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    Quote Originally Posted by Miulang View Post
    I think the reason why nobody raised any issues about the YB ro-ros coming in is because it's an enhancement of a current service that is being provided, and for the people and businesses of Maui, it's a critical enhancement, not a new optional service, which is something HSF keeps touting. I'm not saying that that's right thinking, but all the ro-ro is doing is taking the place of the 2 barges that now occupy that side of Pier 2. It wouldn't add any more trips by YB to Kahului. YB could still do 2 barges every week or whatever their schedule is, but those barges would be able to carry more goods per trip.

    If you read the historical information about what goes on at Kahului Harbor, you will understand that all the distribution sites ARE in Honolulu right now. There are no direct shipments from the Mainland to Maui...yet, because even though the population of Maui has grown faster than most of the other islands, there is still a perception that the population couldn't support direct shipments from the Mainland. All goods are shipped JIT from Honolulu so the businesses on Maui don't have to pay for storage. Warehousing space is also impossible to find in the immediate area because it has all been developed, except for Kanaha Pond, which can never be developed because it's the habitat for some endangered species of Hawaiian stilts.
    Good explanation but there is a flaw, how is a RoRo considered a vital enhancement? From that article I read in the Advertiser, it appears that barge only carries vehicles, nothing else. How is that vital to Maui's fuel and food lifeline? I honestly think there is a lot of special interest hidden in the anti-HF camp.

    And thanks for clarifying that Maui uses a JIT system of shipping fuel and goods. If anything, that only reaffirms my belief that HF will provide an even quicker JIT system because the trucks can now be loaded at the distribution center in the early morning hours on Oahu, hop on the HF, and basically arrive at store location on Maui by mid-day. That's a lot quicker than repacking goods into a container and then shipped via YB barge. Or for some reason, if the shipment is so vital, Aloha Cargo.

    I still say that Kahului Harbor just simply needs to grow into the canoe paddling area. It's inevitable because of population growth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miulang View Post
    Those 1,000 cars on the YB barges will mostly be new cars for sale or cars destined for the car rental agencies. New cars are replacement vehicles for older cars, in most cases, so there would be minimal increase in additional traffic from those because they will sit on lots for awhile before being sold, not driven on highways
    On what do you base that assumption? Contrary to your hypothesis, you'll find that the huge increase in population means that more and more new and used cars are required. You don't lose an old car for each new car sold. Simply not true.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miulang View Post
    The comment period for input ends next month, and the draft will be published in June or July
    No, the Belt Collins site says that the proposed publication date is June or July, not that it "will be". Big big difference, and an easy escape route for BC with the typical delays that happen on small projects, much less something as big as this.
    And of what value is the draft? As I recall, the draft then goes through numerous public hearings, gets revised, goes through more hearings... I presume the process will take many years before a final, approved EIS is issued.
    As almost everyone has said, I'm all for the EIS... as long as it's applied equally and doesn't maliciously single out the SuperFerry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miulang View Post
    I think the reason why nobody raised any issues about the YB ro-ros coming in is because it's an enhancement of a current service that is being provided, and for the people and businesses of Maui, it's a critical enhancement
    Calling it an enhancement is nothing more than fluffy public relations spin. An enlargement, yes. Expansion, yes. Enhancement, no.
    And I completely and utterly fail to see how bringing in thousands more vehicles can be called "critical". What nonsense. Medical supplies and food would be "critical", but cars? Please.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LikaNui View Post
    Calling it an enhancement is nothing more than fluffy public relations spin. An enlargement, yes. Expansion, yes. Enhancement, no.
    And I completely and utterly fail to see how bringing in thousands more vehicles can be called "critical". What nonsense. Medical supplies and food would be "critical", but cars? Please.
    If you look at YB's current tariff request (filed in Dec.), it states that YB wants to increase fees for LCL loads (24%), refrigerated goods (something like 5%), as well as vehicle transport (5%), although the tariff request states that non-vehicular ro-ro use and standard container rates are not affected.

