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  • Using fuels other than crude oil for transportation use

    Originally posted by Random View Post
    I wonder what happens if fossil fuel is finally dried up? What else can they make jet fuel out of?
    I suspect one could use hydrogen (from water) or alcohol (from various plants) for fuel but then again the engine using these fuels would be different too.
    Last edited by helen; July 17, 2008, 07:53 PM.

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    Re: Using fuels other than crude oil

    Originally posted by helen View Post
    I suspect one could use hydrogen (from water) or alcohol (from various plants) for fuel but then again the engine using these fuels would be different too.
    Planes will have to be replaced, unless Boeing have plans to retrofit existing planes with new engines.

    So do cars, and that is going to hurt a lot of people when fossil-based gas is gone.
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    • #3
      Re: Using fuels other than crude oil

      Algae.

      There's a company who is working on extracting a crude oil substitute from algae. They say you can process it in refineries and make gasoline and diesel and jet fuel from it, just like from petroleum.

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      • #4
        Re: Using fuels other than crude oil

        Helen...

        Your concerns aren't not too far off the mark, actually. And the answers are closer to a practical reality than one might suspect.

        Branson from Virgin Atlantic ran one engine of a 747 with a mix of biofuel and jet A just to prove it can be done. Nothing special was done to the aircraft. Jet turbines are known to be able to use a wide variety of fuels, unlike gas engines.

        http://www.time.com/time/health/arti...717009,00.html

        And there are some interesting developments where algae is grown in slim vertical tanks to produce a type of vegetable oil. There's plans to do that here.

        http://www.bizjournals.com/pacific/s...8800%5E1650634

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        • #5
          Re: Using fuels other than crude oil

          Here's another idea. Researchers have come up with a way to create hydrocarbon fuels from lignin -- in other words, from wood! -- using high temperature and pressure. No biology needed.

          http://technology.newscientist.com/c...o-biofuel.html

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          • #6
            Re: Using fuels other than crude oil

            Originally posted by Eric View Post
            Algae.

            There's a company who is working on extracting a crude oil substitute from algae. They say you can process it in refineries and make gasoline and diesel and jet fuel from it, just like from petroleum.
            We should use the Pacific Ocean for our algae farm.

            Then again, we'll probably ticked off some environmentalists.

            There is always an environmentalist when it comes to extracting resources.
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              Re: Using fuels other than crude oil

              Originally posted by Glen Miyashiro View Post
              Here's another idea. Researchers have come up with a way to create hydrocarbon fuels from lignin -- in other words, from wood! -- using high temperature and pressure. No biology needed.

              http://technology.newscientist.com/c...o-biofuel.html
              I dunno. Are there enough sawdust in the world to help curb fossil fuel use?
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                Re: Using fuels other than crude oil

                Originally posted by Random View Post
                We should use the Pacific Ocean for our algae farm.

                Then again, we'll probably ticked off some environmentalists.

                There is always an environmentalist when it comes to extracting resources.
                The thin vertical tanks are more efficient. Light gets attenuated real fast in water, so deep oceans are lousy places to cultivate algae. Not to mention the stuff just drifting off if it's not encased or enclosed.

                Here's a comparison of the amount of oil produced per acre by various crops. http://oakhavenpc.org/cultivating_algae.htm

                Corn 18
                Soybeans 48
                Safflower 83
                Sunflower 102
                Rapeseed 127
                Oil Palm 635
                Micro Algae 5000-15000

                If it works as advertised, it looks like a much better option than getting fuel from any land crop.

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                • #9
                  Re: Using fuels other than crude oil

                  Originally posted by Composite 2992 View Post
                  The thin vertical tanks are more efficient. Light gets attenuated real fast in water, so deep oceans are lousy places to cultivate algae. Not to mention the stuff just drifting off if it's not encased or enclosed.
                  In that case, we should designate Kahoolawe as a prime real estate for algae farm.
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                  • #10
                    Re: Using fuels other than crude oil

                    Did anybody listen to the 2nd hour of www.coasttocoastam.com the other night (Thursday?) as a guest told about the history of oil/gas, and alcohol as petrol before John Rockefeller schemed it into prohibition and letting oil take over? Another total scam on us. Very interesting show/interview with a guy who knew his stuff on the subject.

                    It's still a very viable way to go with lot's of side benefits to using the by-products.

                    Another guy called in last night asking about potent China Berries to make fuel.
                    https://www.facebook.com/Bobby-Ingan...5875444640256/

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                    • #11
                      Re: Using fuels other than crude oil

                      Here's something else that's interesting. Oil and natural gas seepage off the coast of California. Apparently there's a lot of it there.

                      http://www.thedailysound.com/2008/06...dangerous.html
                      http://www.soscalifornia.org/index.html

                      As for doing algae cultivation on Kahoolawe, it's easier to do it on the Big Island or other places where there's lots of sunlight, relatively cheap land, easy access to power to run pumps and a processing plant, and a convenient way to ship out the products.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Using fuels other than crude oil

                        And how about running a car on air?

                        Just a couple of years, my friends!

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                          Re: Using fuels other than crude oil

                          Originally posted by Random View Post
                          We should use the Pacific Ocean for our algae farm.

                          Then again, we'll probably ticked off some environmentalists.

                          There is always an environmentalist when it comes to extracting resources.
                          Hopefully, they can continue to bring down the cost of converting algae into oil. And then to be able to mass-produce enough of it to make a significant dent in our oil imports.

                          But even if everyone's wildest dreams come true and algae makes our country energy self-sufficient, I wouldn't be surprised if enemy nations engage in eco-terrorism to wage havoc in the world.
                          Last edited by Frankie's Market; July 20, 2008, 12:27 AM.
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                            Re: Using fuels other than crude oil

                            Originally posted by Ron Whitfield View Post
                            a guest told about the history of oil/gas, and alcohol as petrol before John Rockefeller schemed it into prohibition and letting oil take over? Another total scam on us.
                            Also interesting is the way John Rockefeller’s family founded the Trilateral Commission and schemed to empower the Bilderberg Group, a powerful organization bent on world domination which issues its decrees and commands to our puppet presidents (i.e. George Bush, Barack Obama, etc.) through the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR). Welcome to the New World Order.

                            We can’t be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americans.

                            — U.S. President Bill Clinton
                            USA TODAY, page 2A
                            11 March 1993

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                            • #15
                              Re: Using fuels other than crude oil

                              I'd think the ideal would be some sort of photovoltaic system on every roof (with batteries for storage), providing most of the energy for the home and car.

                              This could be for electric cars or for producing hydrogen.

                              I don't know if it would be more economical, but since this is a somewhat theoretical conversation, it makes more sense than producing, refining, and shipping over some distance.

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