The Politics of "NO"

[Leo Lakio]

Re: The Politics of "NO"

I say Screw the Kupuna

Whoo - that attitude ought to serve you well in Hawai`i.

Time to listen to the Educated Youth.

Can't argue with that, though - but ALL voices need to be heard, the aged and the young; hell, even the UNeducated youth can teach us something.

[timkona]

Re: The Politics of "NO"

The most recent episode in the politics of NO is the proposed sinking of the ship off the coast of Kona, in 90 feet of water, on a sandy bottom.

Would be good for the dive industry. Would certainly promote coral growth. Its likely some pollution would come from the vessel, even though it will be cleaned.

Many people showed up at the meeting with a chorus of NO.

[MadAzza]

Re: The Politics of "NO"

The most recent episode in the politics of NO is the proposed sinking of the ship off the coast of Kona, in 90 feet of water, on a sandy bottom.

Would be good for the dive industry. Would certainly promote coral growth. Its likely some pollution would come from the vessel, even though it will be cleaned.

Many people showed up at the meeting with a chorus of NO.

These are probably the same people who throw their cigarette butts out of their car windows.

[TuNnL]

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every traitor who opposes the continued growth of americas capitalistic might should be federally condemned. they would do worse to us and our children. i fear for a hawaii where fanatics can starve american ingenuity through subversive tactics. if they resist we should reinstate the martial laws we had during wwii.

This is really an extreme position to take. It’s healthy to have a minority viewpoint like yours to keep this forum balanced, I suppose. That being said, are you saying millions of Americans are traitors? There’s something un-American about imposing martial law on people for their views on economics. I thought this was the land of the free.

[sinjin]

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http://www.westhawaiitoday.com/artic...al/local01.txt

Suggesting that too few would benefit from the project is a point that needs addressing.

[timkona]

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"Suggesting that too few would benefit from the project is a point that needs addressing."

Very few people benefit from the milliion$$ spent on upgrading county and state facilities to ADA compliant status. But we do it anyway. To say that too few people would benefit is a strawman argument at best. The dive industry in Kona employs at least 500 people, prolly more, if you count all the retail and counter people, mechanics, dry-dock guys, trailer mfgrs, etc etc

I've never been on a wreck dive....i bet its real interesting !

[sinjin]

Re: The Politics of "NO"

"Suggesting that too few would benefit from the project is a point that needs addressing."

Very few people benefit from the milliion$$ spent on upgrading county and state facilities to ADA compliant status. But we do it anyway. To say that too few people would benefit is a strawman argument at best. The dive industry in Kona employs at least 500 people, prolly more, if you count all the retail and counter people, mechanics, dry-dock guys, trailer mfgrs, etc etc

I've never been on a wreck dive....i bet its real interesting !

You can argue that 500 people is not too few and that's fine. To compare the situation to ADA compliance seems apples to oranges to my mind. ADA is designed to guarantee access for citizens to institutions they already have a right to access. A private concern like the dive business doesn't have rights in the same way.

[timkona]

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i seldom pay money to go scuba diving

the ocean has no admissions charge

im young enough to say that it would be fascinating to have a wreck dive, in my back yard, that i could watch grow for the next 45 or so years

it's also good to put in additional mooring pins to keep boats from dropping anchor...that lesson was learned the hard way in Kealakekua Bay....all but 4 of the 20+ moorings in KBay were removed in the late 80's or early 90's at the request of various "environmental" concerns....alas, the number of puntured "skylights" in the coral landscape, caused by falling anchors, is just a tragedy....and i can say honestly that few, if any, commercial operators are responsible for that damage.

im for the wreck dive

[sinjin]

Re: The Politics of "NO"

i seldom pay money to go scuba diving

the ocean has no admissions charge

im young enough to say that it would be fascinating to have a wreck dive, in my back yard, that i could watch grow for the next 45 or so years

it's also good to put in additional mooring pins to keep boats from dropping anchor...that lesson was learned the hard way in Kealakekua Bay....all but 4 of the 20+ moorings in KBay were removed in the late 80's or early 90's at the request of various "environmental" concerns....alas, the number of puntured "skylights" in the coral landscape, caused by falling anchors, is just a tragedy....and i can say honestly that few, if any, commercial operators are responsible for that damage.

im for the wreck dive

Concern for what specific environmental impact led to the removal of the moorings in Kealakekua Bay?

[timkona]

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im sure the answer can be found in the legislative record with a little digging....ive heard that concerns for the marine ecosystem and overuse were part of it....but unless you fence off the bay, people will use it....and removing the pins was a terrible idea....i would love to know, specifically, who and why those pins were removed

[damontucker]

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Hawaiians say NO cuz of bones
Enviros say NO cuz of many reasons
Home Owners say NO more homes cuz of traffic problems
People say NO to science on Mauna Kea
Some say NO to expanding harbors
Others say NO GMO
Still others say NO to food irradiation
Recyclers would say NO to an aluminum smelter

NO is the problem in Hawaii. Anybody who has EVER said NO to anything is likely part of the overall problem.

Taken all together, the politics of NO is the cause of intransigence that is destroying this island paradise.

Funny how nobody ever protests growth at the maternity ward.

Mr. Timkona ... I won't go down to name calling... however I am asking for a simple response to the following threads?

The Politics of "NO" thread": March 26th, 2006, 06:40 AM

"Funny how nobody ever protests growth at the maternity ward." TIMKONA

Then I'm reading my own thread and I started and who do i see posting the following?

You know you have a big family when: March 16th, 2006, 09:20 PM

"My grandma was a twin. They had a total of 17 kids. My dad has 5 other siblings with at least 3 kids each. I got 96 first cousins all total. That's a big family." TIMKONA

Are you responding to these threads because of your own problems?

I thought you were the king of population control?

[timkona]

Re: The Politics of "NO"

I am from a big family.
I am pro-growth to make room for all the children.
I have one child for all the right reasons.