    The NCL cruise ships can hold anywhere from 2,000-2,400 passengers. Even if only 10% of the passengers rent cars for their 2-day port of call in Kahului, that means an additional 200 cars for each 2-day port of call, not including the cars rented by visitors who arrive by plane. Quite frequently these days, there aren't any rentals available for last minute customers. YB probably put the closed cabin ro-ro ship in operation first, because they can make more money hauling cars and Strykers than they can hauling other goods and they need to recoup their investment. The demand for more rental cars is already there, even without HSF.

    This Star Bulletin story says that the number of YB sailings increased THIRTY SIX percent between 2005 and 2000, which is a testament to the rapid growth and demand for supplies for the residents and businesses on Maui.
    Besides the Kaholo, YB plans to put in operation another brand new flat top barge sometime this year and that one will be used to transport goods.

    According to this YB press release, a $168 million investment announced last year is for 8 new barges and tugs plus upgrades to their facilities in the commercial harbors on all the Neighbor Islands over the next 10 years. The press release doesn't say how many of the new vessels will be replacements for the 10 older barges and 8 tugs that belong to YB and its subsidiary and how many will be a net gain, but as with any going concern, the business has to become more efficient in order to survive. And in the case of YB, the lack of current space at Kahului Harbor is not helping matters. They really want to get out of the LCL business, but even raising rates by the proposed 24% in the tariff request will only be break even for YB.

    If there was some enterprising business that would be willing to take over the LCL business, then maybe the small businesses on Maui wouldn't get shafted, but without crucial warehouse space in the immediate harbor area for dispersing LCL shipments plus the additional cost of transportation to get to the warehouse, it would be too costly for another aggregator company to take over that business without charging more than what YB is charging now. The only large piece of undeveloped land in the immediate area is Kanaha Bird Sanctuary, and that can never be developed because it's the habitat of some endangered Hawaiian stilts (and that's a federal thing).

    So when YB stops accepting LCL loads in a couple of years, as they have the option to do per an agreement with the State, what will small businesses on Maui do to get their shipments? It's not very cost effective for trucking companies to have rigs and drivers in Honolulu accompany the LCL loads on HSF because of the layover time required for the drivers and the rigs due to the sailing schedules of HSF, and HSF refuses to allow unaccompanied cargo loads. One likely outcome unless more facilities are built is that the people and businesses on Maui will experience delays in getting supplies because the harbor as it is configured can't handle additional barges, or they will resort to using air freight, which is very costly, and that cost will get passed on to their customers. Those larger barges would have more problems turning in that small area between Piers 1 and 2 than the 2 smaller barges it replaces, but it is more efficient for YB to have the larger barges so they can cram more goods into one shipment.

    The ro-ro car barge plus the newer barges that YB will be adding to their fleet will probably all be larger than what is currently available, because YB can't (or won't) schedule any more trips to Maui than they are doing now. And I'm pretty sure very few of the barges actually are dedicated to making single-island runs. So if there are 500 cars being transported on that ro-ro, more than likely some of the cars will also end up on the Big Island, according to what I've read, and all those Strykers that might be on the Kaholo would be headed for Kona, not Kahului.

    The only way the draft EIS could delay things at this point is if someone decides to throw a monkeywrench into the public comment phase of the initial fact gathering which ends, I believe, on April 9. But the State Senate's bill says that the EIS is moving forward and there will be no attempt made to keep HSF from commencing service in July as planned. In fact, the Senate bill took out all mention of HSF from its verbiage, so in fact, the EIS will be about the need to look at all possible outcomes for future growth in Kahului Harbor.

