JUNE JONES PAY or NO? $400K

[TuNnL]

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Hmm...so then quite possibly Jones could eventually settle out of court for an amount he is more comfortable parting with which really could be why he's making such an allegation.

That’s what the Honolulu Advertiser’s August 2 article implies, however, I haven’t seen any announcement forthcoming. If Jones and UH had reached an agreement “in principle” two weeks ago, shouldn’t there have been an announcement by now?

[infinitypro]

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In the immortal words of all attorneys everywhere: "It depends." In general, verbal agreements can be considered as binding, but there are so many variables open to interpretation that it usually ends up headed for court (and, more often than not, settled outside the court).

Caveat: I am not an attorney, but the Alpha Female has her J.D. and passed the bar in Washington & Hawai`i - though she has chosen not to practice.

Hmm...so then quite possibly Jones could eventually settle out of court for an amount he is more comfortable parting with which really could be why he's making such an allegation.

[Leo Lakio]

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HT legal eagles, is a verbal agreement binding in Hawaii?

In the immortal words of all attorneys everywhere: "It depends." In general, verbal agreements can be considered as binding, but there are so many variables open to interpretation that it usually ends up headed for court (and, more often than not, settled outside the court).

Caveat: I am not an attorney, but the Alpha Female has her J.D. and passed the bar in Washington & Hawai`i - though she has chosen not to practice.

[Walkoff Balk]

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June Jones could go on the Andy Bumatai show with a "The Moment of Truth" questioning setup to see if there was a verbal agreement made.

[infinitypro]

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So, June Jones (conveniently) alleges that he had a verbal agreement with fired AD Herman Frazier to waive the penalty for breaking his contract prior to June 30th.

HT legal eagles, is a verbal agreement binding in Hawaii? If so, how does one prove it without it turning into a "your word against mine?" If not, I kind of expected June Jones to dig out on his bill!

[Random]

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Frazier's role in this mess should not be minimized. He is far from a mere scapegoat being blamed for the shortcomings of his superiors.

Tell that to June Jones who defended him. I have to watch that half-hour KGMB9 Special, Junes Jones: A New Beginning on January 22nd @ 9:30p. I want to see if he still want to defend Frazier.

[TuNnL]

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I wonder if someone like Norm Chow would think it worthwhile to take a pay cut to coach at UH if he sees them treating JJ in such a petty and meanspirited way.

At this point, it would no longer be a pay cut, since the much heralded NFL coach is now unemployed.

[oceanpacific]

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Frazier's role in this mess should not be minimized. He is far from a mere scapegoat being blamed for the shortcomings of his superiors.

Don't forget that Frazier is the poster boy NOT of "working hard," but of "hardly working." For this he got $200K/annum for 3 years, $250K/annum for 2-1/2 years, and a $312K "buyout" for 15 months of the remaining 30 months he was terminated from. In addition, the word is out that he may be claiming additional money for "performance bonuses earned!" For being on the job when JJ and the UH football team went undefeated, won the WAC, and earned the trip to the BCS Sugar Bowl, and for getting the program "in the black" by $67K (achieved IMHO via accounting "tricks" - collecting season ticket renewals and seat premiums for the following fiscal year ahead of time). Example, men's basketball season tickets were usually renewed in August and September (season started in November), but in the last two years, the money was collected in May, a full month or more before the start of the July 1 fiscal year. Coincidentally, the last two years produced an operating "profit."

[Random]

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So, who have the guts to call into question of the UH BOREs?

Perhaps we should get our state legislators to question the entire UH BOREs in the same way they questioned Bishop Trustees in the past.

[Kittrick]

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Of course, Jones also said in his e-mail to Frazier that he likely would have re-signed had UH tendered an offered in 2005, or even before the start of this past season.

So if seeking out a more appreciative and responsive employer falls under your definition of someone who is "opportunistic," whatever.



I think you have to read the way JJ "defended" HF. Here is a direct quote from yesterday's press conference.

He (Frazier) was faced with a lot of the frustrations I faced the first four years on the job until he showed up.

Here, JJ sheds light on an important truth. The problems at UH did not begin with Herman Frazier. It was already there when JJ first started in 1999, with a different university president, chancellor, athletic director, and board of regents. Numerous people have come and gone from those positions over the last 9 years. But the problems caused by a reactive (rather than proactive) bureaucracy was a constant. And I think that JJ wanted the public to know THAT was one of the major reasons why he left UH. It wasn't solely because of Herman Frazier.

I'm speculating here, of course. But I think June wanted to make that last point clear to the public, because the timing of his departure and HF's firing obscured the root cause of what eventually drove JJ to the difficult decision to go to SMU. As incompetent an AD as Frazier has proven himself to be, let no one be fooled into thinking that the present mess was entirely the work of one person (Herman). I said it in another post. How could the president and the chancellor have let things get so far before personally becoming involved in JJ's contract negotiations? Their part in this coaching crisis is inexcusable. Merely firing HF does not clear them from sharing in the responsibility.

