Gun Control

[matapule]

Re: Gun Control

Shouldn't you just include this in your signature at this point, right along side of

If you don't have something substantive to add, then the best you can do is respond with sarcasm.

STRICT GUN CONTROL NOW!

[TATTRAT]

Re: Gun Control

STRICT GUN CONTROL NOW!

Shouldn't you just include this in your signature at this point, right along side of

People who form FIRM opinions with so little knowledge only pretend to be open-minded. They select their facts like food from a buffet. David R. Dow

[Ron Whitfield]

Re: Gun Control

Data and statistics from law enforcement agencies say that you are completely wrong...........but that wouldn't be the first time.

I want protection from "law abiding" gun nuts and right now the terrorist organization NRA and their gun nut members don't give me that choice.

Bull, homicidal maniacs win way more than the unsuspecting and unarmed innocents, please don't bend stats to win your futile argument.

Give me the terror of law abiding gun nuts and the according choices to what we have increasingly now any day. Yet you want to take that choice away from others...

[Kaonohi]

Re: Gun Control

You argue with Ron, but have no response to my legal statements.

You ignore the truth, but banter with opinions.

People who form FIRM opinions with so little knowledge only pretend to be open-minded. They select their facts like food from a buffet. David R. Dow

[matapule]

Re: Gun Control

Then you die because there is no time to cooperate or try reasoning with the homicidal maniac in question.

Data and statistics from law enforcement agencies say that you are completely wrong...........but that wouldn't be the first time.

I want protection from "law abiding" gun nuts and right now the terrorist organization NRA and their gun nut members don't give me that choice.

STRICT GUN CONTROL NOW!

[Ron Whitfield]

Re: Gun Control

What do I do? I do as the police told me to do

Then you die because there is no time to cooperate or try reasoning with the homicidal maniac in question. And that's why we'll continue going in circles here because I want people to have the choice to arm themselves to their satisfaction of defense in midst of an insane world and some wish to keep lawful citizens at unreasonable risk.

[Kaonohi]

Political Mind Control from the peanut gallery

Obviously misinformed Matapule:

what does this have to do with Second Amendment right to form a militia anyway?

http://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/second_amendment

The Second Amendment of the United States Constitution reads: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
(Emphasis mine)

Oh yes, militia:

U.S. Code › Title 10 › Subtitle A › Part I › Chapter 13 › § 311
10 U.S. Code § 311 - Militia: composition and classes
Current through Pub. Law 113-108.

The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.

That's many if not most of us. And it's a law, not an opinion.

By law: the militia is defined as able-bodied males of appropriate age who are or intend to become citizens, and whose "right" to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

Infringed, from the Merriam-Webster dictionary:

in·fringe verb \in-ˈfrinj\
: to do something that does not obey or follow (a rule, law, etc.) ( chiefly US )
: to wrongly limit or restrict (something, such as another person's rights)

Matapule signs out:

People who form FIRM opinions with so little knowledge only pretend to be open-minded. They select their facts like food from a buffet. David R. Dow

This fits his condition well: he has formed FIRM opinions with little knowledge.

It's the law of the land. You have three choices, leave, or try to change it through the proper channels. Or be a traitor.

[matapule]

Re: Gun Control

I didn't say there were none, but the pie to die for chart shows the massive Pizza The Hut slice goes to unprotected gun deaths vs the NY slice for those dying while armed. You don't even have to be paying attention to know that.

What on earth are you talking about? Oh, never mind.

I said knife to make it in your favor, so insert whatever firearm you choose into the intruder's hands, and you do what?

What do I do? I do as the police told me to do if confronted by a person with a weapon of any kind.........

1. comply with their every demand
2. don't give them any attitude or lip
3. don't try to be a (dead) hero
4. stay calm and try to remember as many details as possible

The last thing I want to do is get into a shoot out with an obvious gun nut. And what does this have to do with Second Amendment right to form a militia anyway?

