Homeless solutions

[Ron Whitfield]

Re: Homeless solutions

The city does need taxpayer funded State help for mental health and behavior modification services. Don't want to pay to clean up the mess? Then stop complaining about the problem and live with it.

you know that's mostly wasted money while the priority issues persist into infinity. I love spending effective $$ to solve and prevent.

[matapule]

Re: Homeless solutions

The city does need taxpayer funded State help for mental health and behavior modification services. Don't want to pay to clean up the mess? Then stop complaining about the problem and live with it.

[Ron Whitfield]

Re: Homeless solutions

a damning report https://www.civilbeat.org/2020/03/ho...blem-persists/

[Ron Whitfield]

Re: Homeless solutions

this Mayor can't do anything right https://www.civilbeat.org/2020/03/bo...-for-homeless/

[Ron Whitfield]

Re: Homeless solutions

Corona virus https://www.civilbeat.org/2020/03/ke...m-coronavirus/

[Ron Whitfield]

Re: Homeless solutions

My solution for professional panhandlers is to address the real problem, those who give them money. Dry up the source of their income and they will go away or find another source of income. Therefore I propose that anyone observed by law enforcement giving money to panhandlers be given a significant citation by law enforcement, maybe $1000. This will require additional law enforcement for stakeouts, but that would be funded by income from the citations.
For the truly homeless with mental health issues of one type or another, I propose that the Federal government tax State governments (whether that State has a homeless issue or not) an equal amount to fund LOCKED mental health facilities where the homeless can receive professional counseling, guidance, and training for re-entry into society when appropriate. Some will never be able to pass the stringent requirements for re-entry and will become permanent wards of the government forever. This will be a very expensive program. It will be funded by a 2% tax on the wealthiest of the wealthy in the US, not on income, but their wealth. This tax will not impact the typical wage earner like on HT.

the panhandlers aren't going away for the moment and not worth any focus cos that'll all be cared for when new smart communities of mini homes to house everybody are instituted, all the functional mentals and incorrigibles can be given a shot at 'normal', those who can't / refuse to cut it will sort themselves out fairly quickly from a more stable society and other agencies can handle them, preferably in positive ways. the bottom line on the vast majority of the homeless is they're hopeless as far as integrating back into a legit workforce capacity, that dream is actually folly cos at best they aren't work-reliable, and I'm talking about the most viable workers. I super'd a recycling operation in Iwilei near IHS where I recruited the cream of the crop workers, daily, cos they'd never be back the next day regardless of promises. it was good work & pay but none were considerable for serious jobs. while there are always exceptions* it's better / cheaper to just house them for free and give them help and opportunities to better themselves, forcing doesn't work in the long run, we need sustainable answers. the obvious problem is the ignorant public rages at the thot of FREE STUFF, even sensible people may freak at considering giving anything away to the needy, it's easy to be resentful, but they don't take into account the myriad benefits they and society soon gain which greatly supersede the $BILLIONS in investment costs. it's cheaper to take full care of those in need or on the edge than to do what we've done forever to our premature demise.
*https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/25/teen...y5JjQTaznf5uMk

[Troubleshooter]

Re: Homeless solutions

I had a post typed and posted by request from Meta. The next screen asked me to login, which I did again. I looked for my post and can't find it anywhere. I typed a second and posted. Again, the next screen asked me to login again. Doing so again, I can't find my posting, either one.

An idiot keeps doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result. It is not happening a third time. It is 0138 hrs. I'm tired and my patience is gone.

[matapule]

Re: Homeless solutions

there's no one prescription that cures all illnesses, and no single, one size fits all solution that will get everyone housed. There are lots of different causes of homelessness, so we need lots of different ways to get people off the street. No single solution will eliminate homelessness; we need lots of solutions. This is not a contest, it's our neighbors, our workmates, our family, our friends... So time to cool our jets.

Mental illness is a relatively common symptom because an inability to cope with life can lead to a loss of income, so then a loss of housing. And homeless people who had zero mental illness when losing their home may later develop mental illness due to the challenges of surviving on the street.

If medicare for all happens, there may be a huge positive impact on public health, mental health included.

It's tragic that we house, feed, protect, educate, entertain, and look after the health of prison inmates, but don't do that for our neighbors when they fall behind on the rent.

Part of the problem may be that nearly all of us have trouble making ends meet every once in a while, but peer pressure and pride prevent us from speaking up when we need help. If we were more willing to reach out i suspect we would find that family, friends, co-workers, and neighbors would respond with aloha.

