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    The thing I don't get is that it's clear in Dog's own discussion with his son that Dog realizes the impact using that word would have and how many people would probably interpret his use of that word. He has been in the public eye so much (indeed, has sought to be in the public eye for a long time), it's not as if he didn't know that his behavior would be noticed. So. Why did he use it? It's not like he has Tourette's syndrome (as far as I know). In his conversation with his son, he articulated the reasons he disliked his son's girlfriend and if he as able to articulate his reasons that way, then again, why the use of the "n" word that makes him have to try to explain what he meant by his use of the word and try (however effectively or ineffectively) to distinguish it from the traditional use of the word? I wonder the same about the other "celebrities" who have been caught using racial or anti-homosexual slurs. They all presumably know enough to know that their use of those words would lead to adverse reactions. It's one thing if these people say, yes I said that, so what? I meant what I said. But the ones in the news are all, I didn't mean that. I don't know why I said that. I need soul searching, healing, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adri View Post
    But the ones in the news are all, I didn't mean that. I don't know why I said that. I need soul searching, healing, etc.
    Don't forget, "I have to apologize to <insert prominent black leader here>"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peshkwe View Post
    You're right, no one is perfect but if you're gonna preach without hypocrisy don'cha think it'd help to do da walk to match the talk? How many uses of 'n' did he need to make the point that he thought the son's girlfriend was an opportunist waiting to strike?
    Yeah, true. But people have to remember he's on a "reality" TV show. Things often get scripted - even his "preachy" messages. He may or may not be as religious as he portrays himself on his show (I don't know the guy in real life). Plus, judging by the language that gets beeped on the show, I chuckle at his "prayer sessions."
    He did use the n-bomb an aweful lot, though, to make his point. You're right in that respect.

    Quote Originally Posted by genepark View Post
    I understand you were trying to make a lighthearted statement, and that's fine.

    But a name's not a name, not when you're comparing haole to the N-word. Haole is a cultural term that has evolved (devolved?) into a sometimes, but not always, derogatory term, but the N-word means centuries worth of hate and greed perpetuated by those in power.
    I disagree. I wasn't very clear, though. What I meant is a BAD name, is a bad name no matter what. My husband dislikes the term Haole because he's heard it used more derogatorily than not. As for the n-word - He grew up in San Diego and heard the word daily, non-derogatively (if there's really a non-derogative way of using it...) Meaning his (black) friends called each other this name without negative context or malice.

    I like the show, too, but have never held the Dog to a higher standard just because he's on TV. I think people can say whatever they want if it's in the privacy of their own home. Dog or not. Good words or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by escondido100 View Post
    aloha.....please when discussing this topic ....do not actually use the word. in print it is just as offensive as when heard. do you really have to be told this?
    The word should be used in the discussion. After all it is a word
    according to the Merriam-Webster Dictionary.
    If being used without malice don't be offended, be open to the discussion! To use (N-word) as a word in disussion is ridiculous

    Main Entry: nig·ger
    Function: noun
    Etymology: alteration of earlier neger, from Middle French negre, from Spanish or Portuguese negro, from negro black, from Latin niger
    Date: 1786
    1usually offensive; see usage paragraph below : a black person
    2usually offensive; see usage paragraph below : a member of any dark-skinned race
    3: a member of a socially disadvantaged class of persons <it's time for somebody to lead all of America's niggers…all the people who feel left out of the political process — Ron Dellums>
    usage Nigger in senses 1 and 2 can be found in the works of such writers of the past as Joseph Conrad, Mark Twain, and Charles Dickens, but it now ranks as perhaps the most offensive and inflammatory racial slur in English. Its use by and among blacks is not always intended or taken as offensive, but, except in sense 3, it is otherwise a word expressive of racial hatred and bigotry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalei99 View Post

    I disagree. I wasn't very clear, though. What I meant is a BAD name, is a bad name no matter what. My husband dislikes the term Haole because he's heard it used more derogatorily than not. As for the n-word - He grew up in San Diego and heard the word daily, non-derogatively (if there's really a non-derogative way of using it...) Meaning his (black) friends called each other this name without negative context or malice.
    Ah I see your point, so I know what you mean then.

    White people can hate the term haole for what it is, but they can't compare it to the negative energy behind the N-word. I mean, right here in this thread, we're making liberal use of the word haole, but not the N-word.

    There is a distinct difference between cultural discrimination, which haole and the N-word can stand for, and the kind of powerlessness and corruption that lies behind the N-word. The N-word is more than just a derogatory insult, it was once a form of institutional control over blacks and poor whites to keep the rich rich, and the poor dumber.