    When the draft EIS is published, yes, there will be public hearings again on Maui and possible changes, but by that time, HSF should have started operating. It'll be very interesting to see how the EIS synchs up with the concerns that have already been expressed by the public about the increased usage in the harbor and whether the proposals will look anything like the ones submitted for the Year 2025. Changes have to be made in Kahului Harbor, I think everyone agrees on that point. The battle will be over which of the proposals finally gets accepted and what the cost to the State and the individual commercial users of the harbor will be.

    One of the root causes of all this pilikia is because the PUC governs the business conducted in and between the commercial harbors in Hawai'i but the DOT governs the facilities. And in the case of Kahului Harbor, the PUC recommended that an EIS be done (specifically for HSF) and the DOT said HSF didn't need an EIS. But I see NOTHING anywhere about the DOT saying that a general EIS for Kahului Harbor wasn't needed, but it does admit that Maui's growth and demand for critical goods and fuel outstripped the projections of the 2025 General Plan, and that's what the Dept. of Harbors website is talking about.


    Waaaay back in 1995, the US Army Corps of Engineers did do a survey to investigate whether or not it would be feasible to build another commercial harbor for Maui, to help ease the pressure on Kahului Harbor. There were some recommendations made, but no actions were taken at that time, although there was agreement at the time that if the 2025 harbor plans were rendered inadequate either because of unanticipated growth in the demand for services or because of the necessity to provide an alternate landing for critical goods if Kahului Harbor was ever rendered inoperable due to physical disruptions (tsunami or earthquake) that the issue of revising the 2025 harbor plan would occur.

    Now fast forward to this year and the January 10, 2007 meeting of the Maui Harbor Users' Group. The issue of adequate space for all the users of Kahului Harbor has gotten so critical that maybe they will resurrect the idea of creating a second commercial harbor, possibly in the Oluwalu area, because if Maui's demand for shipping services continues to grow at a rate of 8% annually, there absolutely will be no way that the harbor will be able to continue to handle the traffic beyond 2030 in its current configuration. Based on the transcript of that meeting, I would say that representatives of all the users (including HSF) are really trying their best to figure out a way to allow everybody (including the canoe clubs) to be accommodated. The group that really hasn't been represented in any discussions are the surfers and small boat fishermen who use the West pier boat launch or the people who fish in that harbor. In the transcript, they also discuss the building of a dry dock facility in the area of the West Boat Launch, and there is a general concern about vehicle parking (specifcally rental cars and overnight parking for HSF).

    Again, what's most important to the people and businesses of Maui is getting the things they need to survive and thrive, anything else is window dressing.

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    Maui needing more goods and services and new cars sounds like a problem with overgrowth on a sickeningly large scale.

    And what does this have to do with the ferry? Most riding the ferry are probably going to be people from in-state.

    It seems to me that the ferry really isn't the problem.

    I think you're barking up the wrong tree here, Miulang. Growth on Maui is out of control. I'm not saying that's good or bad, but it sure isn't the ferry's fault. And like I and and others in this thread have written, the ferry won't contribute to traffic (cars are brought over, not rented). The harbor won't be filled with people waiting to pick up passengers (I'd venture to say that most who use it will be bringing vehicles -- carless passengers would be better suited to fly Go!, it's cheaper). The pests won't be a problem (Young Brothers can now pack in 500 pest-infested cars per boatload).

    It's also not the ferry's fault that Kahului Harbor is a confusing hell-hole. The place never was particularly pedestrian friendly (it's a working harbor, after all). Then the cruise ships started coming in, and nothing was ever really done to improve the place. And that was since the '80s. Now that some progress is happening, and growth is off the hook on the island, panic sets in. Again, it's not the ferry's fault. Like I wrote before, they did everything they were legally required to. The ball is rolling. Live with it. Why weren't people wetting themselves when the cruise ships started coming in? And like Lika wrote, why aren't you and others weeping about this new car barge? Personally I don't really care. The cars are coming one way or another. But your hypocritical diatribes are becoming a bit much to handle.

