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  • #76
    Re: Deadly Flu Virus

    Enforcement would be a challenge. I would venture to guess that many nurses and other health care workers would toss in their licenses rather than leave their families at such a time. And just how would they KEEP the health care workers at the treatment centers? Shackles, threats, armed guards? Now really.

    Health care workers are human beings, after all. Put the angelic portrayals aside, please. Yes, we are pledged to do our very best to assist the sick and dying but I don't recall signing anything that required me to give my life as a condition of employment. If a virus is so highly transmittable that virtually all who come in contact with it are in extreme danger of being infected and passing it on to loved ones and others, I could foresee health care workers bolting the hell out of that environment in droves. It is human nature, survival instinct---supercedes any employment contract, oath, or professional license.

    Simply stated, we do not have the resources to deal with a huge pandemic. Not enough personnel, equipment---the logistics suck. People are going to die, period. As ugly as it sounds, triaging will be done to separate those with dismal prognoses from those who are viable.
    Last edited by WindwardOahuRN; June 11, 2006, 09:01 AM.

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    • #77
      Re: Deadly Flu Virus

      What if you were forced to work? Or put in jail, for refusing to? Those are the sort of noises, coming from Canada.
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      • #78
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        One more human to human case, this time in China. A truck driver. Gotta hope that he doesn't have the easily spread type, and has driven all over, spreading it.
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        • #79
          Re: Deadly Flu Virus

          The Hong Kong Government is 'quite concerned', as it seems that this truck driver may have been in contact with trucks and drivers coming into/going out of Hong Kong. Plus, it doesn't seem as if this sick man has had any contact with chickens.

          So....that leaves pigs, cats, other mammals...humans. Human to human transmission has now been admitted, albeit weak transmission, in Indonesia.
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          • #80
            Re: Deadly Flu Virus

            Originally posted by SusieMisajon
            What if you were forced to work? Or put in jail, for refusing to? Those are the sort of noises, coming from Canada.
            I haven't heard these noises from Canada. And as I said before, anything like what you are talking about would be unenforceable. If a health care worker does not want to TOUCH a person with the Avian flu, how the hell is anyone going to make them do it? Will the enforcers march a quivering nurse into the courtyard and put a bullet through his or her head as an example to other rebellious health care workers? Shoot the offender's family members one by one until the worker caves?

            It's not going to happen.

            Forfeit the license to practice and the dispute is over.

            Puhleeeeze.

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            • #81
              Re: Deadly Flu Virus

              Originally posted by WindwardOahuRN
              I haven't heard these noises from Canada. And as I said before, anything like what you are talking about would be unenforceable. If a health care worker does not want to TOUCH a person with the Avian flu, how the hell is anyone going to make them do it? Will the enforcers march a quivering nurse into the courtyard and put a bullet through his or her head as an example to other rebellious health care workers? Shoot the offender's family members one by one until the worker caves?

              It's not going to happen.

              Forfeit the license to practice and the dispute is over.

              Puhleeeeze.
              Put you in jail. Quarantine the hospital, with you in it.

              Hang on a bit, I'll just go and look at what they're plannng...
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              • #82
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                Originally posted by SusieMisajon
                Put you in jail. Quarantine the hospital, with you in it.

                Hang on a bit, I'll just go and look at what they're plannng...
                Ah well. Whatever.

                If a place is quarantined then whoever is in there at the time will just have to stay put. It's always been that way---it is a violation of the law to go against quarantine. If I get stuck in a hospital under quarantine then I guess that's where I will be stuck. No choice about it.

                That is a far different scenario than the rounding up of health care workers and hauling them off to hospitals and treatment centers.

                Frankly, my panties shall remain calmly un-bunched for the time being. I am just not all that prone to Henny-Penny histrionics. Serves me quite well, especially in the area in which I work.

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                • #83
                  Re: Deadly Flu Virus

                  Originally posted by SusieMisajon
                  Put you in jail. Quarantine the hospital, with you in it.

                  Hang on a bit, I'll just go and look at what they're plannng...
                  It was in The London Free Press, Wed. 14 June, 06. By John Miner, Freepress Health Reporter.

                  Bill 56, £100,000/year in prison, for each day missed.
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                  • #84
                    Re: Deadly Flu Virus

                    Originally posted by SusieMisajon
                    It was in The London Free Press, Wed. 14 June, 06. By John Miner, Freepress Health Reporter. Bill 56, £100,000/year in prison, for each day missed.
                    Originally posted by SusieMisajon
                    What if you were forced to work? Or put in jail, for refusing to? Those are the sort of noises, coming from Canada.
                    So...UK then, not Canada?

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                    • #85
                      Re: Deadly Flu Virus

                      Originally posted by Leo Lakio
                      So...UK then, not Canada?
                      No, it's Canada...I think that there's a London there, too. Kinda like Paris, Texas, I guess.
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                      • #86
                        Re: Deadly Flu Virus

                        Originally posted by SusieMisajon
                        It was in The London Free Press, Wed. 14 June, 06. By John Miner, Freepress Health Reporter.

                        Bill 56, £100,000/year in prison, for each day missed.
                        Oh for heaven's sake. More Henny-Penny stuff.

                        A little research reveals the intent and content of the PROPOSED bill (and do you seriously think the Doc Lobbies of any country's government would sit still for such legislation?):

                        http://www.cmaj.ca/news/22b_03_06.shtml

                        :::Panties remain unbunched:::

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                        • #87
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                          Originally posted by SusieMisajon
                          No, it's Canada...I think that there's a London there, too. Kinda like Paris, Texas, I guess.
                          Well, there's a London, Ontario --- but Canadians use their own dollars, and this fine was listed in pounds, so I was confused. But WORN's link confirms that it's Canada.
                          Last edited by Leo Lakio; June 14, 2006, 10:47 AM. Reason: into the light

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                          • #88
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                            All said....it shows that those in charge are concerned. THEY have their knickers in a twist, even if some of us don't.
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                            • #89
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                              Originally posted by WindwardOahuRN
                              Oh for heaven's sake. More Henny-Penny stuff.

                              A little research reveals the intent and content of the PROPOSED bill (and do you seriously think the Doc Lobbies of any country's government would sit still for such legislation?):

                              http://www.cmaj.ca/news/22b_03_06.shtml

                              :::Panties remain unbunched:::
                              Has the place where you work gone 'Henny-Penny', or have they not done any pandemic planning?

                              Just wondering.
                              Last edited by helen; June 14, 2006, 12:21 PM. Reason: Placing a missing ]
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                              • #90
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                                Originally posted by SusieMisajon
                                Has the place where you work gone 'Henny-Penny', or have they not done any pandemic planning?

                                Just wondering.
                                Here's some info on what's been going on in Hawaii as far as pandemic preparation goes:

                                http://www.hawaii.gov/health/family-...ndemicflu.html

                                No Henny-Penny activity noted, nor expected. Panic is just not a productive reaction in the health-care field. Most panic-prone folks are weeded out of the business pretty quickly, IME. They either leave of their own accord or are slapped to death by their co-workers.

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