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  • nikki
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    Originally posted by ericncyn View Post
    i don't take lightly to people telling me to chill or lighten up in terms of my reaction to a pathetic excuse for a "comedic" comment about my ethnicity when it's only point is to insult, dismiss and disrespect.
    Point taken. I apologize for being insensitive in my comments.

    Still hurts to be called 'stupid' for making a typo, but oh well.

    I have a feeling I'm not welcome here anymore. Nice knowing you and and everyone.

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  • cynsaligia
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    Originally posted by nikki View Post
    As I said before, I was relating what my former coworker said about his nurse wife and physician bosses. Sorry about my typo about MDs owning $5 million dollar cars. I was only teasing you about your typo... didn't you see my smilie? But, I didn't call you 'stupid' for it.

    I'm not disparaging nurses... where did you get that idea? I work among them in my building, and they are the most wonderful people... full of love and *humor*. Why would you think I'd be jealous of them? I could not do their job in a million years. I'm glad to hear you tell me that they earn more than $60,000. When my coworker told me what his wife earned, I almost told him she was way underpaid, but he was so proud of her that I didn't.

    Anyway, thanks for letting me express my opinion and thoughts. And thank you for not telling me to lick your ass... my aged eyes couldn't believe it was coming from you. Until I read that, I used to envision you as beautiful and intelligent.
    all fine and good. prior to this thread, your posts never left a memorable impression, but i certainly know how i felt when you said this:

    Originally posted by nikki View Post
    ...it's just a stupid joke. People should chill.
    Originally posted by tikiyaki View Post

    I say lighten up.
    Originally posted by nikki View Post
    I agree. Thank you.
    i don't take lightly to people telling me to chill or lighten up in terms of my reaction to a pathetic excuse for a "comedic" comment about my ethnicity when it's only point is to insult, dismiss and disrespect.

    for the record, i never asked any HTer in particular to lick my dirty ass. that was directed at "anyone who wants to make blanket statements about the inferiority of physician training in the PI versus in the US, or about the inferiority of filipino physicians who learned their trade in the US and now practice as MDs in the US." kamuelakea obviously counts himself in that camp and thinks flip MDs are inferior. additionally, it seems to me he's rather obsessed with opportunity to ingest feces. i make one remark, and it informs a good number of his posts thereafter. it's no wonder--crap's what often comes out of his mouth anyway.

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  • nikki
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    Originally posted by ericncyn View Post
    it's apparent i know much more about the subject than you do.

    most of the nurses i work with are regular RNs, not even NPs, and they live on halekoa drive in multimillion dollar homes themselves, are spending big bucks adding another story to their home, and drive two luxury cars of mid-range (they're not just driving the lowest range Lexus IS--they've got the benz with the AMG engine.

    the $500 million might be my typo, but at least it's a typo. you're the one who makes the outlandishly stupid assertion that MDs can afford $5 million dollar cars. i'm don't even think there there are more than five cars worth $500,000 on this island.

    and if all the nurses you know live in rentals or modest homes, it's not bcs they're making small potatoes. there are lots of factors that people use to decide where they live. not everyone who makes six figs has a desire to live in kahala.

    for all your disparagement of nurses, i'd guess you're jealous of your coworker's wife's $60,000 salary, which is easily going to go up with every year. they are union, after all.
    As I said before, I was relating what my former coworker said about his nurse wife and physician bosses. Sorry about my typo about MDs owning $5 million dollar cars. I was only teasing you about your typo... didn't you see my smilie? But, I didn't call you 'stupid' for it.

    I'm not disparaging nurses... where did you get that idea? I work among them in my building, and they are the most wonderful people... full of love and *humor*. Why would you think I'd be jealous of them? I could not do their job in a million years. I'm glad to hear you tell me that they earn more than $60,000. When my coworker told me what his wife earned, I almost told him she was way underpaid, but he was so proud of her that I didn't.

    Anyway, thanks for letting me express my opinion and thoughts. And thank you for not telling me to lick your ass... my aged eyes couldn't believe it was coming from you. Until I read that, I used to envision you as beautiful and intelligent.

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  • cynsaligia
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    Originally posted by nikki View Post
    $500 million dollar cars?

