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  • Re: Rail Transit

    Train in Vain
    You must explain why this must be
    Did you lie when you spoke to me?

    Did you stand by me
    Did you stand by me
    No, not at all
    Did you stand by me
    No way
    Did you stand by me
    No, not at all
    Did you stand by me
    No way

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    • Re: Rail Transit

      Autonomous Car Legislation going forward in California:
      http://www.mercurynews.com/californi...highway-future

      Additionally, robotic cars are shown to have better efficiency
      http://www.nbcnews.com/technology/fu...t-study-978760

      Has anyone seen ANY politician bring up this technology in a discussion on Rail? I mean, they have internet access, right?

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      • Re: Rail Transit

        Buses beat RAIL on all fronts! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLyz0vjvOjE

        The Federal Government has stated cities across America cannot afford to maintain and operate rail anymore and so the feds are offering Honolulu the opportunity to put buses on their fixed guideway instead, Why? Because buses beat rail on all fronts- less energy use, less pollution, more carrying capacity, and much cheaper to build, operate, and maintain....buses win. For fed write up: http://www.councilmanberg.com/html_p...st_073012.html

        http://blogs.planning.org/policy/201...ransit-grants/

        Sounds like a much better plan to me!
        Life is either an adventure... or you're not doing it right!!!

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        • Re: Rail Transit

          I don't want to read all 48 previous pages so if this is old news, sorry. But in reading a little Honolulu history I see it had a public transport rail system of up to 12 miles, begun in the late 1880's. This was news to me. Does anybody know when and why it was discontinued? Once those right of ways are gone replacing them is incredibly expensive. On the mainland in the '50's a conglomerate of General Motors, Firestone Tires, and one of the oil companies bought up public transit rail systems all over the country, LA used to have one of the best, the Red Cars. Can you imagine LA with a good, convenient public transit system? The whole purpose was to make people buy cars, tires, gasoline, we got suburbs and also dependence on Mideast oil. Anyway, what about the Honolulu system?

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          • Re: Rail Transit

            OH yeah.

            Let's just build subways like New York and London. Since we have a high water table, we won't even need tracks, we can use boats! Submarines!

            If we run into I`iwi we can just make a jag around them. But since this will be deep, only the access escalators will run into burials.

            And, after that, we can make an underwater highway like the England to France Chunnel to link up all the highways.

            That is, if we can stop arguing long enough before efficient teleportation becomes possible.

            I like Ben's idea of an elevated highway over Dillingham to relieve traffic.

            Or, tax cars by their roadway footprint..... small cars & 2-wheeled vehicles ride free.
            Carpools get a tax discount.
            Be Yourself. Everyone Else Is Taken!
            ~ ~
            Kaʻonohiʻulaʻokahōkūmiomioʻehiku
            Spreading the virus of ALOHA.
            Oh Chu. If only you could have seen what I've seen, with your eyes.

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              It would be interesting to see what the old routes were. 12 miles doesn't seem like much today but in the 1880's or '90's it must have served the whole city. And if it hadn't gone out of business, for whatever reason, it could have been modernized and extended. It is impossible now in Honolulu and just about everywhere else. That was the whole point of buying them up and shutting them down. It worked.

              San Diego has a system of trolleys that runs about 70 % on abandoned railroad track, there have been some extensions with new track. A lot of people use the trolley to get to Padres or Chargers games, or to SD State, some use it to get to work downtown, some use the "Coaster", an actual train that runs about 50 miles from Oceanside to downtown, a commuter train in the east coast commuter train tradition. It runs on the old Santa Fe tracks to LA. Its all subsidized, the feeling is that getting several thousand cars off the freeways means you don't have to build so many new freeways. When I think of mistakes from the past that might not have seemed very significant 50 years ago, but really screwed up our present, shutting down municipal rail systems is right up there. Subtract 20 % of traffic from Honolulu freeways and streets and everything would probably flow a lot smoother. But it IS too late. Maybe some engineers could work out smoother traffic flows, if that hasn't already been tried.

              Sweet innocents...one visitor asked me why you couldn't just drive from O'ahu to Maui. Amazing. I think technology for Star Trek transporters will be developed before technology for laying a tube or a bridge (my God!) from O'ahu to Maui. But 100 years from now...who knows?

