books and what they say about this/that, here is a great reference site:

                              http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/index.html

                              http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/index.html

                              pax

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