    Sorry, but as one who was born and reared on Maui, it bothers me that you seem so bent on proving how pro-Maui you are, yet you are so vocal against something that can really benefit the people of Maui and their relatives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dick View Post
    Sorry, but as one who was born and reared on Maui, it bothers me that you seem so bent on proving how pro-Maui you are, yet you are so vocal against something that can really benefit the people of Maui and their relatives.
    Let's not forget she is so pro-Maui while living 2,000+ miles away from the island and the state and chirps in from the cold Northwest. The old mother hen thing about knowing what is good for us in Hawaii while living thousands of miles away. That is true support.

    Are the anti-Superferry folk the same people who opposed the expansion of the runway at Kahului Airport? Funny thing is out of the fear that such expansion would bring (like more tourists, more $$$$ spent on Maui, etc.) is that the airlines adjusted, brought in smaller and more planes and made OGG the second busiest airport in Hawaii without any runway expansion.

    OK, sorry I am drifting.... but let's hope the Superferry will not be set adrift by the vocal minority. Save the Superferry!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miulang View Post
    So when YB stops accepting LCL loads in a couple of years, as they have the option to do per an agreement with the State, what will small businesses on Maui do to get their shipments? It's not very cost effective for trucking companies to have rigs and drivers in Honolulu accompany the LCL loads on HSF because of the layover time required for the drivers and the rigs due to the sailing schedules of HSF, and HSF refuses to allow unaccompanied cargo loads. One likely outcome unless more facilities are built is that the people and businesses on Maui will experience delays in getting supplies because the harbor as it is configured can't handle additional barges, or they will resort to using air freight, which is very costly, and that cost will get passed on to their customers. Those larger barges would have more problems turning in that small area between Piers 1 and 2 than the 2 smaller barges it replaces, but it is more efficient for YB to have the larger barges so they can cram more goods into one shipment.
    YB is definitely fluffing things up in regards to the LCL situation. Cost of LCL was heading up regardless of SF's arrival or not. The lack of space at Kahului Harbor already existed without SF. Again, I point to the simple notion that the other half of that harbor used by canoes simply need to be converted. It just makes no logical sense to mix small time pleasure craft with commercial behemoths.

    Since YB is essentially the sole interisland shipper, they have a lot of influence if they wanted to keep LCL. You mentioned lack of space. There is a real simple solution. YB just simply needs to acquire a small piece of land away from the harbor and simply have it as the LCL yard. All the consolidation is done there and when the containers are ready, simply haul it down to the harbor and load them onto the barge and vice-versa. Will that increase cost? Sure it will, but that will be an efficient process because you remove the consolidation process away from the docks, making it safer too.

    SF did not decide to deny trucks without accompanying drivers, the PUC did based on the tariffs set. Since YB is leaving the LCL business regardless, having the SF will actually be a benefit to the small business of Maui. These businesses can lobby with the PUC on revising the tariff rule or maybe if business picks up, SF can schedule more frequent service, thereby eliminating the conundrum of having to leave truck and driver overnight.

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    I can't wait to take my MAMA on the Superferry to visit the other islands.

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    Sheesh. All you guys! It's pretty obvious to me that you guys all are just reading what you want to read in my comments and not really understanding what I'm trying to say. I'm not saying I'm anti-HSF, ferchrissakes! All I want is that freaking EIS for Kahului Harbor!!! And a general EIS means that all commercial customers will have to be evaluated. I've patiently tried to give you links to all the things I could find that are public documents about the situation. The only person who I consider at least willing to look at both sides thus far is Joshuatree (thank you Joshua). The rest of you don't really care what happens to the people of Maui. Did you even go to the link from the Jan. 10 MHUG meeting? Did you read how all the interested parties (including HSF) are now exploring all the options? Probably not, or you wouldn't be saying what you're saying now.