    Thanks for the lesson. I don't doubt what you know on the subject. I was repeating what my former coworker said. But, why do NPs here live in rentals or modest homes... why don't they buy multi-million dollar homes like all the doctors do? And drive '$500 million dollar cars'?
    it's apparent i know much more about the subject than you do.

    most of the nurses i work with are regular RNs, not even NPs, and they live on halekoa drive in multimillion dollar homes themselves, are spending big bucks adding another story to their home, and drive two luxury cars of mid-range (they're not just driving the lowest range Lexus IS--they've got the benz with the AMG engine.

    the $500 million might be my typo, but at least it's a typo. you're the one who makes the outlandishly stupid assertion that MDs can afford $5 million dollar cars. i'm don't even think there there are more than five cars worth $500,000 on this island.

    and if all the nurses you know live in rentals or modest homes, it's not bcs they're making small potatoes. there are lots of factors that people use to decide where they live. not everyone who makes six figs has a desire to live in kahala.

    for all your disparagement of nurses, i'd guess you're jealous of your coworker's wife's $60,000 salary, which is easily going to go up with every year. they are union, after all.

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  • MixedPlateBroker
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    Originally posted by kamuelakea View Post
    Most are in the 200000 to 500000 ranges for mid-career M.Ds.
    Bahahahhahaha. You actually think General Practitioners in Hawaii make that much?! You're out of your coconut tree, brah. Too bad you're wrong though. There was an article in one of the dailies -- I'll let you practice you Googling skills again -- earlier this year about the severe shortage of GPs (not so much the specialists; you got it backwards) on the Big Island as many have closed shop. Guess why.
    Thanks for the laugh though. I needed that.

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  • nikki
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    Originally posted by ericncyn View Post
    here endeth the lesson on why, generally speaking, the average NP takes home more money than the average GP.

    i'm still thinking none of them are driving $500 million dollar cars, tho. *smirk*
    $500 million dollar cars?

    Thanks for the lesson. I don't doubt what you know on the subject. I was repeating what my former coworker said. But, why do NPs here live in rentals or modest homes... why don't they buy multi-million dollar homes like all the doctors do? And drive '$500 million dollar cars'?
    Last edited by nikki; November 8, 2007, 05:12 AM.

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    Originally posted by ericncyn View Post
    here endeth the lesson on why, generally speaking, the average NP takes home more money than the average GP.
    Hi Stinky Okole You,

    This was alot of work for nothing. Your conclusion above is not only false but it does not even follow from your pathetic attempt at an arguement. You forgot to list what doctors earn. You cannot make a comparison of MD and Nurse pay without listing doctor pay. I'm not looking it up cuz I know what the answer is and it is obvious. Most are in the 200000 to 500000 ranges for mid-career M.Ds.

    Then the only M.D.s you select for malpractice insurance examples are the obstetricians and orthopedists, the guys with the outrageous rates. Most M.Ds don't have the same level of problem. Or are all Filipino trained Doctors who come to the U.S. obstetricians or orthopedic surgeons? I doubt it.

    I would agree that the difference between what an M.D. makes and what a nurse makes is much closer in Hawaii, thanks to socialized medicine but Doctors STILL earn more, even after costs. If not, there would be no more Doctors in Hawaii. While there is a shortage, especially in some specialties, they haven't all left,......yet.

    Didn't you go to Iolani? Isn't that my memory. Cuz this public school grad gives your argumentative essay a D.
    Last edited by kamuelakea; November 8, 2007, 04:45 AM.

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  • cynsaligia
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    Originally posted by tikiyaki View Post
    It may be offensive, but people actually DO say things like that, and if her character is a ditz, then this is something likely to come out of her mouth. If people get uptight and PC about everything on TV, TV will really start become even more lame than it already is.

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    I think the statement offends the Phillipine government, laws, and standards of practice and not so much it's people.