I'm thinking the president and the chancellor thought the AD was doing his job, but I certainly think they are at fault for not checking up at least on the progress wayyyy earlier than the last game of the year to have to step in to do the AD's job. I'm thinking if Hugh Yoshida was there, it would have been a done deal.

[Frankie's Market]

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Exactly! I was weirded out by what he said on the teevee too, because he made it sound like SMU was the perfect opportunity he was looking for all along, and nothing UH did would have kept him in Hawaii.

He could have phrased it better from a PR perspective like "I've done everything there is to do here, so I've decided to move on", but it wasn't phrased like that at all. It sounded opportunistic to me, but I could have interpreted it wrong.

Of course, Jones also said in his e-mail to Frazier that he likely would have re-signed had UH tendered an offered in 2005, or even before the start of this past season.

So if seeking out a more appreciative and responsive employer falls under your definition of someone who is "opportunistic," whatever.

I thought he sounded awfully diplomatic to the issue of Herman Frazier. Is he the next AD at SMU or something?

I think you have to read the way JJ "defended" HF. Here is a direct quote from yesterday's press conference.

He (Frazier) was faced with a lot of the frustrations I faced the first four years on the job until he showed up.

Here, JJ sheds light on an important truth. The problems at UH did not begin with Herman Frazier. It was already there when JJ first started in 1999, with a different university president, chancellor, athletic director, and board of regents. Numerous people have come and gone from those positions over the last 9 years. But the problems caused by a reactive (rather than proactive) bureaucracy was a constant. And I think that JJ wanted the public to know THAT was one of the major reasons why he left UH. It wasn't solely because of Herman Frazier.

I'm speculating here, of course. But I think June wanted to make that last point clear to the public, because the timing of his departure and HF's firing obscured the root cause of what eventually drove JJ to the difficult decision to go to SMU. As incompetent an AD as Frazier has proven himself to be, let no one be fooled into thinking that the present mess was entirely the work of one person (Herman). I said it in another post. How could the president and the chancellor have let things get so far before personally becoming involved in JJ's contract negotiations? Their part in this coaching crisis is inexcusable. Merely firing HF does not clear them from sharing in the responsibility.

[Kittrick]

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Now, now. You make it sound like Frazier engineered this whole thing so he too can move to SMU, even though they already have one who did the right thing: hire June Jones.

From what I hear, Mr. Frazier is getting a national post, CEO of USA Track & Field. I suddenly feel sorry for our US Summer Olympic athletes competing in that field.

It was a bad joke when I mentioned SMU. If you look at Frazier's history at UH, it was like he wasn't working for the university's best interests, but for another university or something because he seemed to do things the opposite of what he should have done for UH...but I'm pretty sure it was just the incompetence. But you have to think to yourself: man that takes a lot of effort to screw things up the way he did with so many issues!

I bet he could screw up a sport where people just run around a track, jump over things, or throw some object too somehow.

[Random]

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I thought he sounded awfully diplomatic to the issue of Herman Frazier. Is he the next AD at SMU or something?

Now, now. You make it sound like Frazier engineered this whole thing so he too can move to SMU, even though they already have one who did the right thing: hire June Jones.

From what I hear, Mr. Frazier is getting a national post, CEO of USA Track & Field. I suddenly feel sorry for our US Summer Olympic athletes competing in that field.

[Kittrick]

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I'm not going to look at UH for being greedy.

Besides, based on bits of JJ's press conference, he stated NOTHING is going to keep him in Hawai'i, short of retiring to Kona. That statement contradicted previous ones about whether he had a difficult time making a decision to leave Hawai'i.

I also cannot understand his statement of loyalty to Frazier which contradicted his alleged resignation letter that expressed frustration with Frazier (as well as the UH administration).

I don't have any grudge against him. But he made the decision to leave Hawai'i when his contract ends, long before SMU came calling.

Exactly! I was weirded out by what he said on the teevee too, because he made it sound like SMU was the perfect opportunity he was looking for all along, and nothing UH did would have kept him in Hawaii.

He could have phrased it better from a PR perspective like "I've done everything there is to do here, so I've decided to move on", but it wasn't phrased like that at all. It sounded opportunistic to me, but I could have interpreted it wrong.

I thought he sounded awfully diplomatic to the issue of Herman Frazier. Is he the next AD at SMU or something?

[Random]

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I'm not going to look at UH for being greedy.

Besides, based on bits of JJ's press conference, he stated NOTHING is going to keep him in Hawai'i, short of retiring to Kona. That statement contradicted previous ones about whether he had a difficult time making a decision to leave Hawai'i.

I also cannot understand his statement of loyalty to Frazier which contradicted his alleged resignation letter that expressed frustration with Frazier (as well as the UH administration).

I don't have any grudge against him. But he made the decision to leave Hawai'i when his contract ends, long before SMU came calling.