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    OK, what's wrong with this picture? First of all, we don't want Iran to have nuclear technology, but after being wined and dined by large Indian business coalitions, we're about to allow India to buy nuclear technology from us?

    "...Last week, the efforts of the New Delhi-based Confederation of Indian Industry and a simultaneous lobbying campaign by American industrial companies paid off: Two key congressional committees approved a controversial plan to allow trade with India involving nuclear technology and other sensitive areas.

    If the full Congress approves the plan, the deal would cement a historic new US-India alliance and open the doors to billions of dollars worth of high-tech and military sales to the South Asian nation. India will become the only country in the world to gain access to sensitive US nuclear technology without signing the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty and agreeing to give up its nuclear arsenal. In return, India would tighten its export controls and place some of its nuclear reactors under international inspections.

    Supporters of the plan say it is a ``win-win" proposal, increasing business ties with one of the world's fastest-growing economies and strengthening nuclear safeguards in India at the same time.

    But critics say billion-dollar business interests -- in the United States as well as India -- have trumped the decades-old policy of trying to get India to give up its nuclear weapons program. They point to the massive, behind-the-scenes lobbying effort by the Confederation and US businesses as proof.

    ``It is clear that business interests and US defense contractors and former US officials involved in South Asia policy have been working hard to push this deal," said Daryl Kimball, executive director of the Arms Control Association. ``History has shown that US nonproliferation policy has consistently been compromised by interests in maintaining good relations or expanding business ties."

    President Bush backed the proposal as a way to allow India to buy civilian nuclear reactors from the West, helping it feed its ever-growing needs for power without resorting to pollution-prone conventional power plants. Bush administration officials say the deal also provides a host of strategic advantages, including building a lasting friendship with a rapidly growing democracy in Asia, as a check on China's growing influence.

    But few deny that the prospect of business opportunities worth billions of dollars helped fuel the deal. For Indian entrepreneurs, it is an opportunity to make money on privatized nuclear power plants and buy high-tech equipment that has been restricted for decades. For US businesses, it is a chance to invest in India's rapidly growing energy sector, to sell supplies to Indian nuclear reactors, and -- for the first time -- to have a shot at large-scale military contracts..."

    Can someone say, "it's all about capitalism and making money for US corporations?" Of course, if India had nuclear capability, it might do some interesting things to our current relationship with the repressive Pakistani government...

    Again, we reward countries when they have something to offer us and are willing to do business on our terms, but we punish the countries that don't kowtow to our demands. Sure screwy, bad foreign policy to me. Hopefully Congress will see through this ploy and stop the deal before we get the Ruskis, the Chinese and the North Koreans more mad at us than they already are.

    Miulang
    Last edited by Miulang; July 3, 2006, 08:05 PM.
    "Americans believe in three freedoms. Freedom of speech; freedom of religion; and the freedom to deny the other two to folks they don`t like.” --Mark Twain

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    Re: Nuclear Technology sold to India?

    Originally posted by Miulang
    OK, what's wrong with this picture? First of all, we don't want Iran to have nuclear technology, but after being wined and dined by large Indian business coalitions, we're about to allow India to buy nuclear technology from us?

    "...Last week, the efforts of the New Delhi-based Confederation of Indian Industry and a simultaneous lobbying campaign by American industrial companies paid off: Two key congressional committees approved a controversial plan to allow trade with India involving nuclear technology and other sensitive areas.

    If the full Congress approves the plan, the deal would cement a historic new US-India alliance and open the doors to billions of dollars worth of high-tech and military sales to the South Asian nation. India will become the only country in the world to gain access to sensitive US nuclear technology without signing the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty and agreeing to give up its nuclear arsenal. In return, India would tighten its export controls and place some of its nuclear reactors under international inspections.

    Supporters of the plan say it is a ``win-win" proposal, increasing business ties with one of the world's fastest-growing economies and strengthening nuclear safeguards in India at the same time.

    But critics say billion-dollar business interests -- in the United States as well as India -- have trumped the decades-old policy of trying to get India to give up its nuclear weapons program. They point to the massive, behind-the-scenes lobbying effort by the Confederation and US businesses as proof.

    ``It is clear that business interests and US defense contractors and former US officials involved in South Asia policy have been working hard to push this deal," said Daryl Kimball, executive director of the Arms Control Association. ``History has shown that US nonproliferation policy has consistently been compromised by interests in maintaining good relations or expanding business ties."

    President Bush backed the proposal as a way to allow India to buy civilian nuclear reactors from the West, helping it feed its ever-growing needs for power without resorting to pollution-prone conventional power plants. Bush administration officials say the deal also provides a host of strategic advantages, including building a lasting friendship with a rapidly growing democracy in Asia, as a check on China's growing influence.

    But few deny that the prospect of business opportunities worth billions of dollars helped fuel the deal. For Indian entrepreneurs, it is an opportunity to make money on privatized nuclear power plants and buy high-tech equipment that has been restricted for decades. For US businesses, it is a chance to invest in India's rapidly growing energy sector, to sell supplies to Indian nuclear reactors, and -- for the first time -- to have a shot at large-scale military contracts..."

    Can someone say, "it's all about capitalism and making money for US corporations?" Of course, if India had nuclear capability, it might do some interesting things to our current relationship with the repressive Pakistani government...

    Again, we reward countries when they have something to offer us and are willing to do business on our terms, but we punish the countries that don't kowtow to our demands. Sure screwy, bad foreign policy to me. Hopefully Congress will see through this ploy and stop the deal before we get the Ruskis, the Chinese and the North Koreans more mad at us than they already are.