Prior to colonization there was no such thing as property ownership, and i wonder what that might look like today. How different life might be in many ways if we started looking out for each other as much as we do for ourselves.

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[Robbos]

Re: Homeless solutions

There's no one prescription that cures all illnesses, and no single, one size fits all solution that will get everyone housed. There are lots of different causes of homelessness, so we need lots of different ways to get people off the street. No single solution will eliminate homelessness; we need lots of solutions. This is not a contest, it's our neighbors, our workmates, our family, our friends... so time to cool our jets.

Mental illness is a relatively common symptom because an inability to cope with life can lead to a loss of income, so then a loss of housing. And homeless people who had zero mental illness when losing their home may later develop mental illness due to the challenges of surviving on the street.

If Medicare For All happens, there may be a huge positive impact on public health, mental health included.

It's tragic that we house, feed, protect, educate, entertain, and look after the health of prison inmates, but don't do that for our neighbors when they fall behind on the rent.

Part of the problem may be that nearly all of us have trouble making ends meet every once in a while, but peer pressure and pride prevent us from speaking up when we need help. If we were more willing to reach out I suspect we would find that family, friends, co-workers, and neighbors would respond with aloha.

Prior to colonization there was no such thing as property ownership, and I wonder what that might look like today. How different life might be in many ways if we started looking out for each other as much as we do for ourselves.

[matapule]

Re: Homeless solutions

I challenged @abunaitoo to come up with a solution to the homeless issue. He did not respond. He would rather bitch, moan, cry, complain. and issue Ad Hominem attacks than be proactive and come up with solutions. This is the same kind of behavior exhibited by @karen. This kind of person is a greater threat to our society than the homeless, because you just can't fix willful ignorance. People who just want to complain without offering any solutions (other than "vote Republican") are the ones that are truly deplorable.

So here is my solution for homelessness....tough love. Essentially everyone living on the street has significant problems, whether it be substance abuse. psychological issues, anti-social behavior, or related emotional challenges. These people need help. I differentiate between the truly homeless and "for profit" panhandlers. Research shows that many panhandlers are adept professionals, live in regular homes, drive maintained cars, dress in filthy clothes while at "work", and use the shopping cart full of junk and "will work for food" sign as clever props.

My solution for professional panhandlers is to address the real problem, those who give them money. Dry up the source of their income and they will go away or find another source of income. Therefore I propose that anyone observed by law enforcement giving money to panhandlers be given a significant citation by law enforcement, maybe $1000. This will require additional law enforcement for stakeouts, but that would be funded by income from the citations.

For the truly homeless with mental health issues of one type or another, I propose that the Federal government tax State governments (whether that State has a homeless issue or not) an equal amount to fund LOCKED mental health facilities where the homeless can receive professional counseling, guidance, and training for re-entry into society when appropriate. Some will never be able to pass the stringent requirements for re-entry and will become permanent wards of the government forever. This will be a very expensive program. It will be funded by a 2% tax on the wealthiest of the wealthy in the US, not on income, but their wealth. This tax will not impact the typical wage earner like on HT. Therefore, the money grubbing likes of @abunaitoo will have their deplorable complaints fixed without having to pay a dime from their deplorable money grubbing income.

I admit that I propose tough measures that would involve court challenges. But it would be a solution and I welcome any dialog of goodwill to challenge or refine my proposal. Flamethrowers are not welcome. I welcome criticism, but if you criticize, offer an alternative solution other than the deplorable "vote Republican."

Thank you for playing nice.

[Ron Whitfield]

Re: Homeless solutions

Nevada Vets in container homes https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2020/0...wbkNi83FZvzjFQ

[Ron Whitfield]

Re: Homeless solutions

the children https://nypost.com/2020/02/13/child-...form=hootsuite

[matapule]

Re: Homeless solutions

You are one of the deplorables. Do you call yourself a "christian?" Your ignorance is overwhelming, why prove it on the Internet?

- Homelessness is both a personal and sociological problem...........for those who don't understand the complex issues resulting in homelessness
- They are NOT good enough to get a good job. That's why they are homeless.
- the "rest of us" need high wage earners to keep the economy going and growing. How about you try to exist on minimum wage.
- You get subsidized food and subsidized gasoline. How can they be getting free housing if they are 'homeless?' You try to get by without cell service and auto insurance.
- If it is "so attractive to be on welfare", why don't YOU give it a try.
- You don't want to spend your money on the homeless, but you support the recent tax cuts to the wealthiest in the US which cuts services to you (like the CDC) and will raise your taxes. So why don't you spend YOUR money on tax cuts for the wealthy and not MY money?
- The Federal deficit has gone up mor in the last 50 years under Republican administrations than under Democratic administrations. If you are going to display your ignorance, try doing your homework and research first, something besides Faux Gnus.
- If you think these people are having it so good getting a free ride while living on the streets, why don't you go live on the streets and get a free ride too?
- Yes, those who are living on the streets have chemical addictions or severe mental health issues or no social resources. What is your solution, kill them all?
- Are you saying that the homeless are illegal residents? Your lack of knowledge is astounding!
- It costs money to teach a man to fish unless YOU want to teach them for free

