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    Default Re: OTA DTV Continuing 'Technical Difficulties'

    Rusty old rabbit ears, elevated to second floor ceiling level, parallel to window frame. 5.1 displays as RF23.1 (channel 5 is best analog reception, too), 13.1 displays date and schedule info for tomorrow, 9.1 no signal (listed as 22.1 on my recorder's tuner - still no signal). Full listing of current digital reception - 2.1, 2.2, 4.1, 4.2 (weather), 4.3 (no programming), 11.1, 11.2, 13.1, 13.2 (weather), 20.1, 23.1, 26.1-5, 32.1, 66.1-4.

    Okay, I changed the orientation from horizontal to 45 degrees up and now receive the 9.1 signal (still shown as 22.1 for the other tuner), but lose 26.1-5, 32.1 and 66.1-4. Probably a fair trade-off. Still doesn't resolve the 23.1 and 13.1 issues, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by salmoned View Post
    Rusty old rabbit ears, elevated to second floor ceiling level, parallel to window frame.

    Okay, I changed the orientation from horizontal to 45 degrees up and now receive the 9.1 signal (still shown as 22.1 for the other tuner), but lose 26.1-5, 32.1 and 66.1-4. Probably a fair trade-off. Still doesn't resolve the 23.1 and 13.1 issues, though.
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    Default Re: OTA DTV Continuing 'Technical Difficulties'

    Ewa Beach - all back to normal now, except for no program info for 23.1 and program info/time signal 1 day in the future for 13.1.
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    Default Re: KHNL Time Signal, SNL Blackout

    Finally, KHNL has corrected their DTV time signal to today (from tomorrow). Hooray, now the integrated program guide can be used.

    However, a blank signal was broadcasted (OTA) for the first 17 minutes of the Saturday Night Live program this last weekend! I was recording the program. First, the test pattern appeared for less than a minute, then nothing. The signal returned in the middle of the 'sisters' song skit. 17 minutes of nothing, yet I haven't heard an apology or recognition of the fact. The analog signal was unaffected.
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    Default Re: KHNL Time Signal, SNL Blackout

    Eventually all the stations will get this OTA DTV stuff right. February is just around the corner and I have been told by an engineer at one station that OTA analog on the neighbor islands are going away soon.... like sometime this year. (moving Maui transmitters down the hill).....
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    Default Re: KHNL Time Signal, SNL Blackout

    Quote Originally Posted by mel View Post
    Eventually all the stations will get this OTA DTV stuff right. February is just around the corner and I have been told by an engineer at one station that OTA analog on the neighbor islands are going away soon.... like sometime this year. (moving Maui transmitters down the hill).....
    Aw, crap. I better get things moving then.
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    Default Re: KHNL Time Signal, SNL Blackout

    On Molokai what OTA channels do you get?

    2, 4, 9, 11, 13, 14, 20, 26, 32, 38, 44, 56, 60, 66 - analog OTA Oahu; some are LP

    3, 7, 10, 12, 15, 21, 27 - analog OTA Maui

    Can't remember what any of the OTA digital equivalents are/will be.

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    Default Re: KHNL Time Signal, SNL Blackout

    For Maui

    analog 3 will be digital 24
    analog 15 will be digital 16
    analog 7, 10, 12 and 21 will reuse the same channels for digital.

    FWIW, there is no app. for 27 to move from Haleakala or convert to digital, it's a LP so it's not required to convert. But the lack of a CP to move to Ulupalakua is interesting.

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    Default Re: KHNL Time Signal, SNL Blackout

    Quote Originally Posted by mel View Post
    On Molokai what OTA channels do you get?

    3, 7, 10, 12, 15, 21, 27 - analog OTA Maui
    Well, it could be because of my dad's old VHF antenna (God Bless his soul, but he was cheap), I only get the first five Maui channels above.

    This is on the Kaunakaka'i [town] side. Those on the West End -- like the nearly-dead town of Maunaloa -- may catch Honolulu's OTA channels better.
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    Default Hawaii's DTV Transition May Happen Sooner

    http://mobile.multichannel.com/index...leid=CA6603684

    Washington -- TV stations in Hawaii are in serious discussions to make the digital TV transition on Jan. 15 -- more than a month before the rest of the country -- partly to avoid disturbance to the nesting habitat of the dark-rumped petrel near existing analog broadcast towers.
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    Default Re: Hawaii's DTV Transition May Happen Sooner

    We've already had some discussion at this thread:

    http://www.hawaiithreads.com/showthr...t=15406&page=2

    The changeover to digital will adversely effect those people who have only OTA TV and are not prepared for the transition in time. The problem is that local and national TV announcements have consistently mentioned the February 17, 2009 cut-off date... and I think like anything else, a lot of people will wait until the last minute to take care of this.

    Going OTA Digital earlier than Feb. 17 will catch a lot of people off guard unless very good notification goes out soon. Especially for the neighbor islands where this transmitter move is apparently being hastened.

    It is possible that some people getting OTA on analog from the Maui transmitters may see reduced reception or none at all because the new tower locations will be further downslope instead of near the top of Haleakala. Also some stations on the VHF dial will move to UHF. Signals from UHF are not as strong or far reaching as VHF.

    People with cable and satellite have nothing to worry about on this.

