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  • #61
    Re: Molokai Ranch closing operations

    Originally posted by joshuatree View Post
    Well 68-eldo does have a point. Perhaps people use the defense that a certain place is sacred one too many times? Because if everything is sacred, then everything's not very sacred to begin with.
    I completely disagree. In this case that area has a lot cultural significance and is indeed sacred (to me). When I flew into Molokai, I felt the mana of the land. I could completely understand why people are opposed to developing La'au. Up to 200 McMansions would've permanently and irreversibly changed
    that area and Molokai forever.

    So Tim, is that a good enough answer for you ?
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    • #62
      Re: Molokai Ranch closing operations

      Hey Craig, Laau is on the southwestern part of Molokai. So if it's good enough for rich folk, why is it not good enough to set aside for public trust?

      This just reenforces my point about Laau being marginal land in the first place.

      Konaguy, your answer was very similar to arguments I've heard against Hokulia. Have you changed your tune? Or playing the middle?

      Do you really think OHA would swap some of their land for west Molokai? And how much has OHA actually helped any Hawaiians? That is as big a scam as KSBE in the islands, but nary a single Hawaiian would speak up against it.
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      • #63
        Re: Molokai Ranch closing operations

        My views on Hokulia are completely separate from La'au. I was angry that Judge Ibarra enjoined Hokulia AFTER investors spent 350 million on the project, blocked landowners from building their homes, and blocked completion of the
        Hokulia bypass road.

        La'au on the other hand is a completely different situation. La'au has not been developed. It is still a pristine, sacred, culturally significant area. Lands like this
        should remain open space forever.
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        • #64
          Re: Molokai Ranch closing operations

          Yes the land on western Molokai is marginal land. But that really isn't the point.
          I'm sure if MRP tried to develop up to 200 McMansions somewhere else on the
          island there would be equal opposition.Building that many houses would dramatically negatively change the socio-economic fabric of Molokai.
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          • #65
            Re: Molokai Ranch closing operations

            Originally posted by timkona View Post
            Hey Craig, Laau is on the southwestern part of Molokai. So if it's good enough for rich folk, why is it not good enough to set aside for public trust?

            This just reenforces my point about Laau being marginal land in the first place.
            It should be set aside as a public trust. Remember when it comes to pristine lands on Molokai, Laau is about as good as it gets for West Molokai.

            This is why I think Walter Ritte should go that route instead of activism to the level he's taken it.
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            • #66
              Re: Molokai Ranch closing operations

              Originally posted by timkona View Post
              Nothing on Molokai is affordable to people who have no income. What???? You expect the government to give the money for folks to build or buy a home? Or maybe just cut some palm fronds and chiave trees and build a thatch hut?

              Don't you fn get it????? So ignorant.

              I will hammer this thread until admin gets tired. Or any liberal fesses up to the fact that they subscribe to, and believe in, a totally stupid way of thinking.
              Molokaʻi residents voted for Bush and pray for their soldiers.
              Have a higher % of residents who love God and put family first.
              Resist change in a mighty way.
              Are happiest when they farm, fish and hunt.
              Hardly qualify as a liberal community.

              Originally posted by joshuatree View Post
              Well 68-eldo does have a point. Perhaps people use the defense that a certain place is sacred one too many times? Because if everything is sacred, then everything's not very sacred to begin with.

              I guess I'm just activism fatigued. Have these people suggested anything else that MK could do or did they just simply c*ck blocked every thing MK tried to do? If it's the latter, I think the activists have destroyed Molokai's livelihood.
              To put this in perspective:
              MK ranch owns 1/3 of the isle.
              It employed 1.5% of the isle's residents, reserving the highest paying jobs for flown-in help.

              "Fatigue caused by activism" isn't warranted here. That company has the west end by the balls. We aren't talking Anaheim here where one Mouse owns everything in the neighborhood, but you can get on the freeway and commute to a different job. This showdown was bound to happen.

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              • #67
                Re: Molokai Ranch closing operations

                Originally posted by craigwatanabe View Post
                It should be set aside as a public trust. Remember when it comes to pristine lands on Molokai, Laau is about as good as it gets for West Molokai.

