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  • Re: Hawaii's Interisland Air War - Chapter 4

    Great story in yesterdays PBN online about go! passengers count being down. Some how the load factors are up though. go! figure?

    go! boarded 52,552 passengers last month, down from 61,634 for the same month in 2006. This is 9,082 less passengers or 303 a day less.

    Revenue passenger miles were down as well, from 8.7 million to 7.49 million. Available seat miles dropped from 13.2 million to 11.2 million.

    It is probably safe to say that Hawaii's traveling public are no longer being fooled by Mesa.

    Even though Ornstein has elevated BS to an artform it still smelled a little too ripe for Hawaii's malihini and visitors alike.

    I have said it before, the only type of customers go! can count on are the occasional random traveler lured by whatever means (legal or otherwise) Ornstein finds necessary. I also know for a fact that go! gives away hundreds, possibly thousands of tickets every month FOR FREE in a vain attempt to boost rapidly declining passenger loads.

    Even the vocal minority of go! supporters like Mel and others are still flying on Hawaiian, Aloha and Island Air.

    What a pitiful shame it had to end this way.

    I would really like a legitimate third carrier to have been flying in Hawaii by now. Maybe James Delano is out there watching still. Could Fly Hawaii get its investors back once Mesa gets the axe?

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    • Re: Hawaii's Interisland Air War - Chapter 4

      Originally posted by Star of Gladness View Post
      Even the vocal minority of go! supporters like Mel and others are still flying on Hawaiian, Aloha and Island Air.
      It looks like YOU LOVE BEATING ON A DEAD HORSE yourself Star. So once again, I have to remind you about all the nickels consumers have saved during the period of increased competition in the Hawaii intersland marketplace.

      Again the same photo for you Star, of all the nickels, dimes, quarters and dollars that happy consumers have saved for the past 16 months, thanks to Go being in our marketplace:



      Saving a nickel and getting a bargain from any legitimate offer is not a crime. It is the hallmark of being a good consumer!
      I'm still here. Are you?

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        So what exactly happened here? Everyone kept touting 9/25 is when it goes down. 9/25 came and went, where's the ruling? Or is the whole HSF debacle stealing the limelight? Come on, Hawaii can handle two disappointments in a week.

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        • Re: Hawaii's Interisland Air War - Chapter 4

          Originally posted by mel View Post
          Go being in our marketplace:

          Saving a nickel and getting a bargain from any legitimate offer is not a crime. It is the hallmark of being a good consumer!
          hahahahahahaha you said "legitimate" describing go!

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          • Re: Hawaii's Interisland Air War - Chapter 4

            Originally posted by Star of Gladness View Post
            hahahahahahaha you said "legitimate" describing go!
            Their offers and those of Hawaiian and Aloha for the lower prices were all legitimate. None of the airlines were taken out by the FTC, BBB or other consumer organizations for any violation relating to the fare promotion sales. The only thing Go is in court for is the alleged information crime.

            In the meantime consumers continued to reap the benefits of $1, $9, $19, $29 and $39 tickets.

            Saving a nickel and getting a bargain from any legitimate offer is not a crime. It is the hallmark of being a good consumer!
            Last edited by mel; October 11, 2007, 08:30 PM. Reason: fix errors
            I'm still here. Are you?

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            • Re: Hawaii's Interisland Air War - Chapter 4

              Tivo ALERT!

              Peter Forman will appear on Everybody's Business, with Howard Dicus, on KHETOC (Channel 10 on cable TV) and discuss the Hawaiian vs. Mesa trial. Showtimes are 7:30pm, Friday, Oct. 12, and 3:00pm Sunday, Oct. 14.

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                meh - never mind, don't want to get into this discussion after all.

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                  Anyone got the 411 Changes at the Honoulu Airport with Aloha..
                  Rumor has it that:
                  Aloha Air is vacating the Inter-island terminal to operate from the Main Terminal with partner United at the United Lobby and United Gates.
                  United has 100 pilots in training to go online by years end, yet no additional planes to fly? ------interesting.

