Hawaii Crime Watch

[LikaNui]

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As soon as we work everything out your questions will be answered either in this forum or on our site. Thanks again HawaiiThreads!
HCW Team

Well, that was a month ago and I just checked their website, out of curiosity. Still nothing there except a "coming soon" announcement.

[LikaNui]

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I see your point, but I still think it was overkill considering the circumstances. I don't think you were the only person here to go looking for more information on the domain registrant (in fact, I know you weren't). The difference is, you felt compelled to post it. A TRO filing, six years ago and quietly expired, in and of itself is not proof of a questionable character. And only marginally relevant.
We can give everyone we meet the first degree, do a full background and credit check, and even respectfully request a drug test. But we use our judgement to determine just how far we should go. Clearly you felt you were in the right, but I hope in the future you'll keep the overall spirit tenor of this admittedly diverse community in mind before pulling out the big guns.

Okay, I'd just like to clarify something. In Ryan's post (message #62) he quoted me and responded to that, then he quoted Grunchley (but without noting that the response was to a different person) and wrote the two paragraphs above. Those were aimed at Grunchley, not at LikaNui.
Carry on.

[lurkah]

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do a search and see for yerself.

Thanks, that was interesting. Too bad the thread ended the way it did: "This topic is temporarily suspended. Too many off-topic posts."

[kimo55]

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[INDENT] So would it be safe to assume that "The Dog" got processed through the "HT Meatgrinder" as well?

do a search and see for yerself.

[lurkah]

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Doing well for one's self financially, or living in a "nice neighborhood," does not equal "good person."

That's true, but I think you know that the example I was going for was he's come quite a ways from being locked up behind bars -- an accomplishment that any felon should be able to be proud of, and should not have to feel any lesser than the next man if he's got his head back on straight and his heart is truly in the right place. They say that, "Time will tell," and so far, he seems to be doing his time better than a lot of us.

Ironic that you'd cite Duane "Dog" Chapman as a positive example, considering some of the past... colorful threads we've had here focused around the man.

Oh. So would it be safe to assume that "The Dog" got processed through the "HT Meatgrinder" as well?

[pzarquon]

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From watching his TV show here on the mainland, it looks like his house is located somewhere in the wealthy Kahala area.

Doing well for one's self financially, or living in a "nice neighborhood," does not equal "good person." Ironic that you'd cite Duane "Dog" Chapman as a positive example, considering some of the past... colorful threads we've had here focused around the man.

[kimo55]

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Hah?

read it a few times. it will soon become clear.

[kimo55]

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In other words, maybe can try look and listen first before letting any preconceived ideas we might have blind us to what's really there.

word, bruthah.

[lurkah]

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If an individual were to form a neighborhood watch group in my neighborhood, I'd want to make sure he or she wasn't a felon or sex offender.

I'm not so sure we should toss all felons in the opala heap just because they're felons, especially if they did their time and had the guts and determination to turn themselves around against all odds to become caring and productive citizens again. People can change. I've seen it. If you don't give them a chance to prove themselves, then what's the point? We all make mistakes. It's part of being human.

This felon seems to be doing pretty well for himself and his 'ohana...

From watching his TV show here on the mainland, it looks like his house is located somewhere in the wealthy Kahala area.

[pzarquon]

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Okay, Ryan, I'm a little unclear on the comment above.

Sorry about that. I started the sentence with "they are two different things" in mind, but by the time I got halfway in, I forgot my point. It's not the first time. Sorry for the confusion!

My intention wasn't at all to be mean spirited, it was to address the credibility of the person operating the site.

Whatever your intention, if the public WHOIS information was redacted out of courtesy to the poster, I think it would've been obvious that posting a court record would have been received poorly.

I see your point, but I still think it was overkill considering the circumstances. I don't think you were the only person here to go looking for more information on the domain registrant (in fact, I know you weren't). The difference is, you felt compelled to post it. A TRO filing, six years ago and quietly expired, in and of itself is not proof of a questionable character. And only marginally relevant.

