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  • #46
    Re: Statehood Day Holiday

    KonaGuy - were you there on Friday at `Iolani Palace?
    "Democracy is the only system that persists in asking the powers that be whether they are the powers that ought to be."
    – Sydney J. Harris

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    • #47
      Re: Statehood Day Holiday

      Sorry, KonaGuy - just read your posting that you are on Big Island.

      Yes, there is film of folks talking with the kids in the band. Yes, there were Olelo cameras there & yes, as soon as it gets edited I'm sure it will appear on NATV or whatever it is called where you are. EDIT: the YouTube footage was shot by one of the activists there.

      and just to make things clear to everyone here - I know most of these activists and I would have been at the action had I not needed to be at work. It was an action that was not announced and was planned very last minute.
      "Democracy is the only system that persists in asking the powers that be whether they are the powers that ought to be."
      – Sydney J. Harris

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      • #48
        Re: Statehood Day Holiday

        Yes, there were Olelo cameras there & yes, as soon as it gets edited I'm sure it will appear on NATV or whatever it is called where you are
        Too funny... using government funded equipment and airtime to present the anti-government view!
        Das good stuff there!

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        • #49
          Re: Statehood Day Holiday

          I think I hit the gold mine :

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMaGk_An40g defending `Iolani Palace 8

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vU3USP0ZgQ defending `Iolani Palace 9

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AM_X6dx5CD8 defending `Iolani Palace 6

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5V9dBH6vHJM Defending `Iolani Palace

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRGILRP5WCs defending `Iolani Palalce 5

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7R6MNBtEwA defending 'Iolani Palace 3
          Check out my blog on Kona issues :
          The Kona Blog

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          • #50
            Re: Statehood Day Holiday

            No need Olelo...

            "youtube"...faster, quicker, easier to distribute and can be seen worldwide!

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            • #51
              Re: Statehood Day Holiday

              Originally posted by manoasurfer123
              No need Olelo...

              "youtube"...faster, quicker, easier to distribute and can be seen worldwide!
              Absolutely , it pays to search yourself for it. Now I've updated my blog.
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              • #52
                Re: Statehood Day Holiday

                Originally posted by manoasurfer123
                Too funny... using government funded equipment and airtime to present the anti-government view!
                Das good stuff there!
                Lucky we live USA where freedom of speech, even the scenario you pointed out, is guaranteed by the constitution.
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                I know a lot less than what there is to be known.

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                • #53
                  Re: Statehood Day Holiday

                  Originally posted by manoasurfer123
                  I'm sure you will be seeing it on Olelo soon enough.
                  Originally posted by manoasurfer123
                  No need Olelo...

                  "youtube"...faster, quicker, easier to distribute and can be seen worldwide!
                  So which is it... need Olelo, or no need Olelo?

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                  • #54
                    Re: Statehood Day Holiday

                    Olelo is great... however, there are more restrictions in place at a government funded agency then a privately funded agency such as Youtube.

                    Plus youtube you can watch your video anytime anywhere... where as Olelo your restricted to be a viewer at a certain time alotted by them. Also you can only have the same thing shown so many times on Olelo... youtube can be on there available at anytime.

                    I would say the state definately needs public access channels, however, youtube can be shown throughout the Entire Islands and for that world the enitre planet, while Olelo is restricted to only Oahu (Except for channel 56).

                    Much larger viewership if you are able to target your audience as well as email your link to a few key audiences.

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                    • #55
                      Re: Statehood Day Holiday

                      Originally posted by manoasurfer123
                      Too funny... using government funded equipment and airtime to present the anti-government view!
                      Das good stuff there!
                      Manoa - I copied your above comment to one of the folks at the Palace on friday. This is a quote from an email I just received:

                      not sure what 'government funded equipment' means, as olelo's equipment is paid for by subscribers to cable tv--we paid for it. PEG, public/education/government, are the ones who benefit, and government, which claims both education and government, gets 2/3 of the pie.

                      I would think that you of all people would have been aware of this fact.
                      "Democracy is the only system that persists in asking the powers that be whether they are the powers that ought to be."
                      – Sydney J. Harris

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                      • #56
                        Re: Statehood Day Holiday

                        Originally posted by anapuni808
                        Manoa - I copied your above comment to one of the folks at the Palace on friday. This is a quote from an email I just received:

                        not sure what 'government funded equipment' means, as olelo's equipment is paid for by subscribers to cable tv--we paid for it. PEG, public/education/government, are the ones who benefit, and government, which claims both education and government, gets 2/3 of the pie.

                        I would think that you of all people would have been aware of this fact.
                        Sorry annapuni...

                        Most of their money is allocated by government.

