Re: Smoking ban in effect on Oahu
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This is gonna stop them from smoking.
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Smoking ban in effect on Oahu
YAY!! its here !!
Yes, its been here for a while too. - no smoking signs on bus stops!!!
Thank Heavens!!. That's all I gotta Say .
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Re: Smoking ban in effect on Oahu
http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/2...han-we-thought
Still smoking?
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Re: Smoking ban in effect on Oahu
Originally posted by Kaonohi View Post'... it's like making guns illegal because some people break the laws with them ...'
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Re: Smoking ban in effect on Oahu
Originally posted by scrivener View PostSigh. Yes, this I am aware of. And in this case, I guess the law makes some sense, and I can accept it on philosophical grounds.
Completely different issue. Littering is already illegal (unlike smoking in a public place in the vicinity of others, which still isn't). Making smoking illegal because some people litter is like making drinking in bars illegal because some people drive while intoxicated. The existing laws address the problem; making new laws just for the convenience of enforcing them is kind of authoritarian and not really at all democratic.
'... it's like making guns illegal because some people break the laws with them ...'
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Re: Smoking ban in effect on Oahu
Originally posted by scrivener View PostWhat reasonable person considers the balcony below another person "far, far away?"
Which of your rights am I tromping on if, at 5 in the morning, I'm in a park all by myself, enjoying a good cigar, while you are miles away in your bed enjoying the remnants of a pleasant dream?
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Re: Smoking ban in effect on Oahu
Originally posted by scrivener View PostCompletely different issue. Littering is already illegal (unlike smoking in a public place in the vicinity of others, which still isn't). Making smoking illegal because some people litter is like making drinking in bars illegal because some people drive while intoxicated. The existing laws address the problem; making new laws just for the convenience of enforcing them is kind of authoritarian and not really at all democratic.
Had all smokers been bright, you'd still be able to enjoy that private cigar at dawn by yourself at a public park or beach.
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Re: Smoking ban in effect on Oahu
Originally posted by Amati View PostThe situation of even "needing" a law is due to inconsiderate smokers who will light up in the proximity of others,
who will toss their cigarette butts on the ground or sand or into the water, and other such offenses. If all smokers were considerate and non-polluting, there would not have been a NEED for the law.p
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Re: Smoking ban in effect on Oahu
Originally posted by scrivener View PostWe're talking about parks. At times when I'm the only person in them. Believe me, it's very far away from other humans. What reasonable person considers the balcony below another person "far, far away?"
Which of your rights am I tromping on if, at 5 in the morning, I'm in a park all by myself, enjoying a good cigar, while you are miles away in your bed enjoying the remnants of a pleasant dream?
But since not all smokers are considerate or reasonable, the law has come about. There is no way to realistically put conditions on the law, since it has been proven by the already-inconsiderate-smokers that they lack judgement and reason.
Thus, no smoking in parks. There is no "judgement call" involved, no reasoning needed. There is no judgement on "is there anyone else around" or "is there someone too close" or "is it OK to smoke under this tree but not that one". Thank the non-thinkers for the need for a clear cut law. When you see someone smoking in an area that could bother someone else, walk up and remind them that THEY are the reason that firm laws are needed. That is who your complaints should be focused on.
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Originally posted by matapule View PostHow far is "far, far away?"
Which of your rights am I tromping on if, at 5 in the morning, I'm in a park all by myself, enjoying a good cigar, while you are miles away in your bed enjoying the remnants of a pleasant dream?
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Re: Smoking ban in effect....
Originally posted by Serenity View PostIf I were you, I would be BOLD enough & have the guts to stand up & say so to remind them, after all, its your own health that your protecting. IF they want to ruin their health & direct death towards themselves slowly, that's their prerogative. At least IF any at at all, they SHOULD have the decency to use e-cigarette at least if they are going to be around people in public. GAWD!!.
I know I have the guts to come out & say so & remind them!!. Heck!!, its my health I am protecting, Know what I mean? I want to be able to live a longer life, & NOT encourage cancer to inflict me all over again!!.
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Re: Smoking ban in effect on Oahu
Originally posted by scrivener View PostI'm really, really against this law. I'm not a smoker, but once or twice a year, I enjoy a nice cigar. In the dark hours before the sun comes up, I find a nice spot, far, far away from other human beings (because I cherish my solitude) and spend a good half hour or so with this little indulgence.
I am really, really in favor of this law. Non-smokers have rights that trump smoker's insensitivity.
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Re: Smoking ban in effect on Oahu
Originally posted by scrivener View PostI'm really, really against this law. I'm not a smoker, but once or twice a year, I enjoy a nice cigar. In the dark hours before the sun comes up, I find a nice spot, far, far away from other human beings (because I cherish my solitude) and spend a good half hour or so with this little indulgence.
Am I hurting anyone? Do you really care if I have a smoke at 4:30 in the morning in a grassy area far, far away from wherever you or any other human being is? Doesn't matter, because now the activity is illegal. This law sucks.
I guess as long as no one is around that could be affected by the smoke, & if you are at home by yourself, it may possibly be ok.
on another note, hypothetically saying .... IF I was to say....
I am not really a drug addict &/or an alcoholic, BUT once or twice a year I would enjoy shooting up & drinking beer in the dark hours before the sun comes up, technically I am not really hurting anyone. lol,
That's fine & dandy, but, are you really not hurting anyone one?? your only putting those toxic nasty things in your system once or twice a year.
That's not good, but that's not MY body. so, go ahead pollute your insides of yourself , your only inflicting it upon yourself. your not really hurting anyone, & if you want to shorten your life span, heck!! why not!!. have at it, knock your self out!!.
Just don't be surprised that you may end up inside the casket early than you expected to be, because of an unstoppable cancer that you encouraged.
I am just saying.
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Re: Smoking ban in effect on Oahu
I'm really, really against this law. I'm not a smoker, but once or twice a year, I enjoy a nice cigar. In the dark hours before the sun comes up, I find a nice spot, far, far away from other human beings (because I cherish my solitude) and spend a good half hour or so with this little indulgence.
Am I hurting anyone? Do you really care if I have a smoke at 4:30 in the morning in a grassy area far, far away from wherever you or any other human being is? Doesn't matter, because now the activity is illegal. This law sucks.
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Re: Smoking ban in effect....
Originally posted by Kaonohi View Post"Oh the times, they are a changing ..."
Some states are more progressive than others....
Note:
Gay Marriage and Marijuana:
For those who haven't heard, Washington State just passed two new laws - gay marriage and legalized marijuana.
The fact that gay marriage and marijuana were legalized on the same day makes perfect biblical sense because
Leviticus 20:13 says: "If a man lies with another man they should be stoned.”
Evidently, we just hadn't interpreted it correctly before!
Thanks go out to Gabe and Byron for sharing this...
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