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              • Re: Rail Transit

                Originally posted by Kalalau View Post
                But in reading a little Honolulu history I see it had a public transport rail system of up to 12 miles, begun in the late 1880's. This was news to me. Does anybody know when and why it was discontinued? Once those right of ways are gone replacing them is incredibly expensive. On the mainland in the '50's a conglomerate of General Motors, Firestone Tires, and one of the oil companies bought up public transit rail systems all over the country, Anyway, what about the Honolulu system?
                http://www.streetcardays.com/index.html

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                • Re: Rail Transit

                  Thank you very much!

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                  • Re: Rail Transit

                    "UCLA Prof. Brian Taylor doesn't have a stake in the battle over Oahu's transit future. However, the transportation policy and planning expert does offer a unique perspective on what would be best for the island's transit needs – the city's proposed $5.3 billion rail project, or a bus rapid transit system.

                    "When you look at the size of Honolulu (and) you look at the transportation problem they're seeking to solve, BRT is almost certainly a better investment," Taylor said Friday in a telephone interview with KITV4..."

                    Read more: http://www.kitv.com/news/hawaii/UCLA...#ixzz29r7yRsib

                    Bus Rapid Transit truly does make more sense and be a better investment in Oahu's need than RAIL.
                    Life is either an adventure... or you're not doing it right!!!

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                    • Re: Rail Transit

                      Originally posted by Menehune Man View Post
                      Bus Rapid Transit truly does make more sense and be a better investment in Oahu's need than RAIL.
                      Which begs the question why is The Bus doing what everybody agrees is a psych move on the masses to exert a more favorable attitude for rail by maximizing riders per bus so many are frequently standing? They've been in cahoots with pro-rail all along and not only are they pissing off the public they're losing veteran drivers to all the route changes and internal grumbles that have them fed up. Talk to a bus driver/s, it's pretty interesting.
                      https://www.facebook.com/Bobby-Ingan...5875444640256/

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                      • Re: Rail Transit

                        Full Funding Grant Agreement Vote for Rail Honolulu City Council
                        The last votes on rail -2012.
                        Life is either an adventure... or you're not doing it right!!!

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                        • Re: Rail Transit

                          RAIL - The Biggest Mistake of the 21st Century.
                          I'm still here. Are you?

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                          • Re: Rail Transit

                            Will the rail ever be built? Will it be planned so that it provides transportation to one of the main needs on Oahu (UH Manoa campus)? Has the window of opportunity passed now due to our losing Sen. Inouye? Is this latest criticism by a federal judge "very good news" to those oppose the rail?

                            SA breaking news (so the link won't last long):

                            A federal judge wrote a scathing letter this week criticizing the direction of Honolulu’s rail project and saying rail officials have failed to follow a federal court order. Chief U.S. District Judge Susan Oki Mollway contends that the route transit officials chose, ending at Ala Moana Center, fails to meet the project’s original expressed purpose because it doesn’t serve the University of Hawaii’s Manoa campus, and the thousands of students, professors and employees who gather there.
                            “In fact, given the economy, sequestration, the loss of Senator (Daniel) Inouyes’ influence, and other intervening factors, it is realistic to question whether the extension to UH Manoa will ever be built.”
                            Now run along and play, but don’t get into trouble.

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                            • Re: Rail Transit

                              There's no justification for rail as we know it currently. It won't serve the population of Oahu but a fraction of one lick, but it'll destroy so much.
                              Thanx, Mufi!
                              Disney's concept would have been a great refference point for Oahu rail way back in the '50s.
                              https://www.facebook.com/Bobby-Ingan...5875444640256/

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                              • Re: Rail Transit

                                As one of thousands of commuters that pass through the Waiawa Interchange (where H-1 and H-2 meet), it's hard not to marvel at the massive rail columns towering overhead (and reaching further and further overhead). I enjoyed this story on KHON about the structures:

                                http://khon2.com/2015/04/15/hart-say...looming-above/

                                Of course, after all the reassurances that the construction is safe, a few days later, cracked concrete along the rail line is the talk of the town:

                                http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/2...long-rail-line

                                http://khon2.com/2015/04/16/hart-to-...k-in-concrete/

                                Maybe I won't be so eager to drive under these things.

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