View Poll Results: Who Should John McCain Choose For Vice President?

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    2 10.53%
  • Charlie Crist (Florida governor)

    0 0%
  • Bobby Jindal (LA Governor)

    0 0%
  • Mike Huckabee (former AK governor)

    0 0%
  • Rudy Giuliani (former NYC mayor)

    1 5.26%
  • Joe Lieberman (CT senator)

    3 15.79%
  • Tim Pawlenty (MN governor)

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  • Hillary Clinton (NY senator)

    3 15.79%
  • Linda Lingle (Hawaii governor)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spin Dr. View Post
    I'm sorry, but how does "being in the spotlight" make him any more qualified than Gov. Palin? Because that should be what this is all about, shouldn't it?
    You are right. But how are voters supposed to make a determination in their minds about who is more qualified for office? Like it or not, national exposure and media scrutiny are the tools by which most voters use to educate themselves and to familiarize themselves with the candidates.

    Hey, it works both ways. At the beginning of this year (and even into August), many polls say that people assumed that McCain would be a better Commander-in-Chief than Obama. Why? A big reason for the assumption was because the nation was much more familiar with the Arizona Senator, having previously run for President in 2000. And of course, McCain could say that he's been in Washington years longer than Obama.

    Right now, Obama is in a very serious position to be elected the next President of the US, despite his relative newcomer status. But this position wasn't just handed to him, Spin Dr. If I may remind you, it took 19 months of campaigning, hard work, debates, and media scrutiny to get to this point where many people in this country feel that he has passed the threshold of being qualified to be President.

    And you think that Sarah Palin can similarly pass this threshold in a mere 48 hours after being picked by McCain.

    I don't think so!

    This is not to say that Gov. Palin cannot be a competent vice-president or president. I'm not so close-minded as to make that conclusion just yet. But she has to make the case to the American public that she is ready to be this nation's Commander-in-Chief. And unlike Obama who had 19 months to make his case, Palin has about 65 days. But thems da breaks.
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    Rumors are rumors until proven true. Just like the rumor started by Rove and Bush in 2000 that McCain's adopted daughter is actually his, conceived via an extra-marital affair he had with an African-American woman.

    What bothers pople I think about Palin's child not being hers, rather it being her grandchild is the lying or hiding of the truth. It might not be anyone's business but people like to know the truth.

    If the rumor is true, might cause an embarrassment to the family, but I don't think an end to her campaign as VP. Just fess up and tell the truth, people like honesty, might be a reason Clinton was eventually forgiven and Edwards might as well down the line.

    Now if she is investigated for some ethics violation regarding the dismissal of her brother in law's boss, that is a different story. It shows an abuse of powers and also maybe she is a perfect running mate for McCain considering she obviously has a temper like he does to do things like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LikaNui View Post
    To me, it's the pettiness and (dare I say it spell it?) frivolity of so many Americans that never ceases to amaze (and disappoint) me.
    While I feel strongly that Palin is a horrible choice for VP, I completely fail to see how her teenage daughter's alleged pregnancy has anything whatsoever to do with the VP position.
    If Palin herself has skeletons in her closet, those are fair game.
    If a family member is a convicted axe murderer or child molester, that's newsworthy and pretty fair game.
    A teenage pregnancy? Pffffffffbt.
    I found out about the rumor yesterday and didn't mention it here. But now that the cat is out of the bag,....

    If the rumor is indeed false, then whoever started it is a real scumbag.

    But *if* the rumor is true, then it cannot easily be dismissed as mere pettiness or treated as a frivolous tabloid story. Remember! We are talking about the chief executive of a state flat out lying to her constituents. Lying about her own health status is a very serious matter, as it could have a dramatic impact on her capacity to carry out the duties she has sworn to uphold.

    If this turns out to be true, then Palin's candidacy is toast. No way would the American public entrust her with the 2nd (and possibly, the first!) most powerful job in the world to someone who would tell such a serious lie, even if it was to protect her daughter.
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    I do hope this rumor is a non-starter that will blow up in the face of the democraticunderground.com & Daily Kos folks who savour schadenfreude, but all points seem to lead to Bristol, sadly enough.

    In the end, I don't think it will matter who wins this election. Our government officials and the voters lack the cajones to make the tough decisions to get our country fiscally solvent and the wisdom to use our military force responsibly and appropriately.
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    Does anybody think congress should appropriate $65 million and appoint a special prosecutor to muck around in the Palin family's private life?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LikaNui View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by TuNnL View Post
    Absolutely. But certainly, being in the spotlight is part of the qualification process. Palin has been under it for less than 48 hours, and already a currently ongoing scandal of hers has been brought to the forefront. Being the chief executive means you need to be able to make snap decisions under national scrutiny. And unless you are a national leader to begin with, hiding in a state that rarely makes headlines means you are a Panos Prevedouros in a Mufi Hannemann world. In short, Palin is literally a babe in the woods, and has yet to be under the microscope. The only national t.v. interview I know of that she made, was one in which she made a complete ass of herself.