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                  • Re: Hawaii's Interisland Air War - Chapter 4

                    Originally posted by bluecrushkid View Post
                    Anyone got the 411 Changes at the Honoulu Airport with Aloha..
                    Rumor has it that:
                    Aloha Air is vacating the Inter-island terminal to operate from the Main Terminal with partner United at the United Lobby and United Gates.
                    United has 100 pilots in training to go online by years end, yet no additional planes to fly? ------interesting.
                    Rumor is worst than the ENEMY!
                    Be AKAMAI ~ KOKUA Hawai`i!
                    Philippians 4:13 --- I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me.

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                      Anybody else watch Peter Forman and Dicus last night? I would say it appears Mr. Dicus is pretty convinced the entire operation has been a huge scam on Hawaii's public. Howard kept bringing up the porn and the spoilation of documents and asking Peter how much he thought Mesa would lose.

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                      • Re: Hawaii's Interisland Air War - Chapter 4

                        Originally posted by bluecrushkid View Post
                        Anyone got the 411 Changes at the Honoulu Airport with Aloha..
                        Rumor has it that:
                        Aloha Air is vacating the Inter-island terminal to operate from the Main Terminal with partner United at the United Lobby and United Gates.
                        United has 100 pilots in training to go online by years end, yet no additional planes to fly? ------interesting.

                        from what i know..aloha air is partnering with United. they will be selling each other's tickets and aloha will have to learn the United system of reservations....should happen within the next month or so.

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                        • Re: Hawaii's Interisland Air War - Chapter 4

                          Here's what's happening in about 45 minutes:

                          Jonathan Ornstein, chief executive officer of Mesa Air Group, will be answering your questions live today on the Hot Seat.
                          The session runs from noon to 1 p.m. at honoluluadvertiser.com/opinion.

                          Phoenix-based Mesa Air Group operates the local airline go!
                          Hawaiian Airlines is suing Mesa for $173 million in damages, alleging Ornstein's Mesa used confidential data from Hawaiian in setting up go!
                          The new airline's entry into the Hawai'i interisland market has been punctuated by incredibly low fares: Mesa launched go! in June 2006 with one-way fares of $39 and has since temporarily lowered its fares to $29, $19, $9 and $1. Hawaiian and Aloha have frequently matched those fares.
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                          That's my story, and I'm sticking to it.

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                          • Re: Hawaii's Interisland Air War - Chapter 4

                            Originally posted by LikaNui View Post
                            Here's what's happening in about 45 minutes:
                            What a waste of time. He cherry picked the softballs and avoided the real questions.

                            While he was busy doing damage control with Hawaii's public, once again, his own employees suffer.

                            Check out what was happening in his own backyard during this "Hot seat blog". in Hawaii.

                            VIDEO--> AFA Calls Mr. Ornstein SHAMELESS

                            Mr Ornstein has the audacity to threaten the picketing Flight Attendants with being fired, even though the Railway Labor Act and other American laws protect the right to picket.

                            After Ornstein threatened the poor Mesa FA's with being fired, the AFA (their national union) put out a call to other airline FA's and 400 came down to protest Mesa and USAir.

                            FULL STORY--> 400 Flight Attendants Picket MESA AIR

                            Mr. Ornstein truly is shameless.

                            "Every year Mesa flight attendants have 85% turnover, because they are driven away by a company that dosen't value honest work or value human life"

                            Those are pretty strong words. And I am sure the truth of the matter is MUCH WORSE.

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                              From watching the video, it appears a Mesa Flight attendant can work all day, 16 hours, and only get 22 minutes of pay. She can also work all month and only get 65 hours of pay. This is shameful. It's no wonder Mesa wants to fly in China where they can better get away with this kind of crap.

                              I WILL support the Mesa Flight Attendants. I won't fly on Mesa or go! until Mesa and Ornstein settle fairly with their employees.

                              It is shameful that Mr. Ornstein has to be the bully and insist on picking on these young girls (most of them) and cant just pay them a fair wage for a month of work, and not just 65 hours.

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                              • Re: Hawaii's Interisland Air War - Chapter 4

                                What the hell is up with Judge Faris?

                                Going on three weeks this Thursday still no answer.

                                Let me make the decision. Mesa pays Hawaiian all the money and throw the CEO down the well. No need for an injunction because Mesa is toast anyway.
                                GO WARRIORS!!

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