    I lived in Los Angeles, South Central mind you, for some years, and alternative term of the N-word was used often around me, which I assume is the same one your husband heard.

    When said between black folk, as you may or may not know, it is a term of endearment. Other ethnic minorities are also "allowed" to say it, because there is an understanding between them that they are all "brothers" being screwed by the system. It is mostly used by blacks because they are trying to take back their identity. They have applied more positive undertones to the word, including using it as an acronym promoting self-worth and betterment. Note that most white rappers avoid using the term in their songs, despite having been accepted into the black community.

    I attended many functions and meetings within the black community. I would be the only Asian, or nonblack, at these meetings. Even though they said I could use the word freely myself, I refuse to because I do not want to perpetuate the feeling that anyone can just use it. Plus, the debate over the appropriate context of the word still rages on, and until that is settled, I refuse to rely on a word with so much moral ambiguity surrounding it.
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    Also, a century ago, the word was widely used by the British to describe groups like Afghans and Indians.

    It is a perjorative, and always has been. It should not be used — but neither should it be banned.

    Also, the folks who create Dog's show must know where his prejudices lie. So they either consciously smoothed them over or had no clue.

    But really. Does anyone really consider Dog Chapman an exemplar of polite society?

    As to how Dog views local folks — it's a function of his job to see us all as perps and potential perps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalei99 View Post
    Yeah, true. But people have to remember he's on a "reality" TV show. Things often get scripted - even his "preachy" messages. He may or may not be as religious as he portrays himself on his show (I don't know the guy in real life). Plus, judging by the language that gets beeped on the show, I chuckle at his "prayer sessions."
    He did use the n-bomb an aweful lot, though, to make his point. You're right in that respect.
    I think he might think he's religious....but I don't think he understands other than on a surface level what that's all about.

    Meaning he's religious, without the completion of the spiritual understanding of his chosen path.

    He could do the whole "Think about your family." bit without getting into the prayer circle stuff and A&E would be perfectly happy with the street made psychologist as they are with the street made preacher. In fact the cussing he does would be less hypocritical as the psych vs. the preacher.

    With the 'n' bomb used so much in the heat of anger, it shows where his head is at in regards to folks other than the melanin challenged. If he didn't use the word regularly and with all the venomous weight it carries, it wouldn't have worried him so much and he'd have used other words to go off on his son.

    He used it the way a gas station owner used it to speak to a 70 year old Lenape elder I was with who needed to use the rest room in PA. This man told River Bird Woman to go squat in the dust like the dust n....er she was.

    Not like two guys meeting each other, saying 'Yo my n...ah!' with a pound and a shoulder hug....big difference.

    With the use of haole or chimook (gitchimookomin = long knife = American white)....it's all in the context, voice tones and body language since it was originally an identifier word rather than straight out derogatory like the 'n' word.

    Shoot...he coulda said she was a goat feltching, boxcar skulled pea-brain in the tertiary stages of syphilis.....and gotten the point across he didn't want his son with her without worrying about racism at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peshkwe View Post

    Shoot...he coulda said she was a goat feltching, boxcar skulled pea-brain in the tertiary stages of syphilis.
    Now THAT is a statement that is going to stay deep within me. THANK YOU! lol

    I'm serious, I'm going to try and memorize that line for the next guy that steps to me.

    As for the rest of the post, well put. I couldn't have said it better myself.
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    Heh...my momma used ta say I read the dictionary for the short stories...

    Then again I generally have the attention span of a concussed ferret so the dictionary worked many a day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peshkwe View Post
    Shoot...he coulda said she was a goat feltching, boxcar skulled pea-brain in the tertiary stages of syphilis.
    Quote Originally Posted by Peshkwe View Post
    I generally have the attention span of a concussed ferret
    Slow down, slow down, my hand is getting a cramp from writing all these gems down for future reference!
    [time out]
    [/time out]
    Okay. Ready for more.
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    That's my story, and I'm sticking to it.

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    Ok lessee, just a couple more....

    you sorry gurning, microcephallic excuse for a sentient being.....

    you're lower than the rancid crust left on the floor of the local peep emporium....

    Wannabe gloryhole.....

    you sorry sack of putrescent dog-vomit....




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    Speaking of the n-bomb, did anyone see "Curb Your Enthusiasm" last week?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peshkwe View Post
    [...]you're lower than the rancid crust left on the floor of the local peep emporium....[...]
    Allovasudden...the n-bomb is sounding tame!

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    I agree that words have power and not all words belong in all situations. However, I will use the word nigger when discussing this subject which happens to be the use of the word nigger.

    Why?