    Some on this message board have argued for a shorter campaign season. I scoff at these individuals. The point of a long campaign is to see whether a candidate is able to weather the storm under the pressure of the national spotlight. Only after months of vetting and critical evaluation do we see which individual has demonstrated the strength of character that having to appeal to a diverse an audience as the U.S.A. and worldwide, can we truly know for sure that we have a worthy president or vice president-elect. The fact that you question the importance of this Spin Dr., demonstrates how naďve and illiterate you are of national politics.
    If you think being in the media spotlight makes someone more qualified to lead, then by all means, go ahead and vote that way. I'll wait until I can learn more about the candiates than whether they've been on TV and in the newspapers a lot before I decide to vote for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spin Dr. View Post
    If you think being in the media spotlight makes someone more qualified to lead, then by all means, go ahead and vote that way. I'll wait until I can learn more about the candiates than whether they've been on TV and in the newspapers a lot before I decide to vote for them.
    Hats off to you then, Spin Dr. If every voter was as inquisitive and curious about the candidates as you were, what a different world it would be.

    But in the real world, so many people are busy working 2 or more jobs, have family obligations, etc. Voter turnout is low in many communities. If anyone is serious about wanting to be elected to a major office, he/she can't be complacent, sit on their hands, and expect all the voters to carry out their own research as to where all the candidates stand on the issues. One has to aggressive, actively campaign, advertise, meet people, attend public functions, fundraise, etc. If someone doesn't, they don't stand much of a chance of getting elected, particularly for a statewide/national office.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frankie's Market View Post
    If this turns out to be true, then Palin's candidacy is toast. No way would the American public entrust her with the 2nd (and possibly, the first!) most powerful job in the world to someone who would tell such a serious lie, even if it was to protect her daughter.
    With all due respect, this is absurd. This is not lying about her health, it's lying to protect her family from idiots who have no business knowing stuff like this, including me and you. Whether or not the lying is beneficial to the child(ren) involved is another matter, but we all know people who grew up thinking their biological mothers were really their biological siblings, and that their biological grandparents were really their parents. I don't know if this is good or bad; I know people who don't know this about themselves even in their early adulthood and I admit it concerns me, but even if these families run for public office, I don't see how this manner of child-raising has anything to do with their abilities to serve. Telling a lie to cover a shady business deal or a political deed is one thing; telling a lie to protect someone in your family, or telling a lie in a political arena about your sex life? Big deal. When we shouldn't be asking the questions in the first place, the lies are meaningless and we are guiltier of impropriety than the liars.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kalalau View Post
    Does anybody think congress should appropriate $65 million and appoint a special prosecutor to muck around in the Palin family's private life?
    This is exactly what I was thinking. Bill Clinton lied about sex and the GOP went so far as to make him only the second President ever impeached. Now here's a lie about the parenthood of a child in what appears to be a messy family situation. We all need to just chill. Politics is politics; family is family.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spin Dr. View Post
    I'll wait until I can learn more about the candiates than whether they've been on TV and in the newspapers a lot before I decide to vote for them.
    And THAT is called the media spotlight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scrivener View Post
    Telling a lie to cover a shady business deal or a political deed is one thing; telling a lie to protect someone in your family, or telling a lie in a political arena about your sex life? Big deal. This is exactly what I was thinking. Bill Clinton lied about sex and the GOP went so far as to make him only the second President ever impeached.
    This is the same GOP that has run our country for the last 8 years and wants to run it for at least 4 more. Pathetic. 65 million.
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    Quote Originally Posted by matapule View Post
    This is the same GOP that has run our country for the last 8 years and wants to run it for at least 4 more. Pathetic. 65 million.
    What? 65 million what?
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    What? 65 million what?
    Guessing? The bill Ken Starr charged to the American taxpayers to investigate a stained dress a decade ago?

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    Oh yeah, sorry. If I'd read a few responses up that woulda made sense to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spin Dr. View Post
    If you think being in the media spotlight makes someone more qualified to lead, then by all means, go ahead and vote that way. I'll wait until I can learn more about the candiates than whether they've been on TV and in the newspapers a lot before I decide to vote for them.
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    And THAT is called the media spotlight.
    Thank you, matapule. You took the words right out of my mouth. So enlighten me, Spin Dr. If you aren’t going to pay attention to whether the candidate has been on TV and in the newspaper, how the hell are you going to “learn more about them”? Hint: the Internet is the media spotlight too. Unless you mean you’re going to rely on more “independent research” like this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scrivener View Post
    With all due respect, this is absurd. This is not lying about her health,
    So lying to people about being pregnant when you're not,... is not lying about your health status?

    Now,... who's being "absurd" here?

    Listen, if you want to find some moral justification in anyone telling such a lie, then whatever. That can be legitimately debated. But let's not start losing a grip on simple logic.

    Quote Originally Posted by scrivener View Post
    it's lying to protect her family from idiots who have no business knowing stuff like this, including me and you.
    Lying to protect her family's public reputation? Maybe. A cynic would say it would be a lie to protect Sarah Palin's political future.