    I say lighten up.
    i never said be PC. in fact, i've already said that the class action lawsuit is overkill, regardless of the fact that i'm glad my people didn't just let the comment slide.

    i enjoy on-the-edge humor. i count family guy, american dad, and the aforementioned archie bunker amongst my favorite shows and guess what? there's tons of offensive humor to go around. the difference? there's a point to be made, which usually is that no matter how weird an ethnic group might be or how stinky their food is, they're still people, and people, generally, are good and kind and wonderful. good ethnic humor points out the similarities that transcend the differences.

    a few nights ago, steve on american dad lamented that his wife's adoptive parents were chinese, in all their stereotypic glory, down keeping a bunch of fireworks stashed, to hanging ducks in the window, to washing used paper towels so they could be reused. in disgust, he went in search of francine's biological parents, who turned out to have given her up as an infant bcs she inconvenienced their vacation. the eppy ended with steve having revelations that just cause francine's adoptive parents are objectionable to him in certain ways, he'd much prefer them over her biological parents as in-laws.

    the line that teri hatcher spat out was nuanced in its offensiveness. first of all, she's saying it as an insult to an american physician who is white, with the implication that because he's suggesting she might be starting menopause, he's an inferior MD who couldn't have been able to grad from an american med school. secondly, taking a larger view, this is a largely popular first-world television show taking a shot at a third world nation's ability to educate its physicians. remember now, that for a time, the US colonized the PI, so for PI nationals, this is pulling off a scab. to reduce it to being offensive only to "PI laws, government, and standards of practice" versus its people is flat out ignorant. people's identities are closely tied with their nation, government and educational standards. those are all things which are a matter of national pride, and no nationality or ethnicity (there's a difference b/w the two) would take any summarily dismissive criticism as the one made on DH laying down. how would our nation react if word got out that a wildly popular german show said something like, "german cars are too good for the US. not only are they bad at engineering cars--they're bad at engineering highways! ha!ha!ha!" can we say american boycott of all things german--cars, chocolate cake, and beer?? we wouldn't care if the character who said it was largely viewed as an oaf who says nothing but the wrong things. i bet some fringe group would even demand a complete trade embargo.

    specifically about education in the PI: as mike pointed out, it's dumb for any american to assume that the average filipino isn't as well educated as s/he is. first of all, many filipinos do not speak the national language at home, so they learn that at school. but they also learn english. most filipinos from the PI of a certain age and education level are at the very least, bilingual if not trilingual, as well as fluent in english. how many of you can speak more than english fluently?


    Originally posted by nikki View Post
    Well, I know you'd disagree, but I can just hear Andy, Frank, etc. saying, "Eh, where you wen medical school... in da Philippines?" And yes, I would laugh. It's just a joke.
    i, too, can see andy and frank using the same line. the thing is, andy, who is not only filipino himself but a far more artful comedian, would actually be funny. frank? he can't even fill a room based on his own merit. that's why, besides private parties, you almost always see him paired up with another comedian or another performer. compared to rex, andy, and paul--frank's just a joke.

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  • cynsaligia
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    Originally posted by nikki View Post
    As for nurses earning more than the average doctor... My coworker used to brag that his nurse wife made over $60,000 a year. Which I didn't think was much, since she worked double shift. Meanwhile, her physician bosses live in 5 million dollar homes and own cars that cost more than their house.
    really? your coworker's nurse wife's bosses own cars that cost $5 mil? i thought only elite car collectors were spendy in that stratosphere. a Bentley Azure Convertible Mulliner, which Forbes.com calls one of ten most expensive cars in the world, goes for the bargain price of $376,485.

    oh, you meant the doctors drove cars that cost more than your coworker's home! silly.

    eric said "nurse practitioner" (NP), not just "nurse" and "general practitioner," not just "doctor." he said "earns more...after expenses." how does he know this? ah--he doesn't rely on anecdotal evidence or assumptions. he's a mortgage broker. after years in the business, he's seen documented take-home pay figures for just about every occupation in town. unlike other posters, we don't require HTers to take our assertions at face value. i'm happy to give you some properly attributed numbers.

    a staff RN might make $60,000 a year, true. but let me throw some more figures at you. an RN at queen's with 13-19 months experience makes about $70,000 a year. a 32 year old RN i work with currently makes just short of $100,000 annually as a manager. this year, a kaiser NP who works less than 40 hours a week makes $102,731. she lives in an area where homes cost about $650,000 versus the easy million they are on oahu. and then, of course, there are certified nurse anesthetists. CRNAs with less than five years experience make about $160,000 according to a very recent survey by locumtenens.com. tonight, i checked with the HR director at my work and it's not unusual for us to pay a CRNA $90 an hour--$187,200 a year.