    Erika Engle also covered this in today's Buzz:

    http://tinyurl.com/4s8qel

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    Default Re: OTA DTV Continuing 'Technical Difficulties'

    It looks like the expedited Hawaii DTV transition is a "go"

    http://www.starbulletin.com/news/breaking/30980884.html
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    Default Re: OTA DTV Continuing 'Technical Difficulties'

    What? Kaua'i not crossing over to digital OTA? I'm jealous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Random View Post
    What? Kaua'i not crossing over to digital OTA? I'm jealous.
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    Default Re: OTA DTV Continuing 'Technical Difficulties'

    Kauai is served by low power repeaters and they are not required by the FCC to end analog broadcasting on Feb. 17, 2009. However, the FCC will eventually set a deadline for LP stations to convert.
    Beyond Kauai this also affects the following:

    Oahu-KHLU(Univision)
    Maui-KFVE repeater
    Hilo-KHHB and repeaters for KHET and KFVE.

    KHLU, KHET and KHHB has apps with the FCC to convert the repeaters to digital, the other as yet have not.

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    Default Digital TV Over The Air

    I've merged 2 threads on digital TV over the air into this one thread. The new thread title is "Digital TV Over the Air" and can be used to address all issues regarding the broadcast and receiving on digital TV signals over the air in the State of Hawaii.

    The January 15 cut-off date for analog is official. Those who need to get the digital converter boxes for OTA reception need to hurry.


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    Quote Originally Posted by mel View Post
    The January 15 cut-off date for analog is official.
    Now, if they can just stop airing those ridiculous national PSA about the February 17, 2009 DTV transition, and air something more locally informative...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ninja View Post
    Kauai is served by low power repeaters and they are not required by the FCC to end analog broadcasting on Feb. 17, 2009. However, the FCC will eventually set a deadline for LP stations to convert.
    Beyond Kauai this also affects the following:

    Oahu-KHLU(Univision)
    Maui-KFVE repeater
    Hilo-KHHB and repeaters for KHET and KFVE.

    KHLU, KHET and KHHB has apps with the FCC to convert the repeaters to digital, the other as yet have not.
    What about the KFVE repeater on Maui?

    Would be nice if Kaunakakai can catch K5 The Home Team channel 27(?).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Random View Post
    Now, if they can just stop airing those ridiculous national PSA about the February 17, 2009 DTV transition, and air something more locally informative...
    KGMB reported tonight on their 6 o'clock news that anchor persons from several local stations came to the KGMB studio to record PSAs to address the new deadline.

    http://kgmb9.com/main/content/view/10514/40/

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    Quote Originally Posted by mel View Post
    KGMB reported tonight on their 6 o'clock news that anchor persons from several local stations came to the KGMB studio to record PSAs to address the new deadline.

    http://kgmb9.com/main/content/view/10514/40/
    Sweet. Now when will they start airing the new PSA?

    I hope they would feature a spotlight about the DTV transition all over the islands and not just Oahu, Maui, and BI.
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    Default Re: Digital TV Over The Air

    PBS screwed up the first 1/2 hour of the 'Chicago Seven' Independent Lens program last night. It just kept repeating a 5 second audio clip instead of the actual soundtrack. Hooey! I'm sending in my membership check anyway - so I can get one of those honu towels...
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    Default Re: Digital TV Over The Air

    Who decided to advance the switch to all digital one month early here on Oahu and who do I call to argue against it? Last night I missed recording 'The Rocky Horror Picture Show' and had to watch 'Survivor' on analog due to excessive dropouts 'freezing' the picture on the digital broadcasts. The OTA program guide for channel 13.1 has returned to displaying tomorrow's programming and 5.1 still displays as RF23.1 (with no programming guide). I realize OTA viewers are a small minority, but we deserve better reliability than what we're currently getting in exchange for the free bandwidth the broadcasters enjoy.
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    Mike Rosenberg @ KITV is the "coordinator" for Hawaii broadcasters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by salmoned View Post
    Who decided to advance the switch to all digital one month early here on Oahu and who do I call to argue against it? Last night I missed recording 'The Rocky Horror Picture Show' and had to watch 'Survivor' on analog due to excessive dropouts 'freezing' the picture on the digital broadcasts. The OTA program guide for channel 13.1 has returned to displaying tomorrow's programming and 5.1 still displays as RF23.1 (with no programming guide). I realize OTA viewers are a small minority, but we deserve better reliability than what we're currently getting in exchange for the free bandwidth the broadcasters enjoy.

    Once analog goes away, there will be some changes made that will improve reception of the DTV signals.

    KGMB has been approved to relocate it's transmitter to Palehua Ridge and will output 40kw ERP from that location versus the 15kw ERP that it currently outputs from it's Kapiolani Tower.

    KHET will return to using RF11 after the shutdown and operate with 28.7kw versus only 9.5kw it's operating at now on RF18.

    Sadly KHNL/KFVE appear to be doing as little as they can get away with to service OTA users, they aren't improving their signal after the transition and the PSIP data issue should actually be forwarded to the FCC for non-compliance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ninja View Post
    Sadly KHNL/KFVE appear to be doing as little as they can get away with to service OTA users, they aren't improving their signal after the transition and the PSIP data issue should actually be forwarded to the FCC for non-compliance.
    Yeah, I kinda get the big hint when they decided to use cable channel number "8" in their advertisements, instead of OTA [Honolulu] "13."

    (BTW, while I was living on Honolulu, both stations' audio sucks volume-wise on analog OTA.)

    That's great for you guys in Honolulu, but I still don't know what's going on for the neighbor island viewers (or in my case, trying to catch UHF-ranged signals from Maui to my home in Molokai). Makes me wonder why can't we the public vote whether to have OTA digital TV transition or not any more than the Honolulu residents voting for rail transit. Have the US government done studies in our own environment/terrain that OTA digital TV broadcasting is doable, or did they rolled over and make waiver to appease cable and dish services?

    Digital TV may be great but I would consider it a failure if I can't watch it with my rooftop antenna.
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