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    Quote Originally Posted by mel View Post
    I'm originally from there and people over here say I drive too slow. So for someone like me, not enough time.

    What is there to buy in Kawaihae? Nothing much. I haven't bought anything there in years. The last time was ice cream when Doi Store was around... and that was long ago!
    Mahalo Mel for posting the schedules for Maui and Kauai. I concur, there is not enough turnaround time to really visit the island. Unless you spent the night.

    There is Cafe Pesto,assorted other restraunts and a 7-Eleven in Kawaihae.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Konaguy View Post

    There is Cafe Pesto,assorted other restraunts and a 7-Eleven in Kawaihae.
    With some hindsight and forewarning, perhaps one of those businesses in Kawaihae can make a deal with Tex Drive-in and bring the malasadas into Kawaihae, if and when Superferry comes, and of course if Superferry would do a similar dirt cheap promotion like what they did this week.

    With the TRO this is all just nebulous speculation and fantasy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mel View Post
    No. Too far away. About 35 miles, winding road up, bad traffic in Kamuela/Waimea; clear to Honokaa but you have to repeat that all over again going back.
    Quote Originally Posted by scrivener View Post
    What if I drive like a Big-Islander?
    You have to worry about the check in times at the port as well. The way the SuperFerry is doing things with the schedule there is no way anyone can do a "day trip" with your car to another island (at best you look around the harbor and board again for the trip home). You have to stay overnight at least.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mel View Post
    With the TRO this is all just nebulous speculation and fantasy.
    I'm fairly confident that HSF will be able to move forward with their service.Too much money has been invested to allow this service to be blocked permanently. If it does get blocked, the fringe element will have won out over the overall population.
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    Eh, You all welcome to come Maui or anyother Island for that matter. We live on different Islands. a matter of 20-30 minutes apart. If I like I going fly to Kona for check out Kamuela, or hopp on over Oahu for shopping and eat chinese food( Maui no mo good kine). Take a relaxing trip to Kauai for check out Hanalei. Go on a day trip to Lanai and spend the day at Manale bay. Go check out the Ohana on Molokai. One thing I hope we all remember is respect for each other and each others Island.
    So, come Maui get your Krispy Kreme, Guri-Guri and Manju.....No worry we share, JUST LIKE EVERY ISLAND.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kamuelakea View Post
    Miulang.

    In my life I broke plenny laws.

    Yes, I don't always obey the law.

    Not beeeg kine. Small kine.

    But still, I wen break um?

    So wot? Problem?
    Get one beeg problem if you standing in front of one judge who tells you to do someting, anden you say "OK" anden you no do 'em. That's called "contempt". It's not as bad if the law is in the books for everybody and you not da one standing in front of the judge who's looking you straight in the makas and that order only applies to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oggboy View Post
    Eh, You all welcome to come Maui or anyother Island for that matter. We live on different Islands. a matter of 20-30 minutes apart. If I like I going fly to Kona for check out Kamuela, or hopp on over Oahu for shopping and eat chinese food( Maui no mo good kine). Take a relaxing trip to Kauai for check out Hanalei. Go on a day trip to Lanai and spend the day at Manale bay. Go check out the Ohana on Molokai. One thing I hope we all remember is respect for each other and each others Island.
    So, come Maui get your Krispy Kreme, Guri-Guri and Manju.....No worry we share, JUST LIKE EVERY ISLAND.
    Eh, gotta go Honolulu for the manapua and pepeiau too! 7-11 is a poor substitute for Honolulu manapua.

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    I know of some great manju on Kaua`i (Lawai Mini Mart); I hear Maui has some ono manju as well, but I've not had it. Certainly better than doughnuts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leo Lakio View Post
    I know of some great manju on Kaua`i (Lawai Mini Mart); I hear Maui has some ono manju as well, but I've not had it. Certainly better than doughnuts.
    Yes, the manju from Home Maid Bakery is no ka oi. So are the fruit turnovers from Sam Sato Store (home also of the famous Maui dried mein).

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    Can't wait to see the Superferry head back to Maui with the passengers who are being allowed to return to the port they departed from.

    Imagine a dozen passengers having the entire ship to themselves. What fun.