    All public officials---from the Maui County Mayor and Council to the DOT and Gov. Lingle---all admit that there's a serious crisis in Kahului Harbor and that the Master Plan for 2025 was outdated 10 years ago. It's not just because of HSF, or YB or NCL. It's a combination of a lot of different factors, exacerbated by the huge influx of new residents to the County. The so-called NIMBYs--the ones Tim likes to disparage---are the ones who want to slow down the rampant overdevelopment of Maui. Dick, you, of all people, since you have ohana who still live there, and since you visit them often, should KNOW how critical the situation is.

    Given a choice between supporting the needs of the current residents of Maui v. tourists from NCL and HSF, tell me, if you were a resident of Maui, wouldn't you want to selfishly consider your own needs first? Don't tell me you'd be magnanimous and willingly allow your food, medicine and gasoline to cost more or be delayed for the sake of having more tourists visit.

    I've tried to be patient when getting slammed by Lika et al, but now I'm sick and tired of it. This is one of the reasons why there is tension between the Neighbor Islands and Honolulu...Honolulu thinks its needs are greatest because it is currently the population center and the business hub. Will it always be that way? I don't know. But I DO know that the people of the Neighbor Islands are finally finding their voice. And I really have nothing to do with that, but I am glad of it. Maybe now the State can come together and start to deal with issues in a cohesive way instead of having the counties squabbling among themselves and the State government.

    ALL OF YOU WHO ARE RESIDENTS OF HAWAII CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE. But you don't make a difference by only criticizing and whining. At some point, you also have to be willing to contribute ideas and let others explore those ideas along with you. To only criticize and not to propose alternatives is a lame ass way of making a difference. To only state opinions and not have facts to back them up is not a good way to win a debate.

    I'm in the middle of a family crisis right now that will have me back on Maui tomorrow morning. So for the next two weeks, gloat away, because I have no time or patience for whiners.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miulang View Post
    I'm in the middle of a family crisis right now that will have me back on Maui tomorrow morning.
    First and foremost, I'm sure everyone agrees with me in wishing you good luck with the crisis. You will be in our thoughts and prayers.

    It's pretty obvious to me that you guys all are just reading what you want to read in my comments and not really understanding what I'm trying to say.
    Have you considered that the reverse may be true?

    I'm not saying I'm anti-HSF, ferchrissakes!
    This is Chapter 4 of the threads on this topic, and I feel you've made it more-than-abundantly clear that you are dead-set against the SuperFerry.

    All I want is that freaking EIS for Kahului Harbor!!!
    Perhaps you should start a separate thread for that, then? Just a thought.

    The only person who I consider at least willing to look at both sides thus far is Joshuatree (thank you Joshua). The rest of you don't really care what happens to the people of Maui.
    I've said all along that I have certain thoughts and concerns on the SuperFerry and that all I've asked for is fairness in this debate and less of the maybe's and perhaps's.
    As for your second sentence, you're totally wrong in saying we don't care about the people of Maui. And your sentence is another one that can be reversed -- do you care what happens to the people of O`ahu or Kaua`i or the Big Island?

    I've tried to be patient when getting slammed by Lika et al, but now I'm sick and tired of it. This is one of the reasons why there is tension between the Neighbor Islands and Honolulu.
    Whoa! I didn't know I was that powerful. (C'mon, a little levity is needed here.)

    ALL OF YOU WHO ARE RESIDENTS OF HAWAII CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE.
    You're right. And most of us do seem to want the SuperFerry.
    You see, Miulang, you're in Seattle and all you get (or almost all) is what you find online. Until you actually live here full-time and speak to individuals on a daily basis, you can't really know what the population here is thinking or wanting.

    Again, please know that we wish you good luck with your family crisis...

