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  • pzarquon
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    Fascinating to review the start of this thread in 2008, watching the fluctuations and prices back then. $3.99/gallon at Lex Brodie's in May 2008. $2.08/gallon at Costco in December 2008.

    Gas prices hit record high in Honolulu and statewide
    The average price of a gallon of regular gas is $4.512 a gallon, a new state record, according to the AAA Fuel Gauge Report. The price is 2 cents higher than yesterday and .2 cents higher than the old record of $4.51 set on July 24, 2008.

    Honolulu also set a new record high with an average price of $4.40 a gallon, beating the old record of $4.39 set on July 28, 2008. The price is about 2 cents more than yesterday and 94 cents higher than a year ago.

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  • GeckoGeek
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    Originally posted by joshuatree View Post
    So maybe more city/state taxes on gas which should be dedicated only for road maintenance?
    Taxing gas up to $8/gal A good way to get one's life cut short. Especially for something that the government should have been doing (road maintenance).

    Now, if gas prices stay low, I'd say Obama could get away with a 50¢/gal tax if it's promised to go to freeing ourselves from imports.


    Originally posted by Enamorada View Post
    Alternative fuels=less pollution (less crap in my lungs, thankyouverymuch) ...
    Uh, well, that's an agenda that I didn't think anyone here was concerned about. Where are you? If it was a concern for Hawaii the first step would be mandatory emissions testing like other states have.



    Originally posted by Enamorada View Post
    BMW has a pretty good things going on there!
    Until someone finds a price competitive way to create H2, it's a dead end.


    Originally posted by matapule View Post
    I see nothing wrong with "feel good conservation stuff" as long as it leads to long term solutions.
    And that's the whole problem. Everyone's dinking around with what looks like to be a 20% solution, leaving the other 80% to be solved. If we can solve the 80%, then we can see if we even need a 20% solution. Maybe the 80% solution will turn out to be a 90, 95 or even 100% solution. And that's the problem I see with all this "feel good" stuff. It's distracting us from the bigger problem that needs to be solved - halting energy imports from hostile nations.

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  • matapule
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    Originally posted by timkona View Post
    We will always have PTV (personal transportation vehicles) to haul our butts around in.
    I have no idea what you are referring to.

    Originally posted by Enamorada View Post
    Something has to change. Funny, I don't see any problem with the "Feel-good conservation stuff". Alternative fuels=less pollution (less crap in my lungs, thankyouverymuch) ...
    I see nothing wrong with "feel good conservation stuff" as long as it leads to long term solutions.

    Originally posted by zff View Post
    I realize I'm really the only one here championing higher gas prices, and to be honest, I would personally hate to see it happen.
    I would like to see it happen. Yeah, it's going to cost all of us a lot of money in other areas too, but in my opinion it is going to happen sooner or later anyway. I'd rather have it happen sooner.

    I support your effrorts Zman, you are not alone. But it is only part of the solution. Continue supporting this proposal and I will watch your back.

    I am admittedly naive and idealistic, but I would like to see a politician run on a platform of higher gas prices (via additional taxes), I would vote for her.......I think a lot of others would too.

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  • matapule
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    Originally posted by zff View Post
    The problem is getting everyone to adopt the new innovative way of thinking.
    It is going to take a President to rally the nation. You may be too young to remember JFK. He was a person with a lot of personal flaws, but he was able to inspire a nation with new enthusiasm, working toward common goals. Does Obama have what it takes? Only time will tell, but YES WE CAN!

    Originally posted by zff View Post
    Sure. Nobody said it was going to be easy.
    Anything worth doing, is worth doing regardless of the cost.

    Originally posted by SusieMisajon View Post
    Our gas prices don't fluctuate with the price of oil....it's still ten bucks a gallon.
    Personally, I have no problem with $10 per gallon for price of gas. The addtional taxes on that $10 gas can be used to pay for the bailouts.

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  • zff
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    Originally posted by timkona View Post
    Folks who think the high price of gas is a cure for our ills are woefully misinformed.
    I realize I'm really the only one here championing higher gas prices, and to be honest, I would personally hate to see it happen. I will readily admit I'm not the smartest guy in the world, but I cannot think of a way to make our society more eco-friendly that's faster, simpler and would have a higher rate of compliance and participation.

    I'm not an expert in anything remotely related to this issue, so I would not be at all surprised if I was misinformed. If there is a better way to make society more eco-friendly and it doesn't involve anything painful like raising the price of gas, I would be all for it.

    What is it?
    Last edited by zff; December 12, 2008, 04:46 PM.

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  • Enamorada
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    Originally posted by GeckoGeek View Post
    Like developing some real alternatives and not this feel-good conservation stuff that just delays the inevitable.
    Something has to change. Funny, I don't see any problem with the "Feel-good conservation stuff". Alternative fuels=less pollution (less crap in my lungs, thankyouverymuch) ...

    http://alternativefuels.about.com/od.../2007bmwh7.htm

    BMW has a pretty good things going on there!