    Because black people use the word nigger in their daily private lives, in their entertainment and even in public. Oh, but you say not all black people. Well until most blacks stop using the word openly and publically or until most blacks at least start to express disgust at other blacks using the word nigger (which they do not in any large numbers), and until they protest the use of the word nigger by people like West Virginia Senator Robert Byrd just as much as they will the use ot the word nigger by people like the dog, then the rest of society can surely use the word when it is the central subject of a discussion.

    Watching haoles tip toe around the "N" word while on any given night in any major American city, one can hear "F'in, niggah, Bitch, whore" blasting from the car next to you at a red light even with your windows rolled up is hilarious.

    One for all and all for one. Either it is an offensive word or it is not. Blacks can't have it both ways.

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    contrary to your belief, kamuelakea this thread is not literature. literature being the only place that i find this word not offensive. dictionary definitions aside....(most people dont need to look this word up) consider the written word here as a conversation among friends....would you sprinkle that word at any public conversation you participate in ... i think not.... you are cavalierly trying to make a point that in this forum you have the cajones to use racial epithets as if they had no consequence..... i challenge you to use that word a dozen times the next time you have a PUBLIC audience of more than 5 people that you dont know...see where that gets you.....your disrespect is awesome......we can talk about this without flaunting our confederate flag insensitivies for all to see and hear.

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    Hey mods, can I respectfully suggest you split off the discussion on the use of n word specifically from the discreet discussion of use of nx by Dog?

    Just a suggestion. Please, nobody call me the s-word (stupidhead).

    But it really seems there are parallel discussions happening here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zztype View Post
    Hey mods, can I respectfully suggest you split off the discussion on the use of n word specifically from the discreet discussion of use of nx by Dog?

    Just a suggestion. Please, nobody call me the s-word (stupidhead).

    But it really seems there are parallel discussions happening here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by escondido100 View Post
    would you sprinkle that word at any public conversation you participate in ... i think not....
    Black people do it all the time. The only reason your conclusion (that it would not be accepted in most public forums) is probably accurate is only because most people have been brainwashed like you are. Blacks can use the word nigger cavalierly in public and in social situations but not anyone else.

    Can't you see how stupid that is?? If the word is so evil, then NO ONE should be using it publically, especially the people who find it offensive.

    What you are saying escondido100 is that human beings cannot use the word nigger when discussing the use of the word nigger.

    Sticks and stones silly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zztype View Post
    Hey mods, can I respectfully suggest you split off the discussion on the use of n word specifically from the discreet discussion of use of nx by Dog?

    Just a suggestion. Please, nobody call me the s-word (stupidhead).

    But it really seems there are parallel discussions happening here.
    I won't call you the "S" word but I don't see the difference. The discussion is on the use of the "N" word by Dog or anyone else. The arguement is that all non-black people should never utter the "N" word even though blacks do it all the time.

    Is it only Dog who lives under verbal limitations?

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    While doing some research at the library today I was looking at the reference books that cover back issues of both the Advertiser and Star Bulletin so you can look up subjects via date on microfilm. While thumbing thru the book in 1982 I see "Negroes" listed as a reference to black people in the news in Hawaii. Granted this was long before the PC term "African American" came into vogue, but I was a bit surprised in 1982 that term was even used.

    Anyways back on topic, it appears Dog's son, Tucker sold his daddy down the river for "a lot of money":

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071102/..._duane_chapman

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    Quote Originally Posted by kamuelakea View Post
    Blacks can't have it both ways.

    Aloha
    What scientific law dictates this? Does it say that in Wikipedia?

    Who makes jokes about Jewish people all the time? Jewish comedians, like the creators of South Park. Who makes fun of Koreans all the time? Margaret Cho. Filipino dialects? Rex Navarette. Mexicans? Pablo Francisco.

    Come on now. You honestly think you can dictate how an ethnic or cultural group decides how to identify itself?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kamuelakea View Post
    I won't call you the "S" word but I don't see the difference. The discussion is on the use of the "N" word by Dog or anyone else. The arguement is that all non-black people should never utter the "N" word even though blacks do it all the time.

    Is it only Dog who lives under verbal limitations?
    No, one is discussion of a specific incident of use of Nx.

    The other is a broader discussion of the general use of Nx.

    Quite clear to me.

    And to me it seems that the general discussion might draw a different crowd from the title of this thread. Some might avoid it, based on the title, while others would be drawn to it, based on the title.

    Seems prudent to me to split them and focus the two discussions more sharply, to the benefit of the participants of each thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalihiboy View Post
    Anyways back on topic, it appears Dog's son, Tucker sold his daddy down the river for "a lot of money":

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071102/..._duane_chapman

    Aj
    And the Dog was worried about his son's girlfriend selling him out?

    Makes me glad I kept my life and my thoughts private.

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