small newspapers

[pzarquon]

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This is not a 'tiser vs bulletin statement, because I work for neither paper. It's just factual numbers.

Intereseting. Thanks for that, Media Guy. Arbitrary as it may be, it's always good to have some quantifiable measure of what makes a "small newspaper." Of course, with a threshold of 75,000 circulation, just about every newspaper in Hawaii save the Advertiser is "small."

One question, though. The numbers for the Star-Bulletin, are those from the ASNE survey, or the ABC? I recall reading that the Star-Bulletin didn't report to the ABC, or at least in some manner that prompted its competitors to discount its claimed figures. Was this or is this no longer the case?

It's been 12 years since i graduated, and I was an older non-trad student back then. Maybe it's different now.

I think it's very different. I owe some of the best times of my life to Ka Leo, and some of the worst, but whatever it was, it isn't now. It's a perfectly fine newsletter, but calling it a newspaper hasn't felt right for a while.

Oh, and it looks like they're redeveloping their website. Didn't even notice they were gone!

[Media Guy]

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Using data from Editor & Publisher, a respected industry trade, and utilizing the bylaws of the Audit Bureau of Circulations (ABC) & survey numbers from a 2006 report from the American Society of Newspaper Editors (ASNE), I go back to my original point that newspaper size (large or small) is determined by circulation numbers.

Advertiser; "in circulation, this newspaper's average weekday circulation of approximately 141,341 ranks 77 out of 1,410 daily newspapers in the US."

Star Bulletin "in circulation, this newspaper's average weekday circulation of approximately 64,305 ranks 159 out of 1,410 daily newspapers in the US."

This is not a 'tiser vs bulletin statement, because I work for neither paper. It's just factual numbers.

Secondly, here's a portion of a statement from Diane McFarlin, the president of the American Society of Newspaper Editors at a ASNE lucheon; "Thank you so much for coming today. Small newspapers are a very important part of ASNE’s membership. Editors from newspapers under 75,000 circulation make up a third of our membership. Your importance to this organization is something that we’ve only recently become as aware of as we should have, and in the last few years, we have been working hard to enhance the value of membership to small newspapers." [/B]
http://www.asne.org/index.cfm?ID=5616

[lavagal]

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I would say this statement demonstrates an ignorance of what’s going on in Honolulu. Ka Leo O Hawai‘i (the student newspaper of UH) is published on a daily basis. Does that mean that these kids are supposed to compete with the big boys?

Ironically, even if the answer is no, they are being FORCED to compete with the big boys because of the Honolulu Advertiser and Honolulu Star-Bulletin’s shady practice of dumping free copies of their publication at the UHM Student Housing dormitory lobbies.

I don't know about that. When I was at Ka Leo, no doubt we wanted to break news that was happening on campus. Despite being smaller, we were THERE, and were able to get elements the further removed daily newspaper reporters couldn't. When we worked at Ka Leo, you can bet we wanted the dailies to notice our stories, in hopes of scoring an internship and eventually a job.
Did I ever think we were competing with the dailies as a publication? No. If I lived on campus, I'd read the freebie dailies if they were dumped on my doorstep. I never expected, nor do I think anyone living on campus expects, that Ka Leo could provide all the information they need. Even if all you wanna read is One Big Happy and the obits, there's something a daily could provide you. Even if you wanted to see what Nadine Kam is recommending, Ka Leo doesn't really do weekly restaurant reviews (or does it?). Long's advetisement? I'm thinking a paper beyond Ka Leo. I just don't see Ka Leo even wanting to provide me with business news beyond the MBA program or what the UH Foundation is up to. Does even want to?
It's been 12 years since i graduated, and I was an older non-trad student back then. Maybe it's different now.

[Leo Lakio]

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Ka Leo O Hawai‘i (the student newspaper of UH) is published on a daily basis.

Including Saturday & Sunday? All year around? (Seriously - I don't know.) If not, then they are not technically a "daily" paper, assuming that definition to mean every single day of the entire year.

Can one of the HT participants presently working for a paper look into the circulation bureau's definitions of large/small/daily/whatever newspapers, and perhaps we can accept them as a definitive industry-accepted answer?

[TuNnL]

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When I was in J-school, the definition of "small" newspaper meant one that was not published on a daily basis, so that would include any community newspapers that published less than daily. In Honolulu, that might mean Midweek, the Sun, and others.

I would say this statement demonstrates an ignorance of what’s going on in Honolulu. Ka Leo O Hawai‘i (the student newspaper of UH) is published on a daily basis. Does that mean that these kids are supposed to compete with the big boys?

Ironically, even if the answer is no, they are being FORCED to compete with the big boys because of the Honolulu Advertiser and Honolulu Star-Bulletin’s shady practice of dumping free copies of their publication at the UHM Student Housing dormitory lobbies.

[buzz1941]

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The underground paper at Radford High School was The Radford Lye ("Good clean news!") and the underground paper at Leeward Comm College was Ka Lua O Hawaii

[GeckoGeek]

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Must be one of those rites of passage. I know some classmates that did an unauthorized rag in HS. Didn't take a brainiac to figure out who was behind it.

Wonder what the kids do now? Blog it probably.

[mel]

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Back in the day some people at my high school published a little rag on mimeographed paper called "Da Radical." It was very critical of things going on in our school back then. It lasted about 3 or 4 issues before disappearing.

[Erika Engle]

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... and what does that film/the current state of this thread, have to do with small newspapers?

A group of irreverent friends and I published -- I think it was two issues -- while in high school.

I don't think it could really be considered a newspaper. It was handwritten, with all our input (some of the team members were geeky-but-really-funny-types) ... and posted on a bulletin board. More like "The Onion" than Ka Leo.

[craigwatanabe]

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so what did that video have anything to do with potatoes?

[tutusue]

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Maddie? I didn't know you could...sing!

[Erika Engle]

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That was an incredible piece of film! My back hurts, my legs hurt ... oh my gosh.

Bringing the concept of limber to new heights.

[craigwatanabe]

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Cloning? Wow...

My back hurts after watching that one.

[craigwatanabe]

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Oh...and let's not forget the military papers; the Hawaii Marine, Army Star, Hickam Kukini & the Navy Times

then there's L&L's take out menu

[Media Guy]

Re: small newspapers

Oh...and let's not forget the military papers; the Hawaii Marine, Army Star, Hickam Kukini & the Navy Times