Maui resident busted for bomb prank

[Miulang]

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Miulang,

Please answer this. Don't ignore it or avoid it. It's really simple.

What do you suggest the President (Hillary or Bush or whomever) do to protect the U.S. against the next terrorist attack.

At least the PNAC/newamericancentery people have a plan to fight terrorism by supporting democracy, the antidote to extremism.

What do you suggest other than waiting for the inevitable?

I'll set my clock.

We could do what London and lots of other cities are doing, which is set up a whole network of CCTV units in the larger, more vulnerable cities. It's an intrusion on privacy, but it's also the reason why the last London bombers were identified and caught.

We definitely need to beef up searches of cargo vessels and secure the ports better. We need to better protect our northern and southern borders in order to stop illegal aliens from entering.

No one made a big stink (not even the Libertarians) about the TSA rules and regs post 9/11. Everyone just shuffles through the queues now.

Instead of thinking it's the "other guy's" responsibility, report all suspicious activities to the authorities. It's their job to investigate and they are supposedly trained to be able to differentiate what's real and what's not. If everyone's not on the same page about what qualifies as "suspicious activity", have DHS and the FBI start a public campaign to instruct everyone on what to look for (and I'm not talking about racial profiling, either, because Timothy McVey was neither Muslim nor a foreigner).

Bring home the National Guard from Iraq. Many have now been battle-hardened, so they are better prepared to thwart terrorists than before 2003. The National Guard's original purpose was to be our domestic armed force.

Actually, earlier this evening, I was thinking about whether all of these precautionary measures would be required if the Chinese, Abu Dhabi, German, Dubai and other foreign governments stopped investing in America and called in all the debt we owe them. Why would anyone want to bomb a country in economic shambles except for annexing its real estate?

PNAC is dead (only their website remains, and that hasn't been updated in months). Most of the original founders are off doing something else these days. And their "support" for democracy entailed having their large corporate buddies profitting off other governments. It was never about democratic principles....it was always based on economics, or "we're gonna free that country because it has x--insert your favorite resource here."

Miulang

[Pua'i Mana'o]

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that young lady is lucky to be alive. If she hadn't followed precise instructions to slowly put her hands on her head when those guns were on her back, she might have been shot, and what a senseless reason to die.

Speaking as a mother, that fact alone makes me want to first hug her tightly, then throttle the sh*t out of her.

[kamuelakea]

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We could do what London and lots of other cities are doing, which is set up a whole network of CCTV units in the larger, more vulnerable cities.

Thank you for responding. You validate my concerns. Essentially your approach confronting terrorism from a legal and police enforcement methodology.

Hint: It will never work.

For example, you cite cameras in London etc. Check out this link. Recent study says over 80% of crimes remain unsolved. But even more important, what Muslim on his way to die cares about being caught on camera. In fact, they usually film themselves bragging about their trip to 72 virgins. The cameras of London were usless in preventing a terrorist attack. Neither were the cameras at the airport in Boston which film whathismuslimscumbagass name Atta smiling as he boarded the plane.

http://tinyurl.com/2nll2p

So your first suggestion is ludicrous and dangerous.

We definitely need to beef up searches of cargo vessels and secure the ports better. We need to better protect our northern and southern borders in order to stop illegal aliens from entering.

Many of the 9-11 attackers were legally here. The London bombers were British citizens. So this suggestion is equally naive.

Instead of thinking it's the "other guy's" responsibility, report all suspicious activities to the authorities.

These Muslims are taught to fit in. Atta and boys got drunk at bars, enjoyed pornography and did not have beards. There was little suspicious about them beyond the one who admitted he wanted to learn to fly without landing. Beyond that, there was nothing to report. BTW, supposedly the comments about not wanting to learn to land were reported to the FBI who sat on it. Claims were that they were affraid of offending people like you who would cry racism for profiling Arab Muslims. So it got ignored.

Bring home the National Guard from Iraq.

That will give organized terrorism the biggest battle victory since Mohammad himself and fuel a massive rise in extremism along with masses of deaths do to unchecked civil war, not to mention putting billions of dollars in potential oil money into the hands of fanatics.

Great idea Miulang.

PNAC is dead (only their website remains, and that hasn't been updated in months). Miulang

At least PNAC had a more thought out plan, albeit dependant upon the assumption that most Iraqi's would actually prefer peace, prosperity and democracy. That appears to have been a false assumption.

The only way to defeat terrorism is to change the cultures and governments and education of the people and places where terrorism is mostly born - the Middle East. Bush and PNAC may end up failing but your suggestions are even more defeatist. In fact, they are suicidal.

Admin, if you need to dump this on a different thread, understood, but I couldn't help the need to respond to Miulangs suggestion that the threat of terrorism is simply a creation of George Bush and that is why this MIT Maui nut was arrested.

Looney

[Miulang]

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Thank you for responding. You validate my concerns. Essentially your approach confronting terrorism from a legal and police enforcement methodology.

Hint: It will never work.

For example, you cite cameras in London etc. Check out this link. Recent study says over 80% of crimes remain unsolved. But even more important, what Muslim on his way to die cares about being caught on camera. In fact, they usually film themselves bragging about their trip to 72 virgins. The cameras of London were usless in preventing a terrorist attack. Neither were the cameras at the airport in Boston which film whathismuslimscumbagass name Atta smiling as he boarded the plane.

http://tinyurl.com/2nll2p

So your first suggestion is ludicrous and dangerous.



Many of the 9-11 attackers were legally here. The London bombers were British citizens. So this suggestion is equally naive.