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    One quick thing I wanted to add to my last paragraph (above):
    It can be flawed -- and sometimes dangerous -- to rely too much on the internet. On any given issue, one can find plenty of internet 'sources' to respond to one side or the other of any issue. Selective sourcing is a game that too many people play, depending on what their personal agenda is.
    The truth is often found by stepping away from the keyboard.
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    A very interesting article and poll at this link in today's Star-Bulletin, including these excerpts:

    Headline:
    July 1 start for Superferry wanted by most, poll says

    "The controversial Hawaii Superferry is trying to stave off critics with a new independent poll showing that three out of four residents want the interisland carrier to start on July 1.
    "With just over three months before its planned start of service, Superferry officials released yesterday the results of a new independent poll indicating that four out of five residents favor the interisland travel alternative.
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    "Highlights of the survey include:

    » Nearly 70 percent of residents polled said that a delay of three years -- which Superferry officials say would be needed for the environmental study -- is not acceptable.

    » About 84 percent of residents said they will likely consider using the Superferry for their next visit to a neighbor island.

    » Roughly 75 percent of residents do not want a new law passed if it results in the Superferry canceling service."

    Of course, the article includes the usual anti-SuperFerry whiners chiming in.
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    I just want July to come around and be over with. When that boat starts service, it's gonna show just how overblown the issues claimed by critics are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joshuatree View Post
    I just want July to come around and be over with. When that boat starts service, it's gonna show just how overblown the issues claimed by critics are.

    Well in other words it will be put up or shut up time. I have feeling some of the problems mentioned by opponents will become reality. But only time will tell.
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    A friend won a round trip on the Superferry after it starts service in July. Part of a KHVH / Clear Channel / Hawaii Superferry promotion.... she will be able to take herself and 3 family members as well as her vehicle on a roundtrip via Superferry to any of the 2 neighbor islands it serves. She is tickled pink!

    Another person I know who likes to go hunting and camping can't wait for Superferry to start service so that he can take his vehicle and supplies out into the bush on either Kauai or Maui, and later on to the Big Island. Residents, visitors and businesses will find many uses for the Superferry in ways not conveniently available via Young Brothers or the local airlines.

    It's a good alternative that presents the public with a different option for interisland travel. I hope they succeed in the marketplace.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mel View Post
    A friend won a round trip on the Superferry after it starts service in July. Part of a KHVH / Clear Channel / Hawaii Superferry promotion.... she will be able to take herself and 3 family members as well as her vehicle on a roundtrip via Superferry to any of the 2 neighbor islands it serves. She is tickled pink!

    Another person I know who likes to go hunting and camping can't wait for Superferry to start service so that he can take his vehicle and supplies out into the bush on either Kauai or Maui, and later on to the Big Island. Residents, visitors and businesses will find many uses for the Superferry in ways not conveniently available via Young Brothers or the local airlines.

    It's a good alternative that presents the public with a different option for interisland travel. I hope they succeed in the marketplace.
    I took care of a patient the other day who lives on Kauai. Born and raised there. I was talking with his family and the subject of the difficulty of having a loved one in a hospital on Oahu was discussed.

    They are anticipating the arrival of the Superferry with great delight. They have relatives here and have a place to stay but would love to be able to bring their own car over. There was the mention of "bad stuff coming over from Oahu" but that was a brief mention. The good, as I understood it from the conversation, certainly seemed to outweigh the bad.

    This is the kind of stuff I hear all the time. Honestly, the only vehement negative I have heard was from one patient from Kauai who declared that she would never use it. Why? "Because I am afraid of boats and the ocean."

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    Two SuperFerry articles today.

    First, in today's Los Angeles Times there was a somewhat interesting article on the SuperFerry. Nothing in there that we haven't seen in countless other articles, but the paragraph that caught my eye was:

    "We anticipate that the ferry will be costly, slow, bumpy and not much use to our customers," said David A. Banmiller, president and chief executive of Aloha Airlines. Flights between Honolulu and Maui or Kauai take less than 30 minutes, excluding airport and security line waiting time."

