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    Aunty Lynn? Oooh he’s going to get whack whacks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TuNnL View Post
    Apparently, the police report inaccurately stated that he refused to take the test. Because if he didn’t take it, there would be no way prosecutors would have had his blood alcohol content as part of their case.
    Menor may have taken the roadside breath test, but that's not the same as the breathalyzer test at the station. And refusing to submit to the breathalyzer test at the station still carries the penalty of an automatic one year license suspension, even if you submitted to the other sobriety tests.

    Anyhow, as the KITV news story showed, Menor decided to plead guilty to DUI. He had to spend a couple of days in jail. But at least he wouldn't lose his driving license for an entire year. Since this is his first offense, the maximum suspension (as I said in my earlier post) is 90 days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frankie's Market View Post
    Menor may have taken the roadside breath test, but that's not the same as the breathalyzer test at the station. And refusing to submit to the breathalyzer test at the station still carries the penalty of an automatic one year license suspension, even if you submitted to the other sobriety tests.
    This seems like redundancy, if you ask me. I understand the significance of a field sobriety test, which would demonstrate physically how impaired he was to drive. But if he took the roadside breathalyzer test, what’s the point of taking the same exact test again at the station? That seems rather rediculous, considering the BAC reading would be less than the first one.

    If this is the law, it should be repealed. A total waste of taxpayer dollars.

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    I would think prosecution would be difficult if the only evidence was a test from a machine that was subject to who knows what as it bounced around in a police car. The calibration of that machine would be in question. Also I don’t think the machine has a recording ability so any results would be the word of the officer performing the test. The physical test is also based on the officer’s perception unless he video tapes the test. If the suspect is brought into the station and given a second test and fails that too while under the observation of other officers prosecution is much more likely to be successful.

    I was under the impression that the test in the station was a blood test not a second breath test. The blood test is much more accurate than the breath test.

    I have no problem with multiple tests to prove the guilt of a drunken driver to get more of them off the road.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 68-eldo View Post
    I would think prosecution would be difficult if the only evidence was a test from a machine that was subject to who knows what as it bounced around in a police car. The calibration of that machine would be in question. Also I don’t think the machine has a recording ability so any results would be the word of the officer performing the test. The physical test is also based on the officer’s perception unless he video tapes the test. If the suspect is brought into the station and given a second test and fails that too while under the observation of other officers prosecution is much more likely to be successful.
    That is precisely correct. The roadside test is mostly to establish probable cause. But the breathalyzer test at the station is designed to be the conclusive evidence in court that will lead to a conviction.

    Quote Originally Posted by 68-eldo View Post
    I was under the impression that the test in the station was a blood test not a second breath test. The blood test is much more accurate than the breath test.
    HPD does, indeed, administer a breathalyzer test to everyone brought to the station after being arrested.
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    The attached came in Tuesday's mail:
    "An open letter to the communities of Mililani, Mililani Mauka and Waipio Gentry"

    "Paid for by Friends for Menor"

    Reminds me of the good ol' Mansho days.

    I can understand the cultural cleansing opportunity offered by an abject apology, but I have a hard time seeing this as anything other than cynical manipulation of voter sympathies.

    Apparently his hypocritical remorse or his "higher standard of conduct" doesn't actually extend to the point where he'd see fit to resign his seat. That would seem to be the most democratic (in the voter-participation sense of the word) way to give the district's voters a chance to let him know how we feel.

    I'm glad that taxpayer money wasn't spent to distribute this.

    Who else is running for state senator from our district?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nords View Post
    Apparently his hypocritical remorse or his "higher standard of conduct" doesn't actually extend to the point where he'd see fit to resign his seat. That would seem to be the most democratic (in the voter-participation sense of the word) way to give the district's voters a chance to let him know how we feel.
    I disagree with you on this point. If he resigned his seat, we will never know how the district’s voters feel. If he runs for re-election and is defeated, we will know he has lost their trust. If he wins, we will know that his support was deeper then casual support. Frankly, the DUI incident should be an open invitation for any aspiring politician to challenge Menor.

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    Frankie Says:
    "she still couldn't stop herself from smiling ....in front of a camera....automatic reflex of longtime politicians.....
    anyone points a camera at them"
    Man, is that the truth. Like a 6 gr recital. Smile, Smile, Smile.
    But sir, the buildings have collapsed!?!....I understand Smithers...
    Please remember to smile.