                This is why I think Walter Ritte should go that route instead of activism to the level he's taken it.
                Problem is, I don't think he can trust Colette Machado, OHA trustee in favor of the Master Plan, who just so happens to be President of Moloka'i Land Trust.
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                • #68
                  Re: Molokai Ranch closing operations

                  Originally posted by timkona View Post
                  Hey Random, I've no problem with a wind farm. Did I say that? But what the hey is a "working cultural village"? Or just avoid the question.
                  Okay. Consider avoided.
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                  • #69
                    Re: Molokai Ranch closing operations

                    Originally posted by Pua'i Mana'o View Post
                    "Fatigue caused by activism" isn't warranted here. That company has the west end by the balls. We aren't talking Anaheim here where one Mouse owns everything in the neighborhood, but you can get on the freeway and commute to a different job. This showdown was bound to happen.
                    But I ask again, what compromises were suggested by the activists? I tried looking for this info to better understand the situation but so far, haven't really found anything. I get the impression the activists simply said "my way or the highway"???

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                    • #70
                      Re: Molokai Ranch closing operations

                      Originally posted by joshuatree View Post
                      But I ask again, what compromises were suggested by the activists? I tried looking for this info to better understand the situation but so far, haven't really found anything. I get the impression the activists simply said "my way or the highway"???
                      Actually Molokai Ranch has taken more of that tact of "my way or the highway."
                      Even though Molokai Ranch was financially solvent (they made 12.7 million
                      profit off of land sales last year), they made the unilateral decision to cease operations.
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                      • #71
                        Re: Molokai Ranch closing operations

                        My question is what is Molokai's plans for the future of the island. They'll have to do something to bring money into the island to pay for the things they want.

                        As one resident indicated, "subsidence hunting won't pay my mortgage."

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                        • #72
                          Re: Molokai Ranch closing operations

                          Originally posted by Konaguy View Post
                          Actually Molokai Ranch has taken more of that tact of "my way or the highway."
                          Even though Molokai Ranch was financially solvent (they made 12.7 million
                          profit off of land sales last year), they made the unilateral decision to cease operations.
                          Because as a company, they no longer wish to bleed even though they can afford to bleed, that's considered "my way or the highway"? That interpretation is truly socialistic and autocratic.

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                          • #73
                            Re: Molokai Ranch closing operations

                            Originally posted by joshuatree View Post
                            Because as a company, they no longer wish to bleed even though they can afford to bleed, that's considered "my way or the highway"?
                            I've got no clues as to the details, but wasn't there some part of the operation that made money? Why wouldn't they keep that and shutdown the money looser? What was it that made it an "all or nothing" deal business-wise?

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                            • #74
                              Re: Molokai Ranch closing operations

                              Originally posted by joshuatree View Post
                              But I ask again, what compromises were suggested by the activists? I tried looking for this info to better understand the situation but so far, haven't really found anything. I get the impression the activists simply said "my way or the highway"???
                              *blink blink*

                              JT, look at the data again:

                              They own 1/3 of the island. They employ a mere 1.5% of the residents. Many of those "activists" are the employed families themselves. What were their compromises? Low wages and accepting them while realizing that the company holds title to the isle's throat. Not unionizing, nor "workman comping" the company dry. But doing their jobs and accepting their fate, as long as the MK made their profits and did their end to keep Moloka'i country.

                              pax

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                              • #75
                                Re: Molokai Ranch closing operations

                                Originally posted by joshuatree View Post
                                Because as a company, they no longer wish to bleed even though they can afford to bleed, that's considered "my way or the highway"? That interpretation is truly socialistic and autocratic.
                                Well I do find it awfully convenient that Molokai Ranch is shutting down operations shortly after their La'au point plans get stonewalled. On the surface it seems like its foreign owners are doing retribution against all the island residents.

                                To me its akin to a toddler who starts to cry when his toy is taken away.

                                On a related note, even up to 6 months ago Molokai Properties was cash positive.
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