    what do general practitioners (GPs) make? about as much as a CRNA. but the GP will need to get liability insurance before she can even bring a patient through the door. i couldn't find quotes on annual cost for GPs' malpractice insurance, but the advertiser link eric provided earlier said that an OB-GYN was quoted $60,000 and that was in 2005. an orthopedic surgeon told PBN in 2001 that he received quotes from $42,000 to $129,000. given the ortho surgeon's story, i'd say it's safe to assume a fifth of the GP's salary could go to malpractice insurance alone.

    but wait! malpractice insurance isn't the only overhead cost a GP would have to pay. most physicians are not employed by hospitals but are self-employed. therefore, a GP will likely pay an office lease, buy her own health insurance and spent $$ on employee expenses (salaries, health insurance, workers' comp insurance). the list of overhead costs goes on, and there goes a significant chunk of that six figure income.

    nurses of all kinds, however, don't have that kind of overhead, since the organizations they work for provide health insurance, workers comp, etc. as i pointed out before, most nurses don't even need to buy liability insurance bcs their employer's insurance covers them.

    here endeth the lesson on why, generally speaking, the average NP takes home more money than the average GP.

    i'm still thinking none of them are driving $500 million dollar cars, tho. *smirk*

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  • CranBeree
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    i dunno i don't find Frank funny at all. i don't like da braddahs and friends or augie t either, but hey thats just me. i do enjoy paul and rex.

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  • nikki
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    Originally posted by CranBeree View Post
    true story: back in i forget when the 1990's Frank Delima did a show for the Young Laundry staff and all of them walked out...why? because they didn't find his ethnic jokes funny.
    Oh yeah, you just reminded me. A coworker went to see Frank Delima last year. She said she was so disappointed because he didn't do any ethnic jokes. The main reason she wanted to see him was to hear him make fun of her race, her age, her job, her gender. I think it's sad that we can't laugh at ourselves.

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  • CranBeree
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    Originally posted by nikki View Post
    Well, I know you'd disagree, but I can just hear Andy, Frank, etc. saying, "Eh, where you wen medical school... in da Philippines?" And yes, I would laugh. It's just a joke.

    As for nurses earning more than the average doctor... My coworker used to brag that his nurse wife made over $60,000 a year. Which I didn't think was much, since she worked double shift. Meanwhile, her physician bosses live in 5 million dollar homes and own cars that cost more than their house.
    true story: back in i forget when the 1990's Frank Delima did a show for the Young Laundry staff and all of them walked out...why? because they didn't find his ethnic jokes funny.

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  • nikki
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    Originally posted by MixedPlateBroker View Post
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    A Filipino script writer would have written a humorous jab based in fact, not conjecture. That my friends is the objective difference between funny and insulting ethnic humor. I'm sure Paul, Rex, Frank and Andy would back me up on that. Of course anyone who thinks the aforementioned comedians crack jokes that are insulting to Filipinos is also probably too obtuse to comprehend the difference between "-gah" and "-ger" suffixes when it comes to the n-word.

    ....

    As for potshots and assumptions, you reap what you sow. If the line had truly been funny then we wouldn't be having this discussion right now.

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    The average Nurse Practitioner in Hawaii earns more than the average General Practitioner in Hawaii, after expenses.

    Well, I know you'd disagree, but I can just hear Andy, Frank, etc. saying, "Eh, where you wen medical school... in da Philippines?" And yes, I would laugh. It's just a joke.

    As for nurses earning more than the average doctor... My coworker used to brag that his nurse wife made over $60,000 a year. Which I didn't think was much, since she worked double shift. Meanwhile, her physician bosses live in 5 million dollar homes and own cars that cost more than their house.

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  • MixedPlateBroker
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    Originally posted by tikiyaki View Post
    C'mon. Are you REALLY this upset about this ?

    How do you know the writer of the episode wasn't Filipino him/herself ?

    Besides, what would deem any ethnic joke "truly funny" in your eyes, if you are so convinced that Hollywood is a bunch of WASPS writing Uncle Tom-esque jokes about the "minorities" ?
    Puulleeze....Anyone who knows anything about Hollywood knows the Jews run Hollywood.