    Miulang
    Ok... how to simplify this.....

    There is someone that lives down the street from you. They hate your guts and hold regular meetings about how you are the great satan and wish death for you.

    You have another neighbor down the street that is your friend .. They ask for your tools wouldn't you give it to them too? If this tool was freely given to the neighbor that hates you they could rebuild it into something that can kill you and your whole family, would you give it to them? Especially when they kidnapped some of your family members in the past and held them for almost 2 years?

    News flash... The UN which stands for United Nations.. meaning more than one nation) has decided that Iran is not trustworthy enough to have this technology and use it to a good cause.

    The "nuclear" facility that they have built has AAA (Anti Aircraft Artillery) pieces surrounding it. What peaceful "nuclear" facility needs to be guarded?

    Pfffff cut and paste wisdom.

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      Re: Nuclear Technology sold to India?

      It wouldn't surprise me that if we allow India to buy our technology without having to sign the nonproliferation agreement (meaning they don't have to give up their WMDs, which apparently would be the first time ever), that one of these days there will be a nuclear war between Pakistan and India with China also getting involved...of course, if THAT happens, then WE have to get involved.

      Everyone knows that the real reason the White House wants this deal to go through is for the potential of our multinational corporations to score big time for its shareholders. India already has made substantial economic gains for its people, to the detriment of our high tech industry in this country; with this legislation we will have the Indian equivalents of Halliburton shipping more of our money overseas, too.

      Miulang
      "Americans believe in three freedoms. Freedom of speech; freedom of religion; and the freedom to deny the other two to folks they don`t like.” --Mark Twain

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        Re: Nuclear Technology sold to India?

        Originally posted by Miulang
        It wouldn't surprise me that if we allow India to buy our technology without having to sign the nonproliferation agreement (meaning they don't have to give up their WMDs, which apparently would be the first time ever), that one of these days there will be a nuclear war between Pakistan and India with China also getting involved...of course, if THAT happens, then WE have to get involved.

        Everyone knows that the real reason the White House wants this deal to go through is for the potential of our multinational corporations to score big time for its shareholders. India already has made substantial economic gains for its people, to the detriment of our high tech industry in this country; with this legislation we will have the Indian equivalents of Halliburton shipping more of our money overseas, too.

        Miulang
        I agree with a huge portion of your statement about the outsourcing of jobs. Moves by coorperations like that only hurt our overall economy and it drives the gap between the poor and the rich even further apart.... It makes me sick to think about it...

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        • #5
          Re: Nuclear Technology sold to India?

          Originally posted by chriscollado
          Ok... how to simplify this.....

          There is someone that lives down the street from you. They hate your guts and hold regular meetings about how you are the great satan and wish death for you.

          You have another neighbor down the street that is your friend .. They ask for your tools wouldn't you give it to them too? If this tool was freely given to the neighbor that hates you they could rebuild it into something that can kill you and your whole family, would you give it to them? Especially when they kidnapped some of your family members in the past and held them for almost 2 years?
          The sad thing about it is, if you lend your "good" neighbor those tools, who's to say that they won't use it against that "bad" neighbor of yours (and you get caught in the crossfire)? America, bless its good hearted citizens, has time and time again reached out to help other countries (always with the unstated motive of its Administration of exploiting a country and filling the coffers of their multinational corporations with profits) and time and time again, when their governments change to ones whose ideology or policies we don't like (even if it was a "democratic" process that brought about the changes), we spend millions of dollars (and send "consultants" who are really Christians in Action operatives) to arm their opponents to try to bring about "regime change" to make those countries look and act more like us. Most of the time, this ploy has bitten us in the okole eventually...in the very recent past (like since the 1950s) you can look at Chile, Cuba, Venezuela, Iran and some of the Balkan States for examples.

          "Democracy" per se is not one-size-fits all, contrary to what the government wants us to believe when they say they have to support the "good" side. Some countries have done amazingly well with "Socialism" as far as taking care of their own people.

          The problem for the entire world is nuclear arms proliferation, period. We still have thousands of warheads in western Europe which no doubt are still aimed at Russia, and some probably aimed at the Middle East (the better to protect our Israeli friends). Russia and its new countries have their own arsenals.

          What nation states like India, Pakistan and North Korea can do with their warheads is nothing compared to the overkill capability the US and the former USSR still have. Both the US and Russia still have the capability of blowing up the entire world. Will we or Russia ever totally disarm? Hell no. Why is it fair for us and Russia to be able to blow the world up many times, and yet we get grumpy when countries like North Korea and Pakistan and India have one or two warheads(to defend themselves against aggressive neighbors)?

          I say if one country can have nuclear arms, let 'em all have nuclear warheads and then see who plays chicken. I'm pretty sure that the world won't be blown out of existence if every country's leader knew they could be blown up just as easily as they could blow up to some other country if they press that button. Outside of the argument that the US has to have nuclear warheads to protect its allies, I have never heard a good enough reason for only us and Russia to have that capability. How does the world know that maybe someday some megalomaniac won't be elected as President of this country and decides to invoke the nuclear option as a pre-emptive measure?

          Miulang
          Last edited by Miulang; July 4, 2006, 04:57 PM.
          "Americans believe in three freedoms. Freedom of speech; freedom of religion; and the freedom to deny the other two to folks they don`t like.” --Mark Twain

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