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  • Enamorada
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    Originally posted by SusieMisajon View Post
    Dunno why. It's only eight bucks a gallon down the road in Spain.
    Good thing for Spaniards there's a whole lot of public transportation
    I'd imagine there's some good public transportation in France too? Never been there, but I know in Spain, Italy and Greece there's pretty good public transportation.
    Last edited by Enamorada; December 12, 2008, 11:59 AM.

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  • SusieMisajon
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    Dunno why. It's only eight bucks a gallon down the road in Spain.

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  • joshuatree
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    Originally posted by GeckoGeek View Post
    Most of it in taxes.
    So maybe more city/state taxes on gas which should be dedicated only for road maintenance?

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  • GeckoGeek
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    Originally posted by SusieMisajon View Post
    Our gas prices don't fluctuate with the price of oil....it's still ten bucks a gallon.
    Most of it in taxes.


    Originally posted by Enamorada View Post
    No one really wants high gas prices, but as others have mentioned, it may be what we need to make some very big, important changes.
    Like developing some real alternatives and not this feel-good conservation stuff that just delays the inevitable.

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  • timkona
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    So some folks actually have to THINK to save money.

    Well, not this guy. It was a no brainer 8 years ago when we bought the Echo (38 mpg). And it was a no brainer when I got the Corolla 2 years ago (41 mpg). And if you still driving an SUV, or some other gas guzzler, then I admire how wealthy you are. You must be smart.

    Folks who think the high price of gas is a cure for our ills are woefully misinformed.

    Another group of folks think that when we run out of gas, we stop using cars eventually. That's so silly, it makes me laugh. We will always have PTV (personal transportation vehicles) to haul our butts around in.

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  • SusieMisajon
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    Our gas prices don't fluctuate with the price of oil....it's still ten bucks a gallon.

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  • Enamorada
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    Originally posted by HawaiiMama View Post
    Well, gas here in the Valley (in the Los Angeles area) is averaging about $1.72/gal, but where I have been buying it, it's now $1.63. I know everyone says they miss the high prices because of traffic, etc., but there's no way to judge that here right now, because of Christmas approaching. Traffic here, as bad as it is, is ALWAYS heavier at this time of year. We'll check it out after the kids go back to school on Jan. 12. I don't miss the higher prices at all, for a strictly selfish reason: It's costing me less than half of what it was costing me last summer to fill up!!! I must say that the habits I formed when it was high have remained with me. I no longer just "run out" to do something--I still combine my trips and drive "in a circle", so I don't go out of the way for something. If I need to go across town, I wait till I have something else to do out that same way before doing it (not counting important things like going to a doctor or something like that). It has made a huge difference in how ofter I buy gas, and I really like that.
    Anyone out there reading this in Colorado? My son's friend says it's about $1.35 there, and I know that in San Antonio, TX, my friend says it's about $1.25 there. (These prices are for regular unleaded) When we left here last August to go to Maui, it was about $4.35 here in CA, and I think it was around $4.60 or so over there; am I right? I'd have to dig up a receipt to be sure! (It didn't matter...I would have paid $100/gal to be over there! Ha!)
    Here in Wichita Falls, it went down to $1.49 for unleaded.

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  • Enamorada
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    Unfortunately it takes something like high gas prices to change the way we think. We're so wrapped up with luxuries, it's easy to lose sight of (or shrug off) what will truly benefit us and this wonderful planet in the long-haul.

    No one really wants high gas prices, but as others have mentioned, it may be what we need to make some very big, important changes.

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  • HawaiiMama
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    Well, gas here in the Valley (in the Los Angeles area) is averaging about $1.72/gal, but where I have been buying it, it's now $1.63. I know everyone says they miss the high prices because of traffic, etc., but there's no way to judge that here right now, because of Christmas approaching. Traffic here, as bad as it is, is ALWAYS heavier at this time of year. We'll check it out after the kids go back to school on Jan. 12. I don't miss the higher prices at all, for a strictly selfish reason: It's costing me less than half of what it was costing me last summer to fill up!!! I must say that the habits I formed when it was high have remained with me. I no longer just "run out" to do something--I still combine my trips and drive "in a circle", so I don't go out of the way for something. If I need to go across town, I wait till I have something else to do out that same way before doing it (not counting important things like going to a doctor or something like that). It has made a huge difference in how ofter I buy gas, and I really like that.
    Anyone out there reading this in Colorado? My son's friend says it's about $1.35 there, and I know that in San Antonio, TX, my friend says it's about $1.25 there. (These prices are for regular unleaded) When we left here last August to go to Maui, it was about $4.35 here in CA, and I think it was around $4.60 or so over there; am I right? I'd have to dig up a receipt to be sure! (It didn't matter...I would have paid $100/gal to be over there! Ha!)

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