These Muslims are taught to fit in. Atta and boys got drunk at bars, enjoyed pornography and did not have beards. There was little suspicious about them beyond the one who admitted he wanted to learn to fly without landing. Beyond that, there was nothing to report. BTW, supposedly the comments about not wanting to learn to land were reported to the FBI who sat on it. Claims were that they were affraid of offending people like you who would cry racism for profiling Arab Muslims. So it got ignored.



That will give organized terrorism the biggest battle victory since Mohammad himself and fuel a massive rise in extremism along with masses of deaths do to unchecked civil war, not to mention putting billions of dollars in potential oil money into the hands of fanatics.

Great idea Miulang.



At least PNAC had a more thought out plan, albeit dependant upon the assumption that most Iraqi's would actually prefer peace, prosperity and democracy. That appears to have been a false assumption.

The only way to defeat terrorism is to change the cultures and governments and education of the people and places where terrorism is mostly born - the Middle East. Bush and PNAC may end up failing but your suggestions are even more defeatist. In fact, they are suicidal.

Admin, if you need to dump this on a different thread, understood, but I couldn't help the need to respond to Miulangs suggestion that the threat of terrorism is simply a creation of George Bush and that is why this MIT Maui nut was arrested.

Looney

OK, what are YOUR bright ideas then? We have already learned that democracy cannot be learned at the tip of a bayonnet. We have also learned, through the misuse of billions of dollars of aid to reconstruction already sent to Iraq and either squandered or stolen, that you can't throw money at the problem. We should also have learned by now, after decades of "regime changes", that whenever we depose a despotic government and replace it with one that on the surface appears to be more to our liking, that invariably that government ends up taking our money and then biting us in the okole. This has been going on for years and through many Administrations, both Democratic and Republican.

[infinitypro]

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that young lady is lucky to be alive. If she hadn't followed precise instructions to slowly put her hands on her head when those guns were on her back, she might have been shot, and what a senseless reason to die.

Speaking as a mother, that fact alone makes me want to first hug her tightly, then throttle the sh*t out of her.

Just got home from a good visit with my Mom which usually consists of non-stop talk story. Anyways, before I left she said, "Eh no be stupid now like that girl from MIT, so intelligent, but no moa common sense." I began to laugh, but stopped and asked, "Are you saying that I don't have common sense?"

Big honis and I left.

[cynsaligia]

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this is the girl's instructructables website. i gather from one of the comments left on that page that the guy i saw leaving with her on the news stories may not have been her bf after all. sorry about that.

anyway, here's salon.com's take. closer examination of the so-called fake bomb does make me wonder if the whole thing was blown out of proportion a bit. then again, if it's true that she initially didn't answer questions before authorities drew guns on her, then that wasn't so smart on her part. course, as one of the letters responding to the salon piece pointed out, boston's authorities freaked out earlier this year when LED promos of aquateen hungerforce appeared (albeit "mysteriously") in the city.

i still think she would have been better off with the binary code t-shirt.

[GeckoGeek]

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anyway, here's salon.com's take. closer examination of the so-called fake bomb does make me wonder if the whole thing was blown out of proportion a bit.

Hmmm. You think? I see a 9V battery and some LEDs on a breadboard. Where's the explosives? It's just something that lights up. No attempt to fake a bomb.

Yeah, I can see security being concerned and wanting to investigate. But the arrest goes too far. I think the prosecutor is going to have a tough time.

[joshuatree]

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Hmmm. You think? I see a 9V battery and some LEDs on a breadboard. Where's the explosives? It's just something that lights up. No attempt to fake a bomb.

Yeah, I can see security being concerned and wanting to investigate. But the arrest goes too far. I think the prosecutor is going to have a tough time.

I think she was holding Playdo in her hands, honestly, I would trip a little if I saw someone walking around like that.

[kamuelakea]

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OK, what are YOUR bright ideas then? We have already learned that democracy cannot be learned at the tip of a bayonnet.

Have you heard of a country called Japan? Worked pretty well there.

And by the way, how well do you think forcing Democracy in Hawaii worked. You seem to be the Hawaii-ophile of hawaiithreads.com? You seem to be perfectly satisfied with the result that was created BY FORCEFULLY OVERTHROWING THE MONARCHY?

While I agree forcing democracy isn't a smart first step, it may be necessary when a country becomes a threat to the world. Iraq and the Middle East have become threats, obviously. Hawaii was never a threat to anyone.

Spock da diff?

[cynsaligia]

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gaaaah! i misplaced my secret decoder ring this weekend!

[1stwahine]

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gaaaah! i misplaced my secret decoder ring this weekend!

There are no Lemurians. The Face of Mars was a HOAX.

Auntie Lynn

[joshuatree]

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gaaaah! i misplaced my secret decoder ring this weekend!

LOL, there's nothing encrypted here. I just decided to convert your binary numbers to hexadecimal.

[cezanne]

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At first I was gonna judge but then I remembered I was once "young, dumb and full of..." She made a mistake, all I can hope for is she learned from it.

[GeckoGeek]

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I think she was holding Playdo in her hands,

Yes, I read that later. Not sure what to make of that.

Still, I'd like to know what she was charged with.

[Miulang]

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Yes, I read that later. Not sure what to make of that.

Still, I'd like to know what she was charged with.

She was charged with disorderly conduct and carrying a hoax device. And Terminal C at Logan was not evacuated for this incident, which shows that the authorities were playing it cool and trying not to cause a panic. Star cannot go anywhere near Logan Airport until after her hearing (which I think is on Oct. 29).

Miulang