                        How We're Funded
                        `Olelo receives its primary funding directly from Oceanic Cable. This funding relationship was established as part of the STATE's negotiation with Oceanic Cable's long term franchise on O`ahu. These funds are not collected as a tax on state residents. The state does allow Oceanic to pass the cost related to PEG access funding on to its subscribers. These franchise fees collected from subscribers monthly bills do not only fund PEG access. These funds are also distributed to the Hawaii Public Television Foundation (KHET) and the Department of Commerce and Consumer Affairs to cover cost related to regulating cable television.
                        http://www.olelo.org/about_olelo/about_2.html

                        The Government decides how the money is allocated.

                        Contributers and Partners to PEG Access programming:

                        University of Hawaii Distance Learning and Instructional Technology
                        http://www.hawaii.edu/dlit/sched/cable/index.html

                        State of Hawaii Department of Education
                        http://teleschoolwww.K12.hi.us/

                        Honolulu City Council
                        http://www.co.honolulu.hi.us/council/ccl.htm

                        Hawaii State Government
                        http://www.hawaii.gov/portal/

                        State of Hawaii Legislature
                        http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/
                        http://www.olelo.org/quick_answers/public_access.html

                        They do receive funding from a Franchise Fee... however, most of their money is allocated by the Government. That is one of the reason the "State Legislature" sessions override so many other scheduled things in the past... "Also the current Vote 2006" campaign....etc....

                        I'm sorry annapuni... however I think your facts that you received from your friend are misleading.

                        The easiest way I see it:

                        The government controls commerce here in Hawaii... They enforced Oceanic if they wanted to do business in Hawaii...they must chip in so much money into the coffer... which the Legislature will then allocated.
                        Last edited by damontucker; August 20, 2006, 06:54 PM. Reason: clarification

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                        • #57
                          Re: Statehood Day Holiday

                          Uh, actually I believe you're wrong.

                          PEG fees are indeed mandated by State law to be levied by a cable operator in order to receive a cable franchise from the DCCA, but the Government does not "allocate" these moneys any further than to divide the fees paid by cable subscribers between the BOE, UH and the various non-profits that produce the community access channels (Olelo, Akaku, etc).

                          If paying for something implies "ownership," (and I'm not sure that's the right argument to make here in the first place) then the equipment does not belong to the government but to the cable subscribers.

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                          • #58
                            Re: Statehood Day Holiday

                            Originally posted by poinographer
                            Uh, actually I believe you're wrong.

                            PEG fees are indeed mandated by State law to be levied by a cable operator in order to receive a cable franchise from the DCCA, but the Government does not "allocate" these moneys any further than to divide the fees paid by cable subscribers between the BOE, UH and the various non-profits that produce the community access channels (Olelo, Akaku, etc).

                            If paying for something implies "ownership," (and I'm not sure that's the right argument to make here in the first place) then the equipment does not belong to the government but to the cable subscribers.
                            PEG fees are indeed mandated by State law
                            The legislatures are the ones that make state laws though aren't they?

                            Government does not "allocate" these moneys any further than to divide the fees paid by cable subscribers between the BOE, UH and the various non-profits that produce the community access channels (Olelo, Akaku, etc).
                            What is the difference between allocating and dividing between agencies?

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                            • #59
                              Re: Statehood Day Holiday

                              Please, don't take this so personally that I challenged what you said.

                              Okay, let's put it like this: the government does not have any direct editorial control over what airs at the various non-profit community television production providers. The government only requires that a cable operator charge every subscriber the PEG fee and that the cable operator give what is collected to PEG providers that serve their customers.

                              In the end, if you don't like what you see on the access channels, then you are welcome to enroll in the training to produce your own programming and/or to request an already-trained producer to come and record what you have to say. Actually, I don't even think you need to be a cable subscriber to do either of those things, which may irritate those who think that those who paid for the equipment should have exclusive access to an outlet for free speech.

                              I honestly can't think of a better use for all that television production equipment than to document non-commercial public events, especially events so laden with political and historical implications.

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                              • #60
                                Re: Statehood Day Holiday

                                Originally posted by poinographer
                                Please, don't take this so personally that I challenged what you said.

                                Okay, let's put it like this: the government does not have any direct editorial control over what airs at the various non-profit community television production providers. The government only requires that a cable operator charge every subscriber the PEG fee and that the cable operator give what is collected to PEG providers that serve their customers.

                                In the end, if you don't like what you see on the access channels, then you are welcome to enroll in the training to produce your own programming and/or to request an already-trained producer to come and record what you have to say. Actually, I don't even think you need to be a cable subscriber to do either of those things, which may irritate those who think that those who paid for the equipment should have exclusive access to an outlet for free speech.

                                I honestly can't think of a better use for all that television production equipment than to document non-commercial public events, especially events so laden with political and historical implications.
                                the government does not have any direct editorial control over what airs at the various non-profit community television production providers
                                then what your saying is someone can produce porn and put it on Olelo?

                                No! Why... Because the Hawaii Government would come down so hard on Olelo that they would be pressured to remove that kind of programming.

                                It's a real touchy subject. I know that Olelo has been forced in the past to remove previously scheduled programs to Air Government legislative stuff.

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