Last month my daughter was on holiday in Lima, Peru. They (2 Americans and 4 Peruvians) were confronted by two gun wielding assailants at a Peruvian's private residence. They all were robbed at gun point. The robbers got about US$2000 worth of stuff - smart phones, cameras, watches, and costume jewelry (they were preparing to go to a 100th birthday party). They all followed the four principles above. No one was harmed. It was an unpleasant experience but no one died. It had a good ending. The items have all been replaced. We wonder if the good outcome would have been the same had the victims been armed like the gun nuts in the U.S.?

I thought you were done with this thread. Second wind?

STRICT GUN CONTROL NOW!

[Ron Whitfield]

Re: Gun Control

Care to give any links proving your statement is true, or is it just wishful thinking on your part? Actually, one legally armed person was killed by "crazies" murderers in Las Vegas this week! That "self defense" scenario didn't work out as planned by the terrorist organization NRA and their gun nut supporters.

In addition, you are changing the parameters to "knife wielding.".

I didn't say there were none, but the pie to die for chart shows the massive Pizza The Hut slice goes to unprotected gun deaths vs the NY slice for those dying while armed. You don't even have to be paying attention to know that.

I said knife to make it in your favor, so insert whatever firearm you choose into the intruder's hands, and you do what?

[matapule]

Re: Gun Control

Such situations are occurring daily and the death toll of the defenseless is mounting, not too many legally armed 'crazies' dying at the hands of murderers tho.

Care to give any links proving your statement is true, or is it just wishful thinking on your part? Actually, one legally armed person was killed by "crazies" murderers in Las Vegas this week! That "self defense" scenario didn't work out as planned by the terrorist organization NRA and their gun nut supporters.

In addition, you are changing the parameters to "knife wielding." Let's stick to gun violence on this thread. If you want to talk about knife violence, start a new thread, please.

STRICT GUN CONTROL NOW!

[Ron Whitfield]

Re: Gun Control

A blade wielding madman bursts into your home and instantly confronts everyone with injury and worse, leaving you to protect your family in what way since you don't have a weapon of immediate defense handy?

Such situations are occurring daily and the death toll of the defenseless is mounting, not too many legally armed 'crazies' dying at the hands of murderers tho.

[Kaonohi]

Re: Gun Control

Oh, Matapule, certainly your heart is in the right place.

Vote to support the U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

If you can figure out a way to control illegal shootings without being a traitor to the U.S. Constitution, I'm with you.

[matapule]

Re: Gun Control

"Since the 2012 shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut, there have been an average of 1.37 school shootings for each school week, according to data maintained by Everytown for Gun Safety, a group fighting to end gun violence.Including Tuesday's incident at a high school in Troutdale, Oregon, 74 school shootings have taken place in the approximately 18 months since the Dec. 14, 2012, Newtown shooting."

Well, wouldn't you know it! CNN investigated the quote above and they rated it as false. CNN says that there were ONLY 15 school shooting incidents over that 18 months. Hey that is good news, ONLY approximately one a month!!!!! But CNN did not count shootings resulting from arguments, suicides, and gang related to get to their 15 number. That's comforting that we ONLY had 15 shootings resulting from random shooters.

This is how much of the media is pandering to the terrorist organization NRA and their gun nut members. A school shooting is a school shooting regardless of the circumstances. And the quote above is correct, there were 74 school shootings in the last 18 months. Shame on CNN.

Silence on this subject implies acquiescence. Vote out the craven politicians who support the terrorist organization NRA and their gun nut members.

STRICT GUN CONTROL NOW!

[Walkoff Balk]

Re: Gun Control

Unfortunately, the only thing that can stop school shootings is summer vacation.

[Kaonohi]

Re: Gun Control

People who form FIRM opinions with so little knowledge only pretend to be open-minded. They select their facts like food from a buffet. David R. Dow

Sounds to me like Matapule.