    That, of course, is exactly what you'd expect the President/CEO of Aloha Airlines to say. But he says his airline takes 30 minutes while the SuperFerry would take three hours. Guess he forgot to add in the part about his airline (and all others) telling passengers to arrive at the airports two to three hours ahead of time. Then add in another half-hour wait for baggage at the arrival points, and it's about identical with the time for SuperFerry, including any SF pre-departure time.
    He also says it will be "bumpy". Yeah, like airplanes never have bumpy rides. [/sarcasm] And a bumpy plane ride is typically a helluva lot scarier than a boat ride.
    Then the audacity of him to say the SuperFerry would be "not much use to our customers"! Sheesh.
    Methinks he doth protest too much. And too lamely.

    And I liked these comments in Ray Pendleton's "Waterways" column about the SuperFerry in today's Star-Bulletin:

    "And, there would be at least one major plus. For about three hours aboard this 350-foot vessel, travelers would be able to enjoy the magnificent seascapes of Hawaii that cruise ship passengers pay thousands of dollars to see."

    A good point, though relatively insignificant compared to other benefits, such as this major one:

    "Another factor I hadn't considered until last October's earthquake is how the Superferry's capabilities could be an asset to our state in times of large-scale emergencies.
    "If our counties adopted a system similar to the mutual aid agreements used by most mainland communities, emergency responders and their equipment -- from fire engines to bulldozers -- would be able to move from island to island within hours.
    "Such resource mobility would give emergency planners statewide a whole new set of tools to work with, as well as new strategies and tactics to develop and use."


    Amen to that! Rarely mentioned, but an absolute benefit to the entire state.
    And he points out yet another benefit:

    "Plus, think how it would simplify the logistics for statewide team sports or canoe regattas. The participants would be able to board school buses or vehicles towing six-man canoe trailers and travel together."

    Right on, Ray. I wonder what the anti-SF'ers have to say about those points.
    And lastly, Ray notes what so very many others have noted:

    "I would think the only ones who may be somewhat uncomfortable with the Superferry's fare scale and services are the competition: airlines, tug-and-barge services, and perhaps, car rental agencies."

    That's been pointed out a lot, of course. And it was pretty obvious in the comment way above, from Aloha Airline's president.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LikaNui View Post
    "Another factor I hadn't considered until last October's earthquake is how the Superferry's capabilities could be an asset to our state in times of large-scale emergencies.
    "If our counties adopted a system similar to the mutual aid agreements used by most mainland communities, emergency responders and their equipment -- from fire engines to bulldozers -- would be able to move from island to island within hours.
    "Such resource mobility would give emergency planners statewide a whole new set of tools to work with, as well as new strategies and tactics to develop and use."
    That's a very good point overlooked. While there are certainly ships capable of providing shipping logistics like YB's newest RoRo barge or Pasha Hawaii's MV Jean Anne RoRo, the speed of the HSF can bring equipment to an island in hours vs days. I've seen So Cal fire fighters drive up to Nor Cal to assist in huge fires and vice versa. It definitely would be a logistical asset.

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    Bob Jones' column at this link in this week's MidWeek included these excerpts:

    "So you think the Hawaii Superferry should have a full environmental impact study on the effect of disgorging passengers and vehicles at harbors, plus potentially transporting species inter-island and bumping whales?
    "That’s OK ... so long as you also think we need a retro study of the same effects from Young Brothers, Hawaiian Tug and Barge, the inter-island and Mainland air carriers, Matson and Norwegian Cruise Lines.
    "I mean, there’s real impact! Shouldn’t we be steam-washing every car off the freighters and barges and sole-scrubbing the shoes of each passenger/crew member alighting from a plane or ship?
    "Shouldn’t we worry about all those air travelers impacting our roads as they depart terminals in their rental cars?"

    (...)
    "Makes me wonder who got to state Sens. English, Hooser, Kokubun and Tsutsui."

    He's joined a lot of other folks who've been wondering the same things.


