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    Default Digital TV Over The Air

    Channel 5.1 is now displayed as 23.1, putting it in a numerical range I don't usually cycle through. What's up? (Ewa locale)
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    Default Re: OTA DTV Continuing 'Technical Difficulties'

    I think most of the DTV channels are actually on the UHF spectrum of the broadcast dial.

    Code:
    KFVE          HI HONOLULU                  USA             (Digital)
    
      Licensee: KHNL/KFVE LICENSE SUBSIDIARY, LLC
      Service Designation: DS   Special Temporary Authority (digital)
    
      Channel: 23     524 - 530 MHz  
      File No.:   BDSTA-20041012AKF     Facility ID number: 34445
      CDBS Application ID No.: 1020492
    
       21 22' 55.00" N Latitude              
      158 06' 19.00" W Longitude (NAD 27)
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    Default Re: OTA DTV Continuing 'Technical Difficulties'

    Aren't UHF reserved for low-powered TV stations?

    If so, non-cable, non-dish, OTA folks in Kaunakaka'i are going to have a hard time catching good receptions.

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    Default Re: OTA DTV Continuing 'Technical Difficulties'

    Quote Originally Posted by mel View Post
    I think most of the DTV channels are actually on the UHF spectrum of the broadcast dial.
    Yes, but their signal is supposed to 'tell' the receiver to display the desired number (in this case, 5.1). I think that's also the only channel not currently displaying program information.
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    Default Re: OTA DTV Continuing 'Technical Difficulties'

    Sounds like KFVE's PSIP generator had a brainfart. Since most people don't watch TV OTA anymore, they likely don't even know that it has occurred.


    BTW, most DTV stations are and will continue to be UHF after the analog shutdown in Feb. '09. But for those in Maui County because of the move off of Haleakala most stations there will do a "flash cut". They will shut off the analog signal and use the same frequency for the DTV station.

    KHON, KITV and KMEB will "flash cut"
    KGMB will use UHF 24 remapped as 3.1
    KHNL wll use UHF 16 remapped as 15.1

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    Default Re: OTA DTV Continuing 'Technical Difficulties'

    Quote Originally Posted by Ninja View Post
    BTW, most DTV stations are and will continue to be UHF after the analog shutdown in Feb. '09. But for those in Maui County because of the move off of Haleakala most stations there will do a "flash cut". They will shut off the analog signal and use the same frequency for the DTV station.

    KHON, KITV and KMEB will "flash cut"
    KGMB will use UHF 24 remapped as 3.1
    KHNL wll use UHF 16 remapped as 15.1
    Where do you get your info? If on the internet, what's the link?

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    Default Re: OTA DTV Continuing 'Technical Difficulties'

    Try this FCC link. It has all of the TV frequencies in Hawaii listed, both analog and digital. It's possible that not all the information there is totally up to date.

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    Default Re: OTA DTV Continuing 'Technical Difficulties'

    Rabbit Ears www.rabbitears.info/market.php but they get the info from the FCC which you can also search at fcc.gov.


    #073 Wailuku, Hawaii
    KGMV DT CBS 03 24 24 2476' 77.0 kW DA 20080219BJM Wants to flash-cut TV-03 to DT-24 in 09/08, but will likely be delayed.
    KAII DT FOX 07 36 07 2470' 3.69 kW DA 20080219AOH Plans to flash-cut on 02/17/09.
    KMEB DT PBS 10 30 10 2450' 21.2 kW DA 20080214AGE Awaiting FCC action.
    KMAU DT ABC 12 29 12 2450' 9.00 kW DA 20080219ANV Plans to flash-cut on 02/17/09.
    KOGG DT NBC 15 16 16 2683' 50.0 kW DA 20080219BIY Awaiting environmental permit.
    KWHM DT IND 21 45 21 2421' 40.7 kW DA 20080219AVY Will flash-cut on 02/17/09.

    Here's Oahu:


