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  • Frankie's Market
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    Originally posted by Moto View Post
    One of the problems I can see with having the furlough days too close together is, the paycheck gets increasingly smaller. For example if you lose two or three days in a pay period, it may be too much of a cut for that pay period for the worker to absorb.
    OTOH, the months when there would be no furlough days would make up for this. At the end, no matter how the furlough days are spaced out, it's the same number of days and $$$$ we are talking about. I mean, I'm assuming the UPW members are adults and know how to budget for themselves, riiight?

    Or the UPW leadership could just stick to their guns and say, to heck with the welfare of the kids.

    Combine this with the boneheads over at IBEW who orchestrated the ill-timed HECO strike,.... and labor union members wonder why so many people are beginning to hate their guts.

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  • Amati
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    Originally posted by Kaonohi View Post
    Even private schools in Hawaii are i9n danger. My son was bullied mercilessly...
    Kaonohi, the big question is was the cafeteria fully staffed so that the bullies were well fed?

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  • Kaonohi
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    Even private schools in Hawaii are i9n danger.
    My son was bullied mercilessly at St. Marks School in Kaneohe - and threatened to not tell us about it. The mothers of the two major bullies were the playground monitors, to boot!
    My son has recovered nicely, but we never got any satisaction from the school. It was all denied, his word vs. theirs.
    Naturally, we pulled him out, ASAP!

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  • anapuni808
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    Originally posted by tutusue View Post
    See post #13!
    sorry, that post didn't show earlier. Thanks! and thanks Sayuri for answering me - was just curious.

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  • Moto
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    Originally posted by Sayuri View Post
    That is true. A solution would be for the workers to take the time off during spring break and summer but UPW is insisting it needs to be taken two days a month. There are some month with no non instructional days so those are the days that the crews will be running shorthanded while there are students on campus.
    One of the problems I can see with having the furlough days too close together is, the paycheck gets increasingly smaller. For example if you lose two or three days in a pay period, it may be too much of a cut for that pay period for the worker to absorb.

    This is a little off topic, but whenever the state (or the feds for that matter) try to fix a budget shortfall by cutting jobs or furloughs, it is not a 100% recovery to the budget, for they will lose the tax revenue that the affected worker would have paid.

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  • D'Alani
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    Maybe the rank and file need to somehow get new leadership. It seems that the work/directed leave schedule is not what they the members thought it would be. I feel the union leadership is totally responsible for this.

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  • Sayuri
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    Originally posted by Honoruru View Post
    I take it that since this is a furlough situation, a substitute replacement would not be called in, since that would defeat the purpose of a furlough, which is to save money. Is that correct?
    That is true. A solution would be for the workers to take the time off during spring break and summer but UPW is insisting it needs to be taken two days a month. There are some month with no non instructional days so those are the days that the crews will be running shorthanded while there are students on campus.

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  • tutusue
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    Originally posted by anapuni808 View Post
    Sayuri - will you please not ignore me and just answer my question please? see post #7 from earlier today. just curious.
    See post #13!

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  • anapuni808
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    Sayuri - will you please not ignore me and just answer my question please? see post #7 from earlier today. just curious.
    Last edited by anapuni808; January 11, 2012, 08:47 PM.

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  • Honoruru
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    Originally posted by Sayuri View Post
    When a staff member is on vacation or sick a substitute is called in. Similar to when a teacher calls in sick.
    I take it that since this is a furlough situation, a substitute replacement would not be called in, since that would defeat the purpose of a furlough, which is to save money. Is that correct?

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  • Sayuri
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    Originally posted by GeckoGeek View Post
    They may need to schedule some simpler meals those days.

    What do they do when someone calls in sick?
    Even with simpler meals, its still a lot of work to feed 300 students.

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  • Sayuri
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    Originally posted by Amati View Post
    Were options presented by the union for members to vote on? I realize that the final contract states what-is-what now, but didn't members get to vote during decision making? Those choices are what I'm wondering about, and how the members responded. [IF members had the opportunity to have a voice, that is!]
    The members at my school told me when it was presented it was vague. They knew they would have to take 14 days Directed leave without pay but they were told it wouldn't affect daily operations. After they ratified UPW came up with the schedule.

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  • Sayuri
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    Originally posted by anapuni808 View Post
    Sayuri - are you a teacher at the school?
    Yes I teach at that school. The faculty and staff are pretty tight so we know whats going on. We are very concerned about the welfare of the workers having to go above and beyond to cover for the people on leave and for the students who will be subject to the conditions that can result from this.

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  • Sayuri
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    Originally posted by Leo Lakio View Post
    Different staff will be gone on different days, yes? Or are all of them gone at the same time?

    If they are down one or two people at a facility for a day or two, with the remaining staff still there, how different is this from covering for a co-worker who is on vacation or sick leave that particular day?
    Yes one staff member per day. The school I work at has two cafeteria workers so for four days one person has to cook, bake, serve breakfast, lunch and clean up. The custodial crew has 3 people so for six days 1/3 of the campus will be without coverage.

    When a staff member is on vacation or sick a substitute is called in. Similar to when a teacher calls in sick.

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  • Amati
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    Originally posted by Pohaku View Post
    Simpler than chick patty on bun?
    Chicken nuggets and steamed rice?

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