Bad day on the sandbar

[MyopicJoe]

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Back on topic: In this case, it's a guy who somehow allowed his boat to sink in calm inland waters in a boat that might have been overloaded. A news report on KGMB said there were 40 people aboard that boat. Is that right?? Were there enough PFD's aboard? And where were they? Neatly stowed below decks where they wouldn't mess up the clean lines of this party boat? I didn't see any floating around when these guys recovered the dang TV!

Not being a boater (unless floating in a rubber raft once as a kid counts), I appreciate the insights, Composite.

[GeckoGeek]

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A news report on KGMB said there were 40 people aboard that boat. Is that right??

There was quite a crowd standing on the sandbar.

[Composite 2992]

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With airplanes, a comment often tossed up by veteran pilots is that a wealthy person can buy more airplane than he/she can handle.

A middle-class pilot is relegated to an airplane that can be flown only in visual conditions. But a really wealthy novice pilot can afford de-icing equipment, glass cockpit components, turbocharged twin engines, constant-speed props, pressurization, retracts and all the bells and whistles. Then they recklessly fly themselves into marginal conditions, lose track of where the air and dirt are, and stick the sharp end into the Earth.

That happened with John F. Kennedy Jr. who got disoriented during a night flight and splashed a high-performance aircraft in the sea. The Navy spends a huge amount of effort to recover him, and what happens afterward? They bury him at sea!!!

Sadly, they often take their friends with them.

Back on topic: In this case, it's a guy who somehow allowed his boat to sink in calm inland waters in a boat that might have been overloaded. A news report on KGMB said there were 40 people aboard that boat. Is that right?? Were there enough PFD's aboard? And where were they? Neatly stowed below decks where they wouldn't mess up the clean lines of this party boat? I didn't see any floating around when these guys recovered the dang TV!

Light winds. Zero-stress conditions. And the boat sinks? Isn't there a bilge flooding alarm? Multiple bilge pumps? Manual bilge pump?

Hardly a victim. He somehow put himself there. If Lika Nui's reports are any indication, boating safety is the last item on this guy's checklist.

Hopefully this guy's marine insurance has a "stupid" clause that prevents him from recovering costs in the event he did something that's just plain dumb: No payment if it's an act of God, War, or Stupidity.

[Menehune Man]

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And thanks Likanui for the truthful expression of how some 'BOATERS'(?) act.
There are truly too many that are unsafe to themselves and others.

Menehune Man quote inserted here:
If you like it... learn it!

[GeckoGeek]

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I've had to pull that same boat off of reefs not once but twice, and I know other people who have also towed him off.

I wonder. How much abuse can one boat take? Maybe it took one to many.

Thanks, I figured you'd have some info. I'd be curious as to the details of what happened. I know just enough about boats to be able to stick my foot in my mouth.

[MyopicJoe]

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Only if there was fuel and oil leaking out of the boat.

Unfortunately, @JPhilipson said he had gotten gasoline in his eyes. Dunno about oil.

[MyopicJoe]

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And by the way, a few of you have mistakenly referred to him as a "captain." You can call him the "skipper" of his boat, but calling someone a "captain" implies that the person is indeed licensed. Calling this buffoon a captain is an insult to real captains.

Gotcha. I dunno. Calling him "skipper" is still too nice. Reminds me of Gilligan's Island.

Perhaps "schmuck"?

As Scrivner noted, no can do. And I hope this JPhilpson person was just an innocent passenger.

JPhilipson is a real nice guy. Met him this past Friday, in fact. Not sure how he and his friends ended up on this boat.

[LikaNui]

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Karma rocks!

Sooooooooooo true!
*gives high five to TutuSue*

[LikaNui]

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Thanks Lika Nui for that story. I had caught Philipson's tweets, video and pix on this. Now I know another part of this developing story.

The guy is a danger to everyone else on the water, and that's why I posted that.
As someone who has done offshore search-and-rescue for a few decades, I can tell you that it's that kind of jerk that really lights my fire (as you all may have noticed ). I don't mind risking my boat and my life to save people who are legitimately in danger, but when I have to risk my boat and my life to save idiots, well...

That all said, this is the kind of stuff that irks the environmentalists and cultural preservationists into action and may have a bad fallout for all the boaters and people who use the sandbar.

Only if there was fuel and oil leaking out of the boat. That's likely, as both engines and both fuel tanks are completely underwater. However, I dearly hope that the rescue boats put a floating containment boom around Aquadelica to contain the fluids, as is -- or should be -- standard procedure.

A few years ago State Senator Clayton Hee tried to pass a bill to ban the recreational use of the sandbar. I would not be surprised if another bill like that surfaces again this legislative session. You folks better start monitoring the legislative session that starts on January 21.

Not likely to happen just because of today's incident. It's not all that unusual for boats to sink. There were two of them off of the Ala Wai within just a couple days of each other right before Christmas, as I recall.

[Jim75]

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...except that's not a blog. it's a Twitter account, and you'd have to summarize it in 140 characters or fewer.

Hmmm . . . maybe could post a link, or the URL, to Likanui's post. Not trying to press the issue, but it really does sound like he needs to be told. Putting anyone in danger is not cool, but endangering kids is unacceptable.

[tutusue]

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Karma rocks!

[LikaNui]

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Geez Likanui, he sounds like his boating priveleges should be revoked. Is there such a regulation?

No such regulation. No license required to operate a boat (unless you're taking passengers out for hire), but this jerk is a convincing reason why there should be a license requirement.
And by the way, a few of you have mistakenly referred to him as a "captain." You can call him the "skipper" of his boat, but calling someone a "captain" implies that the person is indeed licensed. Calling this buffoon a captain is an insult to real captains.

You should copy and paste your thoughts above on the blog ZZtype links to in his post. Maybe he's already been told, but if he hasn't it sounds like he should be.

As Scrivner noted, no can do. And I hope this JPhilpson person was just an innocent passenger.

[mel]

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Thanks Lika Nui for that story. I had caught Philipson's tweets, video and pix on this. Now I know another part of this developing story.

That all said, this is the kind of stuff that irks the environmentalists and cultural preservationists into action and may have a bad fallout for all the boaters and people who use the sandbar.

A few years ago State Senator Clayton Hee tried to pass a bill to ban the recreational use of the sandbar. I would not be surprised if another bill like that surfaces again this legislative session.

You folks better start monitoring the legislative session that starts on January 21.

[scrivener]

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...except that's not a blog. it's a Twitter account, and you'd have to summarize it in 140 characters or fewer.

[Jim75]

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Geez Likanui, he sounds like his boating priveleges should be revoked. Is there such a regulation? At least no-one got hurt. There are worse places in the ocean a boat could fill up with water. You should copy and paste your thoughts above on the blog ZZtype links to in his post. Maybe he's already been told, but if he hasn't it sounds like he should be.