    #073 Honolulu, Hawaii
    KHON DT FOX 02 08 08 -39.' 7.20 kW ND 20080219AOX
    KITV DT ABC 04 40 40 3.28' 85.0 kW DA 20080219AMT
    KFVE DT MyN 05 23 23 1463' 5.40 kW DA 20080219BIO
    KGMB DT CBS 09 22 22 2063' 40.0 kW DA 20080219BJO Requests to stay on DT-22.
    KHET DT PBS 11 18 11 2050' 28.7 kW DA 20080214AGG Will halve analog power 06/08, then flash-cut 02/17/09.
    KHNL DT NBC 13 35 35 1486' 5.90 kW DA 20080219BIJ
    KWHE DT IND 14 31 31 16.4' 20.1 kW DA 20080219AWA
    KIKU DT ETH 20 19 19 1988' 216. kW DA 20080214AHS
    KAAH DT TBN 26 27 27 1893' 1000 kW DA 20080219AJV
    KBFD DT ETH 32 33 33 -118' 49.6 kW DA 20080211AFI Analog operating at low power.
    KALO DT IND 38 10 10 1899' ???? kW DA 20080219AVX What a mess.
    KWBN DT IND 44 43 43 1893' 22.0 kW ND 20080219AIC
    KKAI DT IND 50 -- 50 1223' 12.0 kW ND 20080219AGN Will flash-cut ASAP.
    KUPU DT IND 56 -- 38 226.' ???? kW ND 20080219AWB Involved in KALO's mess, but will be on DT-10 or DT-13 most likely.
    KPXO DT ION 66 41 41 2073' 34.0 kW ND 20080212ADS

    Hilo:


    #073 Hilo, Hawaii
    KHBC DT NBC 02 22 22 -558' 8.00 kW DA 20080219AXE
    KLEI DT ION 06 25 25 2857' 2.50 kW DA 20080219AGM
    KGMD DT CBS 09 08 09 -292' 1.55 kW ND 20080219BJN Will flash-cut in 10/08.
    KHAW DT FOX 11 21 11 100.' 3.35 kW DA 20080219APQ Will flash-cut on 02/17/09.
    KHVO DT ABC 13 18 13 -302' 2.00 kW DA 20080219AOF Will terminate TV-13 02/13/09, terminate DT-18 and activate DT-13 02/17/09.
    KWHH DT IND 14 23 23 108.' 14.9 kW DA 20080219AWC

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    Default Re: OTA DTV Continuing 'Technical Difficulties'

    Still same channel 5 problem, still no 9.1 (I doubt it's my antenna, since I had reception before for months, now no reception for over a month), and now 13.1 displays channel programming for tomorrow instead of today (at least they starting displaying SOME info). Any hope for a time signal that matches among the channels?
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    Default Re: OTA DTV Continuing 'Technical Difficulties'

    Quote Originally Posted by salmoned View Post
    Still same channel 5 problem, still no 9.1 (I doubt it's my antenna, since I had reception before for months, now no reception for over a month), and now 13.1 displays channel programming for tomorrow instead of today (at least they starting displaying SOME info). Any hope for a time signal that matches among the channels?
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    That is strange. What are you using for an antenna?

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    Default Re: OTA DTV Continuing 'Technical Difficulties'

    Rusty old rabbit ears, elevated to second floor ceiling level, parallel to window frame. 5.1 displays as RF23.1 (channel 5 is best analog reception, too), 13.1 displays date and schedule info for tomorrow, 9.1 no signal (listed as 22.1 on my recorder's tuner - still no signal). Full listing of current digital reception - 2.1, 2.2, 4.1, 4.2 (weather), 4.3 (no programming), 11.1, 11.2, 13.1, 13.2 (weather), 20.1, 23.1, 26.1-5, 32.1, 66.1-4.

    Okay, I changed the orientation from horizontal to 45 degrees up and now receive the 9.1 signal (still shown as 22.1 for the other tuner), but lose 26.1-5, 32.1 and 66.1-4. Probably a fair trade-off. Still doesn't resolve the 23.1 and 13.1 issues, though.
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    Default Re: OTA DTV Continuing 'Technical Difficulties'

    Quote Originally Posted by salmoned View Post
    Rusty old rabbit ears, elevated to second floor ceiling level, parallel to window frame.

    Okay, I changed the orientation from horizontal to 45 degrees up and now receive the 9.1 signal (still shown as 22.1 for the other tuner), but lose 26.1-5, 32.1 and 66.1-4. Probably a fair trade-off. Still doesn't resolve the 23.1 and 13.1 issues, though.
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    Default Re: OTA DTV Continuing 'Technical Difficulties'

    Ewa Beach - all back to normal now, except for no program info for 23.1 and program info/time signal 1 day in the future for 13.1.
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    Default Re: KHNL Time Signal, SNL Blackout

    Finally, KHNL has corrected their DTV time signal to today (from tomorrow). Hooray, now the integrated program guide can be used.

