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    Auwe! Today on the way home, I saw that vandals have already tagged the Bishop Museum's new science building. And it's not even completed yet!

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    And that's not the worst petty crime around. 18 fires in Hamilton Library?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Miyashiro
    Auwe! Today on the way home, I saw that vandals have already tagged the Bishop Museum's new science building. And it's not even completed yet!

    they know what they like. and they prolly liked the view you ONCE had from the bishop museum great lawn ( and most of the surrounding area) of allll of honolulu and diamond head.
    that ugly bunker of a monstrocity is a travesty in itself. grafitti may improve it in some eyes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Linkmeister
    18 fires in Hamilton Library
    4 dead in Ohio

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    So when I was in Honolulu before moving up to the Big Island, I saw a lot of graffitti with the name: Phyto! He's like all over the place. I would tell my friends who live in an apartment complex in McCully where Phyto is spray painted all over the walls, to one night get a marker and add underneath his name the following: Is a fag.

    Or better yet call your company PHYTO's Photo Service and let him do the signage on your new all white cargo van parked overnight in town.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kimo55
    4 dead in Ohio
    Too many syllables in my sentence to scan properly.

    Actually, once that thing is done I expect it to be a big educational draw.

    And Kimo, you'd prefer "7 clams in Waikiki?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Miyashiro
    Auwe! Today on the way home, I saw that vandals have already tagged the Bishop Museum's new science building. And it's not even completed yet!
    Whoever's in charge of the project is on the ball. This morning, the tags have been covered by a black tarp. Good thinking; it deprives the taggers of the satisfaction of seeing their work and prevents them from leaving new tags too.

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    I swear to god, if I ruled the world, taggers would lose a finger on their first offense. No trial, no probation, no plea bargains. You're standing in front of a wall with spray paint in your hand? Say bye-bye to your pinky. There is no excuse.

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    I'm taking a couple of classes at HCC, they hit the elevators and the bathrooms but the cleaning folks are always on it. But sheesh enough already. I can't believe they still do that crap even at that age.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kilinahe
    I swear to god, if I ruled the world, taggers would lose a finger on their first offense. No trial, no probation, no plea bargains. You're standing in front of a wall with spray paint in your hand? Say bye-bye to your pinky. There is no excuse.

    and if you are caught, and present a threat to the one attempting to stop your vandalism, say bye-bye to your life.
    These young punks don't remember the episode in L.A. a while ago in which one young Hispanic "tagger'' was killed and another wounded by a white vigilante who was carrying a handgun, when one vandal tried to stab the dude with a screwdriver.
    (but I hope it never gets to that point, here.)

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    That's the thing that gets me. The folks busted for this stuff are in their twenties, a lot of the time. Grow up and get a job, already. What, they're taggers until they're too old to run fast enough?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pzarquon
    That's the thing that gets me. The folks busted for this stuff are in their twenties, a lot of the time. Grow up and get a job, already. What, they're taggers until they're too old to run fast enough?

    Some of them actually think "tagger" IS their job. They have a legitimate title, adopted by the media.
    They claim they are creating jobs for others. (repairing the vandalism)
    Their efforts and 'talent' are validated to a degree by the media:
    "A museum spokesman ... said he would rather see the culprits use their artistic talents in a constructive rather than destructive way."

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    That "phyto" dude and his friends are all over the buildings underneath the Diamond Head end of the Airport Viaduct. Just recently, they've gone ballistic under there all over the freeway supports and the businesses in the area with large "tagging" displays.

    I hope that one of the jackasses who got caught at Bishop Museum was indeed this "phyto" turkey. He's left his mark all over from Aiea to Kalihi and beyond for the past several years.

    They are nothing but vandals, common criminals who ought to be charged with criminal property damage and thrown in jail for a while. No, not juvenile detention, JAIL... the place where they can get their 'okole, along with their attitudes, seriously adjusted.
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    You know if a tagger feels their work is necessary I guess I'd put them in with the likes of terrorists who feel attacking buildings with planes was justified too.

    Somehow in their minds they feel they're doing God's work like Hitler. I think the day manufacturers make spray paint that can't get you high is when the minds of taggers will sober up where they can understand reality.