We can give everyone we meet the first degree, do a full background and credit check, and even respectfully request a drug test. But we use our judgement to determine just how far we should go. Clearly you felt you were in the right, but I hope in the future you'll keep the overall spirit tenor of this admittedly diverse community in mind before pulling out the big guns.

[grunchley]

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Grunchley's post certainly seemed below the belt and it did seem mean-spirited, but it wasn't entirely out of place;

My intention wasn't at all to be mean spirited, it was to address the credibility of the person operating the site. It seems to me that if you operate a website that proclaims to act as a neighborhood watch, the credibility of those in charge should be questioned and addressed.

If an individual were to form a neighborhood watch group in my neighborhood, I'd want to make sure he or she wasn't a felon or sex offender.

[LikaNui]

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Wow this thread did generate a whole lot of responses - sorry about that.

No need to apologize. The forum is here to generate questions and responses!
You've been very kind (and wise) in not taking some of the responses personally. In any internet group there will always be a few whose manners are less than desirable. Best to ignore them, as you've done. There's a lot of "thread drift" going on here, so just skip over the personality clashes and focus on the comments that you find helpful.

I almost regret posting it here but hey if I didn't I wouldn't get all those very smart questions and issues we (The HCW Team) have to deal with.

Believe me, most of us here hope that what you're trying to do is legitimate and will be of some help! No regrets. Keep plugging away and if your project is righteous then most of us will support it to the max.

[LikaNui]

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But asking legitimate questions about a web project and posting court records about the domain registrant -- however public and official that information is -- still crosses the line between being suspicious and being mean.

Okay, Ryan, I'm a little unclear on the comment above. I presume you meant it's okay to ask legitimate questions (like mine here earlier, presumably) but that the TRO posting crossed the line? Or are you saying that asking legitimate questions also crosses the line?
Just a little clarification, please.

[pzarquon]

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I can see Glen's point, insofar as we rightfully treat with some skepticism anyone who registers and posts a first message that is promotional in nature. Most of the time, we hear nothing from them again -- at least in this case, HCW has made some effort to reply.

But asking legitimate questions about a web project and posting court records about the domain registrant -- however public and official that information is -- still crosses the line between being suspicious and being mean. Part of me thinks its ironic that at the same time we've decried the possibility of "vigilante justice" being mindlessly propogated by the web site in question, someone here has actually gone down that road.

There are some fora online where chaos reigns supreme, where it's dog-eat-dog and where it's every geek for himself. Like Lurkah, I'd like to think this is not one of those places. There are plenty of back alleys where you can prowl if you're looking for trouble. Let HawaiiThreads.com be more like your auntie's spacious lanai. There's some funny looks and the occasional barb, but I hope we don't make a habit of tarring and feathering everyone who walks up the front steps.

[lurkah]

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...let me uh... 'assume' where yer goin with this, and let me say this, about that:
a diversity of opinions and perspectives as well as equally diverse ways of expressing them is not usually looked upon as a universally reviled thing; in fact is quite welcome in some thinking circles....
To generate a distilled forum wherein everyone talks the same and agrees on everything and where there is no exchange of ideas, no challenging of the status quo, or even dissecting of non thought out firm-held common believes or ideas... . that' ain't good or healthy for children and other living things.

Hah?

No, I don't think that HawaiiThreads.com is a petrie dish that contains only good germs. Get good germs, bad germs, big germs, small germs, get anykine germs that make up the contents of the petrie dish. But unless given obvious reasons to spray disinfectant, I personally wouldn't try to sterilize the petrie dish without first checking the bad germs out. They haven't hurt me because they're still in the petrie dish, and they might not be bad at all upon closer inspection. And if they are, then they can be exposed, irradicated and dealt with while still being contained within da petrie dish. In other words, maybe can try look and listen first before letting any preconceived ideas we might have blind us to what's really there.