    My cousin will be one of those passengers later this week when she returns to Oahu. I hope she slaps the spit out of any protesters who dare to touch her or her personal property.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leo Lakio View Post
    I know of some great manju on Kaua`i (Lawai Mini Mart); I hear Maui has some ono manju as well, but I've not had it. Certainly better than doughnuts.
    Leo I don't mean to pick on you but does anyone find this bizzare that one would spend in excess of $240 (round trip) to go from Oahu to Kauai, to take their car on the SuperFerry, drive something like 15 to 17 miles in the dark only to find out that the Lawai Mini Mart might not be open at 8pm?

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    Quote Originally Posted by helen View Post
    Leo I don't mean to pick on you but does anyone find this bizzare that one would spend in excess of $240 (round trip) to go from Oahu to Kauai, to take their car on the SuperFerry, drive something like 15 to 17 miles in the dark only to find out that the Lawai Mini Mart might not be open at 8pm?
    Nah, that's like that movie, Harold and Kumar Go To White Castle.

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    You see we all get some ono kine grinds on every isle. As why we all bring back some goodies for everybody when we go off Island....

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    More protesters on Kauai tonight.

    I hope the 60 or so people in the water get arrested and charged in federal court.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oggboy View Post
    You see we all get some ono kine grinds on every isle. As why we all bring back some goodies for everybody when we go off Island....
    Well, it finally gives some meaning to the words "road trip" for Hawaii residents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Star of Gladness View Post
    All I read is their policy that "Excessively dirty or muddy vehicles will not be permitted". This does not address dried mud in undercarriages that usually doesnt break loose until it is bounced around, like on a rough trail to a remote fishing spot.
    Wrong again. They do indeed have thorough inspection procedures in place which meet or exceed state and federal requirements. Please consider doing appropriate research on a topic before jumping to incorrect conclusions.

    Lets just say out of your dozen people only one of them is with a group that will poach the reef. Right now on Maui I can find lobster walking around in the daytime. 1 to 2 years after HSF gives Oahu's poachers access this will no longer happen. GUARANTEED.
    Precisely who is making that "guarantee", which the rest of us know to clearly be a guess and not a guarantee?
    No matter. Your comment above is ludicrous and without merit.

    There is a road to Hana if you haven't heard. About a one hour ride from Kahului is a poachers dream come true. They could easily rake in enough lobster to cover their full fare ticket on HSF.
    Stupid is as stupid does.
    Now see, this is what prompted me to waste a minute in replying to you. Because as any sane person can clearly tell you, your "stupid is as stupid does" comment clearly applies to YOU telling all the so-called poachers where the lobster are and how cheap it is to poach them.
    Brilliant move!

    Your comments about "Federal Troops" show -- again -- a total lack of understanding of the facts and the law, and are not worth even debating with you.
    Comparing the SuperFerry situation to Waco and Ruby Ridge is, I'm forced to say, stupid.
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    From the Hawaii Superferry website:

    Our Statement Regarding TRO

    "Hawaii Superferry is disappointed with the temporary restraining order issued today by the Maui Circuit Court. Hawaii Superferry will, of course, comply with the TRO. We intend to pursue all legal options that are available to us. A hearing is scheduled for August 29 to consider our opposition to the restraining order. We are hopeful that we will prevail in our August 29 hearing and expect to resume operations to Maui on August 30.

    Customers who have booked a voyage to or from Maui for travel on August 28 and August 29, will automatically be issued a refund. For those Oahu/Maui passengers with travel dates starting after August 29, we will issue a refund upon request to our website or reservations call center. Please note that due to heavy call volumes it is recommended that passengers use the website.

    Hawaii Superferry will contact those passengers who have commenced their Oahu/Maui travel and are scheduled to complete their travel on August 28 or August 29 to rebook their return travel dates.

    We will plan to continue our service between the islands of Oahu and Kauai and look forward to continuing to serve the people of these communities.

    For more than three years, Hawaii Superferry has met all the requirements of the state Department of Transportation, including provisions pertaining to environmental review. The company complied with, and in many instances, exceeded Hawai‘i and Federal environmental standards.