    Actually, the film and tv business is pretty diverse as far as the working people go. But like I said earlier, this incident was no pot shot at the PEOPLE of the Phillipines. It was at the infrastructure/educational practices and standards. There was no reference to race, skin color, cultural customs ar anything else pertaining to the people.

    Once again...lighten up.
    Originally posted by kamuelakea View Post
    I've heard much more offensive Filipino humor right here in beautiful Hawaii Nei from the mouths of Frank Delima, Andy Bumatai etc etc. They attack accents, culture, people (Imelda), food. They go right to the core of insulting what it means to be Filipino.
    Originally posted by kamuelakea View Post

    This was mearly a comment made based upon the assumption (accurate or not) that the education received in the country of the Philippines is not equal to the education received in the USA. Obviously most people in the Philippine medical schools are Filipino but the comment really didn't attack them personally.

    If you want to bring down insulting Filipino humor, you will need to start right here in Hawaii folks. WHy the pass for Frank Delima?
    Actually, I'm not upset at all. I just get passionate when it comes to dispersing truths.

    A Filipino script writer would have written a humorous jab based in fact, not conjecture. That my friends is the objective difference between funny and insulting ethnic humor. I'm sure Paul, Rex, Frank and Andy would back me up on that. Of course anyone who thinks the aforementioned comedians crack jokes that are insulting to Filipinos is also probably too obtuse to comprehend the difference between "-gah" and "-ger" suffixes when it comes to the n-word.

    If you re-read my post you'll see that I said "network programming is, for the most part, WASP-centric ..." I never mentioned who pulls the strings. I just assumed everyone already knew. Diversity might apply to production and writing personnel, but when it comes to what's shown on network TV -- not so much (the CW notwithstanding).

    As for potshots and assumptions, you reap what you sow. If the line had truly been funny then we wouldn't be having this discussion right now.

    Originally posted by kamuelakea View Post
    Bully,
    Originally posted by kamuelakea View Post

    No wonder you one Mortgage Borker(sp?). You can use numbers and make 2 + 2 = 1.

    Let me go slow for you and your honeygurl. Yes, malpractice insurance is more expensive for M.Ds than Nurses. So what? That's one of the many reasons M.Ds are paid more. The only thing that should matter to a Filipino trained M.D. is what they will have in their pocket after expenses? Again, wouldn't an M.D. be able to pay the insurance and yet still have more money? Isn't that what the Isreal, China, Japan or whereever trained MDs do.

    You have still failed to answer the question. Amazing how you Mortgage Brokers can use numbers to try to support anything just to close the deal.

    Keep on keepin on Mortgage guy. Hows business? No worry, Timkona said home prices will keep increasing by 10% until 2016.

    Salamat Po
    Awww, how cute. Falling back on your played out practice of petty name-calling again? Let me go extremely slow since you have a hard time following facts and figures.

    I don't have to answer the question since Mike already did it for me. I simply presented some reading material for you so you could stop embarassing yourself and Hawaii's public school system. So much for trying to be helpful.

    Here's another tip for you: Try Googling (since you're so fond of telling us to) "exchange rate" dollar peso, "medical school cost," "average physician income" Hawaii, "average nurse income" Hawaii, "malpractice insurance premium," "cost of running a medical practice" and actually read through the search results. It might help with your reading comprehension problem.

    If you still have mental constipation after all that, here's the short answer for you: No. The average Nurse Practitioner in Hawaii earns more than the average General Practitioner in Hawaii, after expenses.

    Business is good, btw. Thank you for asking. How's business for you?

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  • 1stwahine
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    Originally posted by kamuelakea View Post
    Hooooe Auntie, plenny action is right. You can call me a prude or sheltered or inexperienced but this is the first time I've been propositioned by a woman to perform anilingus. Used to be only Sole chicks would use that line when day was trying foah beef one Haole or one Japanee.

    Try wait, I gotta go cool off.

    Suckin hotblooded eh, no?
    heheheh

    No make me laugh. I concentrating foa the State Capital this morning. Bumby, I going be giving my testimony den I going tink of this thread. Hala! I going bust out laughing! Foa shua dey going tink I'm Pupule!

    Keep cool everybody and have a nice day!

    Auntie Lynn

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