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    Looks like SF has the go ahead for July launch.

    http://honoluluadvertiser.com/apps/p...WS09/703290349

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    Yeeehaaaa! I going make Leimomi all pretty and ready for the ride!

    Congrats SF!

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    Quote Originally Posted by joshuatree View Post
    Looks like SF has the go ahead for July launch.
    Hooray! Finally, sensible people made a sensible decision.

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    "An incredibly small half of one percent of the total adult population of the state of Hawaii spoke out against the SuperFerry."

    What is half of one percent of the total adult population of the state of Hawaii ? Half of the total population would be about 50,000 people; half of that about 25,000.

    As one of those adults who 'spoke out against the SuperFerry', I was speaking on behalf of just my most immediate ohana of more than 10 adults and more than 20 children who all oppose the proposed super-hydrofoil interisland operations of U.S. East Coast investors in Hawaiian waters.

    Many hundreds of others who did 'speak out' signed petitions opposing the proposed ferry operations. There is no doubt a large majority of the state's residents oppose the interisland hydrofoil ferry operations proposal.

    What fraction of one percent of the state's adult population spoke out in favor of such ferry operations or signed petitions in favor of such a proposal? One hundreth of one percent or less I am certain...and if only neighbor island citizens were considered the percentage who would speak out in favor of the ferry proposal would be less than 1000th of one percent.

    The Hawaii Superferry, Inc. is just another scheme on the long list of crappy ideas put forth by US East Coast investors to impose their will upon Hawai'i. It's chances of long-term success without continuing Hawaii state taxpayers' subsidization is nihl. May the ferry fly and float itself into its well-deserved humiliation and loathing !
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    Saw a very interesting call in panel discussion on Akaku last week. Featured were Terry O'Halloran, Barry Fukunaga, the retired MCC professor and I think the Sierra Club president (I tuned in late).

    The usual stuff came out (and all the callers--from Maui-- were against HSF, BTW), but what was interesting is O'Halloran again declared that he believed that a general EIS for Kahului Harbor was definitely needed (which is what I have said all along). And this is the EIS that will be published in June or July. If mitigation by any of the harbor's users is required at that time, then it would be up to the DOT to ensure that that mitigation occurred. O'Halloran also said he estimated there would only be around 110 cars per load and not the 250 that HSF is rated to carry.

    Driving around that part of Kahului was "interesting". YB's baseyard has definitely been changed. No longer are there grassy areas on the harbor side of Hana Hwy; it's now all fenced in and being used by YB. There will be zip parking available for parking private cars near the harbor because the feeder road (Ala Luina) has been closed off to the public. It'll be interesting to see where they will allow cruise ship passengers to park their rentals and where HSF foot passengers will be able to have ohana meet to pick them up or to park their cars if they don't take their cars with them to Honolulu.

    The most logical place, the parking lots at Maui Mall, are, surprisingly to me, filled most of the time now. Kahului Mall (the first shopping center on Maui and a block away from Maui Mall) is being redeveloped with condos (I think something like 400-500 condos), plus a park, so there's no room there, either. There's housing being built on the next block for the Community College and the parking lots at Kaahumanu Center are also filled the majority of the time.

    There are some buildings in the immediate vicinity (like the BoH building and the old Kahului Store) that are historic landmarks, so I don't think they can be razed and used for parking. Hoaloha Park (where the Maui Canoe Club has its clubhouse) might have to go next, but would the county give up this beach?

    Saw the Kaholo (the ro-ro car barge) when it made its maiden voyage to Maui. That sucker took up the entire length of Pier 2! And from what I understand, all the new replacement barges that YB will be bringing in over the next few years will be the same length as the Kaholo so YB can carry more goods with the same number of trips.

    At least the eco-friendly carwash at the corner of Hobron is now open and ready for business.

    All I can say is, it's good to know local "short cuts" to avoid having to be in the general mess on the roads that are now in the area around Kahului Harbor!

    Miulang
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