    In the meantime taggers should be hunted down and forced to face their victims when caught.

    So this post actually should be in the "What pisses you off" section too.

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    Police Arrest 3 Teens In Freeway Graffiti Case
    Police arrested three teenagers for graffiti as state lawmakers made tagging a more serious crime. Honolulu police Wednesday arrested three boys: a 16-year-old and two 17-year-olds in Pearl City. Officers said are the suspects in a case involving graffiti on a sound barrier of the H-1 Freeway. It's in an area that is under construction.

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    I would rather see, instead of jail time, have the taggers go out on Saturday and Sunday and restore areas on the island in the form of 2000 hours of community service. That should keep these youths busy for about 2 - 3 years on their weekends. The fines should still stay. Also, they sign a waiver before starting their community service stating that they are responsible for the proper safety equipment, etc. and that the State/City bears no liability should they injure themselves performing community service.
    Whoa, Mista Buss Driva, eh, you can stop the buss o wat?

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    Nah, if you do that the state maintenance workers will get pissed off for taking their jobs away

    Taggers feel they must leave their marks for everyone to see, sooooooo....tag them! Tatoo a state warning message on their foreheads saying: I vandalized public buildings paid for with your tax dollars. Then release them. The next time they get caught, then put em in jail.

    Here's other options:

    1) Special license plates denoting their crime
    2) Automatic payroll garneshment to pay for graffitti cleaning
    3) Restricted future government entitlements
    4) Denial of certain loans (mortgages, car loans etc)

    In other words make them aware when they mess with the public, the public will mess with them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by craigwatanabe
    Here's other options:

    1) Special license plates denoting their crime
    2) Automatic payroll garneshment to pay for graffitti cleaning
    3) Restricted future government entitlements
    4) Denial of certain loans (mortgages, car loans etc)
    These punks probably don't own the cars they drive, so a special license plate wouldn't work. It'd be easier to get the violator to perform community service (and jail time if they don't show up) than garnish his/her wages. The restriction on gov't entitlements sounds good, but a automatic denial on a loan wouldn't work either. They banks are private entities, and would rather make a buck than perform what some might consider a civic duty.

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    Okay how about denial of certain government subidized loans and denial of bus passes. Regarding private loans, by giving banks or lending institutions the right to include wording that would restrict these "punks" to a higher interest rate to qualify for a loan might work.

    Putting them in jail works too but jail time means wasteful use of taxpayer monies for taggers. And they may not have cars, but with the threat of marked license plates it may deter them from future activity as they try to mature.

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    I still like my wife's pinky idea best.

    Look. Pay garnishment, special license plates and loan penalties won't do crap, because those require these kids have an adult understanding of how stupid they are, and an understanding of how significant or severe certain punishments are. "You will only be able to finance through a second- or third-tier lender!" Oooh, scared of you, bruddah.

    I agree, jail is a waste of money. Community service, and an excess of it, makes sense. Then again, so does bringing back stockades and setting them up in the middle of Pearlridge or Kahala mall.

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    Maybe instead of the pinky go for the thumb first... hard to hold a spraycan without one's thumb.

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    An article from KHON's website about the graffitti problem.

    As a police officer once said: "When you paint over graffitti, you piss them off and they have to redo it, then its an endless cycle."
    How'd I get so white and nerdy?

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    I wonder what the higher cost would be: The money private businesses would spend on cleaning up graffitti, or the money HPD would have to spend in order to ramp up enforcement?

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    I would imagine enforcement would always cost more, as broad prevention is generally more expensive than per-incident reaction. Further, everyone pays for HPD, while only Company X is on the hook for the west-facing wall of their warehouse.

    Property damage is a crime, but if a company accepts a certain level of responsibility for the maintenance and security of their facilities, it makes sense I guess that they pay for grafitti clean up. I imagine it's they that will have to make more noise to increase enforcement, or at least penalties.

    Already when small businesses are hit, you know that it's an expense that they can't take lightly. As taggers move from commercial properties to residences and private property, I think you'll find public outcry ramp up considerably.

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