    The same careful attention to regulatory compliance and overall responsiveness has been applied to the protection of whales, safety and security issues, community and harbor users, prevention of the spread of invasive species, and traffic management.

    Hawaii Superferry is grateful for the support and excitement shown by our residents who have booked more than 23,000 voyages on the Alakai and the 4,000 passengers who have experienced the sheer pleasure and excitement of Hawaii Superferry over the last two days.

    It is our continued hope and intention to serve the people of the state of Hawai‘i by providing the convenient inter-island travel and transportation alternative they desire."
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    Quote Originally Posted by helen View Post
    Leo I don't mean to pick on you but does anyone find this bizzare that one would spend in excess of $240 (round trip) to go from Oahu to Kauai, to take their car on the SuperFerry, drive something like 15 to 17 miles in the dark only to find out that the Lawai Mini Mart might not be open at 8pm?
    Well...it IS really good manju...

    On-topic, however, it really is a shame that you folks are being jerked back and forth on this. It appears (keeping in mind that my info is coming ONLY from this HT discussion, as well as the two Honolulu papers' websites) that the DOT deserves the most heat for not following the rules to the letter, BUT it also appears that HSF is trying to do the right thing. Their initial image in the eyes of Island residents (their most likely long-term customers) will be determined by how they handle this shifting situation. They stand to suffer financially from all the delays and rulings, and those of you who would be willing riders get to make plans, change plans, make new plans, wait for news, etc. There's little you can do, and that has to be exceedingly frustrating.
    Last edited by Leo Lakio; August 27th, 2007 at 08:26 PM.

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    This is not a good sign...Hui-R apparently plans to have nonviolent protests every day HSF sails into Nawiliwili at 3 p.m. down at the harbor.

    ONGOING PROTEST, 3:00 pm each day Meet at Nawiliwili Park, Lihue.
    Even if you are not prepared to take direct action, please come down to the park to show your support for the protesters.
    Requirements for Direct Action

    Successful nonviolent direct action requires self-discipline, understanding, and patience.

    We are determined, and we are compassionate. Mohandas Gandhi referred to this type of action as Satyagraha, or truth-force. We seek to not only prevent harm and make what is wrong right, but also to reach those whom we oppose with our message.

    As we move forward, we must remember to take action in love. Only in love can we truly win the hearts and minds of those we reach out to. Only in love can we work in common cause to reach our destination, justice. May the bridges we build together bring new light to Kaua’i!

    Please take time to educate yourself and read from the articles below on Civil Disobedience, paying particular attention to the Handbook.

    The Coast Guard's jurisdiction only applies to 100 yards of the boat, so while they might be able to keep the surfers and canoes away from the boat itself, I don't know how far they can get with the people blocking the entrances to the road leading out of the harbor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LikaNui View Post
    Wrong again. They do indeed have thorough inspection procedures in place which meet or exceed state and federal requirements. Please consider doing appropriate research on a topic before jumping to incorrect conclusions.

    Precisely who is making that "guarantee", which the rest of us know to clearly be a guess and not a guarantee?
    No matter. Your comment above is ludicrous and without merit.

    Now see, this is what prompted me to waste a minute in replying to you. Because as any sane person can clearly tell you, your "stupid is as stupid does" comment clearly applies to YOU telling all the so-called poachers where the lobster are and how cheap it is to poach them.
    Brilliant move!

    Your comments about "Federal Troops" show -- again -- a total lack of understanding of the facts and the law, and are not worth even debating with you.
    Comparing the SuperFerry situation to Waco and Ruby Ridge is, I'm forced to say, stupid.
    State and Federal requirements? The same State that says we dont need an EIS and the Same Federation that had a US Coast Guard sailor manning a deck gun pointed at US Citizens last night? You mean those State and Federal requirements? THIS is why we must have an EIS.

    My guarantee or your guess? That is precisely why an EIS is a MUST.

    The poachers will have no problem finding the lobsters, or the limu, or the Kumu or the Mu. Right now they are out in the open. The residents of Hana and other areas are on a self governed kapu system, they only take what they need to feed their family. I am not worried about Hana or their residents. They are perfectly able to protect their resources on their own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Palolo Joe View Post
    The NIMBY attitudes from some neighbor island people is worse than some of the spew that comes from recent mainland arrivals to Oahu.
    Amen to that, Joe. A-freakin-men!