    TuNnL says:
    "He was driving too SLOW, for Pete’s sake."
    This speaks to the root of our traffic problem. There is a serious shortcoming
    in the overall ability of drivers in Hawaii, on average, and that don't actually
    include you, or you, and, of course, not you either. The real problem is that speed limits are too slow, in the slow ranges, such as 35 mph, 40 mph, or even 55 mph, on good blvds or big country roads with wide, meandering turns. I am passing you, all the time. And you need a serious driving lesson...
    ....at a race track.
    "Slower traffic keep right."
    And/or pull the heck over, on a narrow road, and let others be more capable, and safer.

    Nords says:
    "then I'd take a taxi."
    I, too, have hailed a carriage, from blissful oblivion. It's always a good choice.

    Tutu and Leo say
    "checking the restaurant's bill"
    Leave the restaurant out of it. Mr. Menor made his own purchases. Consumer Choice.

    Auntie say
    "Or...he could have drank at the concert." ..... or in between, like me. Auntie know.

    Craig says:
    "Well with the way that district is going...as Obama's been reciting...it's time for a change."
    Imagine less Democrats in Hawaii Government. Or less Reps in DC. Same basic idea.

    If you drink, you prolly driven home "carefully" a few times.
    Get caught? About $5000, all toto. Incl. lawyer, fines, lost work, counseling, etc.

    Check any work truck, south bound, in South Kohala, at 3:45pm.
    Or any car, leaving the bar, at 1:15am.
    Or any high roller, comin outta the restaurant district, at 8:15 pm.
    Or Unco Dada, at 1:25 pm, on a Saturday, after he been cleaning the yard all morning,
    and need more gas.

    Yup, you probably drink too.
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    As expected, Menor will be facing Democratic challengers to his 17th Senatorial district seat. Opposing him in the primary will be Michelle Kidani and Resa Tsuneyoshi.

    My pick to win it all is Kidani. She was the longtime aide to former city council member Rene Mansho. Kidani made news when she resigned from her post and led a recall effort against Mansho, citing various ethical and legal violations. Although the recall petition fell short, its aim was ultimately fulfilled when Mansho was later forced to resign in the face of snowballing scandals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frankie's Market View Post
    Menor will be facing Democratic challengers to his 17th Senatorial district seat. ... My pick to win it all is (Michelle) Kidani. She was the longtime aide to former city council member Rene Mansho. Kidani made news when she resigned from her post and led a recall effort against Mansho, citing various ethical and legal violations. Although the recall petition fell short, its aim was ultimately fulfilled when Mansho was later forced to resign in the face of snowballing scandals.
    About six years ago, shortly before Rene Mansho resigned in disgrace, I was sitting at a family luncheon talking politics. My aunt bristled when I suggested Mansho’s legacy would be her 1992 vote on rail transit. Gordon Pang’s article drew the same conclusion:
    But she may be most remembered as the key vote in 1992 against a half-percent excise tax increase that killed the funding for a mass transit train project that would have cost more than $1 billion.
    But since then, history has bore that out. Unless Mansho accomplishes something significant before she passes into the next life, Rail Transit in all its controversy, has forever ensured Mansho’s record in the history books. If the media pays any attention to Kidani’s candidacy, you can be certain of it.

    We can’t be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americans.

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    USA TODAY, page 2A
    11 March 1993

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    Interesting-- Menor lost the primary by only 123 votes.

    Well, heck, at least a "majority" of voters remembered long enough to make a difference.

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    Sad to see he go. My friends tell me take he was a alright guy. Guess some of us have our human weaknesses held against us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlohaKine View Post
    Sad to see he go. My friends tell me take he was a alright guy. Guess some of us have our human weaknesses held against us.
    Menor wasn’t a do-nothing senator, that’s for sure. His landmark “Gas Cap” legislation, though ultimately repealed, was the first real effort by any Hawai‘i politician to address our skyrocketing gasoline prices. Unfortunately, his DUI conviction proved to have turned public sentiment against him, particularly since he had his two young children in the vehicle at the time.

    We can’t be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlohaKine View Post
    Sad to see he go. My friends tell me take he was a alright guy. Guess some of us have our human weaknesses held against us.
    Oh, cry me a river, why don't you. Menor only has himself to blame for his DUI arrest. His initially making a million and one lame excuses instead of immediately taking responsibility for his actions didn't help matters any, I would suspect. One could certainly ask this quesion to any of the voters in his district who formerly supported him in past elections, but turned against him this year.

    With all that said,.... I felt that he (or Colleen Hanabusa) would have been a better candidate for Congress in '06 than Mazie (Lazy) Hirono was. Oh well. Ron is still in his early 50s, so it's not as if he's ready for the retirement home just yet! If he really wants to continue in public service, there will be time for him to regain the public's respect and opportunities to run for office again (i.e. state legislature, city council, board of education, etc.)
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