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Originally posted by Leo Lakio View Post
Just as the more left-leaning posters run the gamut from strongly liberal/progressive to just slightly left-of-center, there are many HT’ers who tend to fall more often to the right side of the spectrum to one degree or another. Amongst the ones who come to mind right away (and I know I am missing several others) are Mel, TimKona, Bobinator, Nobunaga, Walkoff Balk, Konaguy, Scrivener, CraigWatanabe, Sansei, NachoDaddy, Escondido100 and BJD392. There’s no dearth of conservative opinion expressed here.
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Originally posted by matapule View Post[...]The city in question didn't by executing a flawed contract....
There - nobody's happy!
I don't know if that is a Left or Right solution!to get us back on topic.
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Originally posted by tutusue View PostIf he's unable to pay his electricity bill then the electricity is cut off. So much for food safety. Ditto for his phone and internet which could be so necessary to help him find a job. If he misses enough car payments his car is repossessed making job hunting and trips to the doctor for his children that much more difficult. Miss enough mortgage payments and...foreclosure. Miss enough rent payments and...eviction.
Do you know if the privately contracted fire dept. stood by to assist those homeowners in case the fire spread?
Care to share your "mutually agreeable solution"?!
Our solution:
1. The private fire contractor should be contracted to respond to all fires, whether the account is up to date or not.
2. The fire contractor should take whatever means is legally available to them to collect accounts receivable (e.g. small claims court)
3. The city should pay for the cost of the response provided by the contractor to that specific fire if the account is in arrears. The city can then lien the property for the cost of that service just like they do for property tax due.
4. When and if the account is made current plus penalties, the private contractor reimburses the city for the cost of that response and the city removes the lien.
5. The home owner will be resposnsible for any past due accounts and liens (plus interest and penalties) at the time he sells his property.
There - nobody's happy!I don't know if that is a Left or Right solution!
to get us back on topic.
Last edited by matapule; November 7, 2010, 01:26 PM.
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Originally posted by matapule View PostI don't agree Tutu. I don't know which thread to post this response.
The home owner didn't pay because he lost his job! He was using his unemployment benefits to buy groceries for his family and make house payments, just to exist. Because of that, we are saying he deserved to have his house burn down? Because he is destitute? Because he is down on his luck? There but for the grace of god go I and all the rest of us too!
Uaifi and matapule went round and round about this for an hour. We finally arrived at a mutually agreeable solution that would not please any of the parties involved.
Blessed Be, all of us.
In the fire scenario, what impressed me the most was the danger his paid-in-full neighbors were exposed to. Do you know if the privately contracted fire dept. stood by to assist those homeowners in case the fire spread? Or did that fire dept. refuse to leave the station? With a fire dept. funded by taxpayers, the gentleman's house stood a chance of being saved, regardless of his job loss.
And, I agree, I don't know if this belongs in this thread except it shows how fast life can spiral out of control. Government is necessary.
Care to share your "mutually agreeable solution"?!
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Hummm....
I'm more into anarchy than Gandhi and Mandela, pretty even with the Dali Lama in that, but over farther to the right than he is.Attached Files
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Originally posted by tutusue View PostWhile I don't mind the private fire dept. not responding to a fire at the home of a delinquent account,
The home owner didn't pay because he lost his job! He was using his unemployment benefits to buy groceries for his family and make house payments, just to exist. Because of that, we are saying he deserved to have his house burn down? Because he is destitute? Because he is down on his luck? There but for the grace of god go I and all the rest of us too!
Uaifi and matapule went round and round about this for an hour. We finally arrived at a mutually agreeable solution that would not please any of the parties involved.
Blessed Be, all of us.
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Originally posted by tutusue View PostThe biggest problem I found with no AOAO/HOA was exterior maintenance.
I'm still waiting for Kaonohi to respond to your questions. Since he doesn't want any rules, I wonder if he would volunteer for the neighborhood poop patrol. I wonder how he would feel about rules if he had to go out everyday and cleanup the neighbor's dog !@#%?
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Originally posted by matapule View PostWe like condo living with an HOA for the same reasons you do. It is not perfect, but better than the alternatives. No rules/no regulations = anarchy. [...]
