Toddler thrown onto freeway

[Amati]

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Well I'm certainly glad that baby Cyrus' mother is not home all depressed about the death of her baby, and that she is able to continue her everyday life unabashed.
http://www.starbulletin.com/news/201...n_robbery.html

Cyrus Belt's mother was in Circuit Court twice yesterday, once to learn the fate of the man accused of killing her toddler son, and a second time to answer to a charge that she robbed a man of $7,000.Nancy Chanco, 35, pleaded not guilty to second-degree robbery. She remains free on $25,000 bail pending her trial later this year. The charge stems from a Nov. 11 incident in which a man reported to police that Chanco allegedly took his money while they were in his vehicle at an area known as "Castle Rock" in Maunawili at about 1:19 a.m.

Meanwhile,

A state judge found an admitted methamphetamine addict guilty yesterday in the death of a toddler thrown from an H-1 pedestrian overpass. Circuit Judge Dexter Del Rosario ruled that Matthew Higa "intentionally or knowingly" caused the death of Cyrus Belt, 23 months old, on Jan. 17, 2008.

http://www.starbulletin.com/news/201...h_of_baby.html

[TuNnL]

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Can the autopsy prove that the body of Cyrus Belt was deceased before Higa took him and threw him off the freeway?

I suspect not otherwise they would not have charged Higa with murder.

Regardless of the “official conclusions” of the autopsy, there is reasonable doubt, at this point, as to whether Cyrus Belt was alive when Higa through him from the freeway overpass. So says two witnesses’ testimony.

[Kaonohi]

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"Surrounded by depsicable humans." You're not exaggerating.(...)Fine, let him sue Matthew Higa, Nancy Chanco, and Lilo Asiata. But the state should be immune from any liability for this. If the "concerned" father wants to cash in on his son's death, not one cent should come from taxpayer money.

Absolutely right, FM.
Perhaps part of the problem is that the State continues to support people who refuse to support themselves. They get a stipend for food and lodging and resort to criminal activities to support their drug habit.

I don't have an answer - just the question: are we doing this right?

K*

[Kaonohi]

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K-den!

Can the autopsy prove that the body of Cyrus Belt was deceased before Higa took him and threw him off the freeway?

In the Star-Bulletin it was controversial:
1. Lack of bruises on Cyrus' body, autopsy inconclusive so far,
2. Mom's comments about freeway cameras (??? were there any?).

Looks like something for the courts to decide.

What an awful moment in our history....

[helen]

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I suspect not otherwise they would not have charged Higa with murder.

[Random]

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In the news again today:
Higa's attourney is contending that the child was dead before Higa threw it into traffic.
The allegations include the actions of the boyfriend of the mother.

Children should not have children. Parents need to be responsible!

K?

K-den!

Can the autopsy prove that the body of Cyrus Belt was deceased before Higa took him and threw him off the freeway?

[Kaonohi]

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In the news again today:
Higa's attourney is contending that the child was dead before Higa threw it into traffic.
The allegations include the actions of the boyfriend of the mother.

Children should not have children. Parents need to be responsible!

K?

[1stwahine]

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Agreed.

Mahalo,

Auntie Lynn

[Kaonohi]

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No.

I will take it to PM.

Auntie Lynn

Sometimes I'm a bit obscure and too loquacious on top of it.

Short, simple version:

1. We need comprehensive training in parenting for everyone wanting to become a parent. Basic stuff that lets people know the immense responsibility it is.

2. We need licensing for child caretakers other than parents. This registration would also include screening out of people who are potentially obviously dangerous, not everyone with mental illness (many people are able to be good parents and caretakers if their condition is managed).
Felons, repeat misdemeanors, former bullies, etc., can be identified and can work elsewhere.

How's that?

K?

[1stwahine]

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No.

I will take it to PM.

Auntie Lynn

[Kaonohi]

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I said:
It is sad that an innocent was sacrificed to mentally ill parents and caretakers.

Until we have a system to separate mentally ill from the general population, we can expect more such incidents.

I'm curious as to what you mean by this.

Me too.

Auntie Pupule

Well, let's see...

We licence people to:
drive cars,
drive trucks,
fly airplanes,
carry guns,
own guns,
sell guns,
run a business (tax 'license'),
teach elementary & high school,
do massage,
engage in certain other professions, etc.

The most important job in the world (being a parent) requires almost nothing: no license, no approval, no test, no oversight. All you need is the right equipment connected at the right time with no preventive measures. So easy even a cave person....

There are no required courses, little if any public education, and even their parents may have taught them nothing.

What is the leading cause of death in the world? Birth, of course; becoming a parent.

If we want to prevent, or reduce or even postpone deaths such as this thread examines we must take steps.

Obviously, obtaining a licence to become a parent is not currently feasible in America - it may already be de rigueur in China. We can, however have classes, mandatory classes, in parenting either late in elementary school or early in high school. Not sex education - too many religious groups already have opposed that - parenting education.

We CAN, and should, license childcare - even baby sitting. Take a class, pass a test, get a license. And there should be mental health screening of caretakers to prevent such events as this one we're discussing.

The most important job in the world, and it's left up to amateurs.

No wonder.

That clear it up?

K!

[1stwahine]

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Until we have a system to separate mentally ill from the general population, we can expect more such incidents.

I'm curious as to what you mean by this.

Me too.

Auntie Pupule

[sophielynette]

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Until we have a system to separate mentally ill from the general population, we can expect more such incidents.

I'm curious as to what you mean by this.

[Kaonohi]

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He can correct me if I’m wrong, but I think Kaonohi is referring to Matthew Higa (the suspect in this case), not Nancy Chanco.

As far as 'insanity,' I have heard it described as: DOING THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER AND EXPECTING A DIFFERENT RESULT.

I think that may apply to many of the principals.

FWIW, T, I hold anyone involved as at least partially responsible.
The perp, the mom, the dad, other relatives, caretakers and friends....
SOMEONE should have been in the right place at the right time with the right people. If not: someone, or someones screwed up.

Sorry - this is inexcusable. Argue if you will, I will not be moved.
Perhaps someone made a mistake... hired an incompetent caretaker... but why? If you care for your children, you screen your caretakers, or care for them yourself.

[Leo Lakio]

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Let's run them down, shall we?

I suspect there are many who would like to do just that.

With the resurrection of this thread comes resurgence of the sadness.