@abunaitoo, you are doing a lot of bitching, moaning, complaining, crying and whining. I don't like to see the homeless living on the street any better than you do. I will be proposing a solution on this forum in the next couple of days that won't cost YOU one money grubbing tax dollar. Rather than bitching,moaning, complaining, crying, and whining,,,,,why don't you do something positive and proactive and propose a solution that will work.

Isn't homeless a personal problem?????
If they were good enough to get a good job, they wouldn't be homeless.
gooberment, and the rest of us, need low earning workers.
They are what keeps things running.
But for those who just don't want to work, should we be making it so easy for them.
Free food, free health care, free housing, free car insurance, welfare cash, free cell phone,
It's so attractive to be on welfare.
Lots of people yack about helping the homeless.
Good for them.
But why don't they spend their own money and not my money.
All the money spent on homeless, takes away from other services.
gooberment solution is to raise taxes.
Easy for them to do, it's not coming out of their pockets.
homeless also don't pay taxes.
I call this being fiscally irresponsible.
Spending what you don't have.
damacrats have been doing this for years, and it seems people are happy with it.
They keep voting these bums in.
We need to get tough with the homeless.
Majority are druggies, and probably beyond help.
Most of the rest are transplants. Looking for a free ride at our expense.
The rest have just run into some problems, and are working to get out of it.
These are the ones the deserve help.
President Trump did right by cutting off welfare to illegals not working.
For those who believe.......
Give a man a fish, and he will eat for a day.
Teach a man to fish, and he will eat for a life time.
Fishing is work.

[Ron Whitfield]

Re: Homeless solutions

Isn't homeless a personal problem?????
If they were good enough to get a good job, they wouldn't be homeless.
gooberment, and the rest of us, need low earning workers.
They are what keeps things running.
But for those who just don't want to work, should we be making it so easy for them.
Free food, free health care, free housing, free car insurance, welfare cash, free cell phone,
It's so attractive to be on welfare.
Lots of people yack about helping the homeless.
Good for them.
But why don't they spend their own money and not my money.
All the money spent on homeless, takes away from other services.
gooberment solution is to raise taxes.
Easy for them to do, it's not coming out of their pockets.
homeless also don't pay taxes.
I call this being fiscally irresponsible.
Spending what you don't have.
damacrats have been doing this for years, and it seems people are happy with it.
They keep voting these bums in.
We need to get tough with the homeless.
Majority are druggies, and probably beyond help.
Most of the rest are transplants. Looking for a free ride at our expense.
The rest have just run into some problems, and are working to get out of it.
These are the ones the deserve help.
President Trump did right by cutting off welfare to illegals not working.
For those who believe.......
Give a man a fish, and he will eat for a day.
Teach a man to fish, and he will eat for a life time.
Fishing is work.

go fuck your dumbshit traitor self

[abunaitoo]

Re: Homeless solutions

Isn't homeless a personal problem?????
If they were good enough to get a good job, they wouldn't be homeless.
gooberment, and the rest of us, need low earning workers.
They are what keeps things running.
But for those who just don't want to work, should we be making it so easy for them.
Free food, free health care, free housing, free car insurance, welfare cash, free cell phone,
It's so attractive to be on welfare.
Lots of people yack about helping the homeless.
Good for them.
But why don't they spend their own money and not my money.
All the money spent on homeless, takes away from other services.
gooberment solution is to raise taxes.
Easy for them to do, it's not coming out of their pockets.
homeless also don't pay taxes.
I call this being fiscally irresponsible.
Spending what you don't have.
damacrats have been doing this for years, and it seems people are happy with it.
They keep voting these bums in.
We need to get tough with the homeless.
Majority are druggies, and probably beyond help.
Most of the rest are transplants. Looking for a free ride at our expense.
The rest have just run into some problems, and are working to get out of it.
These are the ones the deserve help.
President Trump did right by cutting off welfare to illegals not working.
For those who believe.......
Give a man a fish, and he will eat for a day.
Teach a man to fish, and he will eat for a life time.
Fishing is work.