    Quote Originally Posted by Palolo Joe View Post
    You obviously have no understanding of the business model. There's no point in arguing with ignorance.
    Yeah, I'm thinking that the screen name should've been Star Of MADness.

    Quote Originally Posted by scrivener View Post
    Really, if they think all those drugs are going to just float on in, what about all the weed that'll be coming back?
    Indeed. Everyone knows the best stuff is grown on the outer islands.

    The children! Who will protect our children?!
    Funny! Very funny!
    I guess the TRO because of slow paint striping will save the keiki.

    Quote Originally Posted by Miulang View Post
    I would rather this whole thing be duked out in court than by protesters getting hurt or arrested in nonviolent demonstrations
    "Nonviolent"? You consider the protesters attacks on innocent citizens and their property to be "nonviolent" peaceful protests?!?? HELLO?
    You're ignoring stone cold FACTS. Again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miulang View Post
    This is not a good sign...Hui-R apparently plans to have nonviolent protests every day HSF sails into Nawiliwili at 3 p.m. down at the harbor.





    Miulang
    Awesome. I wonder if people from any other islands would go to Kauai and join them. I love a good protest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LikaNui View Post
    Amen to that, Joe. A-freakon-men!

    Yeah, I'm thinking that the screen name should've been Star Of MADness.

    Indeed. Everyone knows the best stuff is grown on the outer islands.

    Funny! Very funny!
    I guess the TRO because of slow paint striping will save the keiki.

    "Nonviolent"? You consider the protesters attacks on innocent citizens and their property to be "nonviolent" peaceful protests?!?? HELLO?
    You're ignoring stone cold FACTS. Again.
    Yes, nonviolent. The surfers and canoeists and swimmers were obstructing the path of the ferry, but they were not brandishing guns or spears (maybe some signs on shore). They aim to be nonviolent. Any violence is the result of the Coast Guard and their attempts to use boat hooks to snag the people in the water. I'd rather they fought in the courts, but these people apparently feel that their backs are against the wall, and this is the only way they can think of to show their disagreement that makes any kind of statement. And the media is getting sucked right into their hands. And they only arrested 3 people out of the 250+ who were demonstrating on Sunday. And here are the "serious" crimes they were charged with (which, BTW, are all misdemeanors, not felonies):

    According to Kaua'i Police Capt. Scott Yagihara, Justin Wood, 22, of Kapa'a, was arrested on suspicion of disorderly conduct; Bomun Bockchung, 28, of Kilauea, on suspicion of harassment, obedience to police officers and obstructing government operations; and Randy Wolfshagen, 49, of Kekaha, on suspicion of obstructing government operations and criminal trespass in the second degree.
    And now there are three "martyrs for their cause."

    Miulang
    Last edited by Miulang; August 27th, 2007 at 08:54 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LikaNui View Post
    "Nonviolent"? You consider the protesters attacks on innocent citizens and their property to be "nonviolent" peaceful protests?!?? HELLO? You're ignoring stone cold FACTS. Again.
    Yeah, when people start to block a boat from safely docking or attacking cars, that's considered violent.

    Quote Originally Posted by Star of Gladness View Post
    Awesome. I wonder if people from any other islands would go to Kauai and join them. I love a good protest.
    Um...but wouldn't they be bringing their drugs, traffic, invasive species to Kauai if they join them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miulang View Post
    This is not a good sign...Hui-R apparently plans to have nonviolent protests every day HSF sails into Nawiliwili at 3 p.m. down at the harbor.
    Shocking as it may seem, I agree with you. This is not a good sign.

    Quote Originally Posted by Star of Gladness View Post
    State and Federal requirements? The same State that says we dont need an EIS and the Same Federation that had a US Coast Guard sailor manning a deck gun pointed at US Citizens last night? You mean those State and Federal requirements?
    Do you know anything about anything? Manning the deck gun is SOP for the Coast Guard in any and every situation they encounter!
    And since your beloved protesters have already attacked innocent civilians, why shouldn't the Coasties be prepared to defend themselves, even if it wasn't SOP (which it is)?
    What a twit.
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