I do have a problem with privatizing certain services with this post by matapule in another thread as an example. While I don't mind the private fire dept. not responding to a fire at the home of a delinquent account, my concern is for the neighbors.
I can't imagine a government like that, at any level. Oh wait, that wouldn't be a government at all. As you mentioned...anarchy.
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Originally posted by tutusue View PostI know what it's like to live in a townhouse project that had no association of apartment
BTW, good questions for Kaonohi. I eargerly await his answers.
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Originally posted by Kaonohi View Post[...]
I like Freedom, and I want to keep it. - Or at least get it back - we have lost too much.
I never, ever felt I would like living in a multi-unit building (condo or townhouse). Then, about 20 years ago, it made sense to be able to lock one door and walk away for extended visits to the mainland without having to worry about exterior upkeep and multiple entry points for potential pilferers. The multiple-unit way of life comes with a large set of rules (both house rules and by-laws) that many residents (owners & tenants) grumble about and consider a loss of freedom. I know what it's like to live in a townhouse project that had no association of apartment owners (AOAO), therefore no rules. OMG!Condo living is a mini-government (board of directors enforced) that's within a C&C government that's within a state government that's within a federal government. We need to have rules/laws because we're human beings with all of our warts and quirks.
That anecdote leads me to curious but serious questions with respectful intentions, for you, Kaonohi...
What freedoms have we lost that are important to you?
What freedoms have we lost that you feel are important to our society as a whole?
When did we lose these freedoms?
What current freedoms do you feel are in jeopardy?
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Originally posted by matapule View PostThe Bagger Anthem!
At your dinner, I would have been curious to hear the former Calgarian's take on how a parliamentary system would work in the U.S. I've long thought that such a structure would permit more voices to be represented in legislative discussions, from a wider value range. People with opposing perspectives on one set of issues sometimes find themselves more open to compromise on others.
Yet the Canadian system has shown major, major flaws in recent years as well. Despite the perception of civility regarding our northern neighbors, their politicians can be as cutting and insulting as our own, and the party presently in power (the Canadian equivalent to the GOP) is as manipulative as any American one. Even with a Parliament, they basically have only two strong national parties, with names even more obvious regarding their places on the spectrum (Liberal and Conservative parties); the other parties that ever make any inroads include the NDP (more like the American Green Party, even though there is a Green Party in Canada) and the Bloc Québécois (one of their tenets is the separation of the province of Québéc, to be a nation outside of Canada).
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Originally posted by Kaonohi View PostThat's what bugs me about the "two-party system," we get programmed into thinking there are only two parties
Because we perceive our rights are being eroded by Democratic parentalism.
especially if the UN trashes our second amendment like they plan.
I like Freedom, and I want to keep it. - Or at least get it back - we have lost too much.
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Originally posted by tutusue View PostTrue story...
My dad, a diehard Eisenhower fan, did not align with either party. While registering for the 1952 primary he refused to register with either party, stating he wasn't partial to either one. In order to vote he had to register as one or the other.
I believe that most of our history in the USA saw more than two parties at one time, and that the Republicans and Democrats were actually part of a single party! (Read it and weep!)
Are we being snowed? Of course. It's LONG overdue time to expand the number of parties so our views can be adequately addressed. The strongest, and growing, 'third' party is the Libertarians - why? Because we perceive our rights are being eroded by Democratic parentalism.
I don't register with my party, I register as the opposition party so I can vote in their primaries. By selecting the least-viable candidate, I try to block their plans. It does no good, but it feels good.
I feel I am neither left nor right, but what do I know? I just believe in Liberty, Equality and Fraternity. Time for another Revolution... we missed our chance with Good King George W., but it is coming. Pray it is peaceful, for I fear it won't be, especially if the UN trashes our second amendment like they plan.
I like Freedom, and I want to keep it. - Or at least get it back - we have lost too much.
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Originally posted by bjd392 View PostBut to say you don't watch or read leads me to believe either the sources are hearsay, the non-participant really doesn't know what's going on, or you've got to be some genius with an implanted chip in your brain who is all-knowing and all powerful (but would rather complain about stuff than fix it).
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