    However, a blank signal was broadcasted (OTA) for the first 17 minutes of the Saturday Night Live program this last weekend! I was recording the program. First, the test pattern appeared for less than a minute, then nothing. The signal returned in the middle of the 'sisters' song skit. 17 minutes of nothing, yet I haven't heard an apology or recognition of the fact. The analog signal was unaffected.
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    Default Re: KHNL Time Signal, SNL Blackout

    Eventually all the stations will get this OTA DTV stuff right. February is just around the corner and I have been told by an engineer at one station that OTA analog on the neighbor islands are going away soon.... like sometime this year. (moving Maui transmitters down the hill).....
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    Default Re: KHNL Time Signal, SNL Blackout

    Quote Originally Posted by mel View Post
    Eventually all the stations will get this OTA DTV stuff right. February is just around the corner and I have been told by an engineer at one station that OTA analog on the neighbor islands are going away soon.... like sometime this year. (moving Maui transmitters down the hill).....
    Aw, crap. I better get things moving then.
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    Default Digital TV Over The Air

    I've merged 2 threads on digital TV over the air into this one thread. The new thread title is "Digital TV Over the Air" and can be used to address all issues regarding the broadcast and receiving on digital TV signals over the air in the State of Hawaii.

    The January 15 cut-off date for analog is official. Those who need to get the digital converter boxes for OTA reception need to hurry.


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    Quote Originally Posted by mel View Post
    The January 15 cut-off date for analog is official.
    Now, if they can just stop airing those ridiculous national PSA about the February 17, 2009 DTV transition, and air something more locally informative...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Random View Post
    Now, if they can just stop airing those ridiculous national PSA about the February 17, 2009 DTV transition, and air something more locally informative...
    KGMB reported tonight on their 6 o'clock news that anchor persons from several local stations came to the KGMB studio to record PSAs to address the new deadline.

    http://kgmb9.com/main/content/view/10514/40/

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    Aloha from the mainland. I was out in Kaneohe last month visiting my wife's family and tried to setup OTA for my in-laws HD ready monitor. Here's a run down of my experience. First, it took 3 different Radio Shacks to finally find one that stocked an antenna at a 30% premium compared to CA (built one out of coathangers in the interim just to check signal and succeeded getting ION out of Kailua). When I used the Shack's v90 antenna, I got ABC (9.1) and the 4 ION channels. I returned a month later with a PCT signal booster from ebay. This gave me CBS, FOX, and WB, on top of my other channels from before. The tuner I used was a Sony Direct TV receiver. I've never used the store bought boxes because they don't do Hi-Def. Normally, I use Samsung instead of Sony receivers because they are superior. Samsung's have a signal strength meter, Sony's don't, and I find the Samsung tuner more sensitive in general. If I continue doing this, I'd return with a Sammy. However, my in-laws do have cable, so it might be easier just to get them a Kworld QAM tuner for the Hi-Def. Still, if you want to break the Oceanic Monopoly (or start a side business) it is possible to get Hi-Def over the Pali. Let me know if you need more info. I've done a half dozen of these transitions, including using just a computer monitor. No one should have to pay for TV.
    Total cost for this experiment was about $180.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mred1269 View Post
    it is possible to get Hi-Def over the Pali.
    From Honolulu? Depending on the location you can get a knife-edge effect and a surprisingly strong signal.

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    If I do take a Samsung receiver with me next time I'm out. I'll try to post some signal strength information.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeckoGeek View Post
    From Honolulu? Depending on the location you can get a knife-edge effect and a surprisingly strong signal.
    I don't think there is a repeater in Kaneohe or Kailua.

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    Default Hawaii's DTV Transition May Happen Sooner

    http://mobile.multichannel.com/index...leid=CA6603684

    Washington -- TV stations in Hawaii are in serious discussions to make the digital TV transition on Jan. 15 -- more than a month before the rest of the country -- partly to avoid disturbance to the nesting habitat of the dark-rumped petrel near existing analog broadcast towers.
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    Default Re: Hawaii's DTV Transition May Happen Sooner

    We've already had some discussion at this thread:

    http://www.hawaiithreads.com/showthr...t=15406&page=2

    The changeover to digital will adversely effect those people who have only OTA TV and are not prepared for the transition in time. The problem is that local and national TV announcements have consistently mentioned the February 17, 2009 cut-off date... and I think like anything else, a lot of people will wait until the last minute to take care of this.

    Going OTA Digital earlier than Feb. 17 will catch a lot of people off guard unless very good notification goes out soon. Especially for the neighbor islands where this transmitter move is apparently being hastened.

    It is possible that some people getting OTA on analog from the Maui transmitters may see reduced reception or none at all because the new tower locations will be further downslope instead of near the top of Haleakala. Also some stations on the VHF dial will move to UHF. Signals from UHF are not as strong or far reaching as VHF.

    People with cable and satellite have nothing to worry about on this.

    Erika Engle also covered this in today's Buzz:

    http://tinyurl.com/4s8qel

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