    It's up to each person to make up their mind about motives, just as I'm sure many people made up their own minds about John Edwards' motives for publicly admitting about having an extramarital affair with Rielle Hunter.

    Quote Originally Posted by scrivener View Post
    Telling a lie to cover a shady business deal or a political deed is one thing; telling a lie to protect someone in your family, or telling a lie in a political arena about your sex life? Big deal.
    If this rumor turns out to be true, then Gov. Palin's lie would be a "big deal" to me, and I'll tell you why.

    It's no secret that Palin is strongly pro-life. So much so that she opposes abortion, even in cases of rape and incest. That has made her the darling of the evangelical right-wingers.

    But the same group of voters has almost raised her status to that of sainthood when she supposedly gave birth to Trig. Palin was not shy in telling everyone about how the doctor diagnosed that her unborn baby had Downs Syndrome. She had the option of getting an abortion, which most parents would choose when faced with this situation. But her decision to have this child anyway made her a folk hero with the pro-lifers.

    Although I do not count myself in the pro-life camp, I have to admit that when I first heard the story of Gov. Palin going through with the decision of giving birth and raising a Down Syndrome baby, my initial reaction was one of admiration. Here, I thought, was a pro-life politician who doesn't just talk the talk, but she's willing to walk the walk.

    Even now, my admiration still stands. But if it is ever proven that this whole thing was a lie, then my admiration for Palin would turn to disappointment. Anyone who would concoct such a scheme for political gain,..... that would be so pathetic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by U'ilani View Post
    I do hope this rumor is a non-starter that will blow up in the face of the democraticunderground.com & Daily Kos folks who savour schadenfreude,
    I know what you mean, but there is no denying that the National Enquirer (another "news source" of questionable value) broke the John Edwards story. I am all for freedom of the press and I include democraticunderground and dailykos in that group. They just better be prepared to be sued if they don't get it right.
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    Fair enough. I hadn't thought of it that way, and while my inclination is still to see this issue as a family issue, you've definitely given me something else to consider.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frankie's Market View Post
    Although I do not count myself in the pro-life camp, I have to admit that when I first heard the story of Gov. Palin going through with the decision of giving birth and raising a Down Syndrome baby, my initial reaction was one of admiration. Here, I thought, was a pro-life politician who doesn't just talk the talk, but she's willing to walk the walk.

    Even now, my admiration still stands. But if it is ever proven that this whole thing was a lie, then my admiration for Palin would turn to disappointment. Anyone who would concoct such a scheme for political gain,..... that would be so pathetic.
    I don't count myself in the pro-life camp but not pro-abortion either. IF THE STORY IS TRUE.....I would have admired Gov. Palin if she had said, "my daughter was pregnant with a special needs baby, we encouraged her to give birth because my husband and I don't believe in abortion. Now my daughter and the baby need lots of help and love and my husband and I are going to insure that happens forever. " Now that is a person I could admire. That is someone who talks the talk and walks the walk!

    Is it any of our business? No, as her private life it is none of our business, but IF she has participated in a coverup and lying for political gain, then it becomes our business. Clinton didn't have an affair with "that woman, Ms Lewinsky" for political gain. He did it to satisify his libido. I don't judge Clinton for having the affair, that is his private matter. His lying about it when caught is pathetic.
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    This probably should go under a different thread, but the conversation started here - so I'll ask the question here. Everyone is discussing whether or not Palin's down syndrome baby is really hers or her daughter's. Aren't down syndrome babies generally born to "older" mothers? I was under the impression that this occurs almost exclusively to women in their 40's. If that is the case, doesn't it automatically dispel the rumor? Or am I missing something?

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    A simple blood test would settle it. Maybe Maury Povich has some time available.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acousticlady View Post
    Everyone is discussing whether or not Palin's down syndrome baby is really hers or her daughter's. Aren't down syndrome babies generally born to "older" mothers? I was under the impression that this occurs almost exclusively to women in their 40's.
    It’s easy to get that impression because the likelihood of diagnosis increases as women get older. But a simple check of the National Down Syndrome website gives you the facts:
    80% of babies with Down syndrome are born to women under 35 years of age
    The real problem here, is that the youngest age group for mothers in Down Syndrome baby studies is 20-24. Bristol Palin is only 16. Relevant or irrelevant, it’s notable that teen pregnancy results in a disproportionately larger amount of birth defects.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acousticlady View Post
    Aren't down syndrome babies generally born to "older" mothers? I was under the impression that this occurs almost exclusively to women in their 40's. If that is the case, doesn't it automatically dispel the rumor? Or am I missing something?
    Yes, you are missing the big picture. The incidence of Down Syndrome babies born to women over 40 increases from 1% to 3%. That is a threefold increase. But, 80% of Down Syndriome babies are born to women who are under 35 years of age, just by sheer numbers alone. So if you are comparing a 16 year old to a 44 year old, statistical probability says that the baby is the 16 year old's.

    But I am not interested in statistical probability in this case. I am interested in the possibility that a politician may have used this incident for her own political gain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TuNnL View Post
    Thank you, matapule. You took the words right out of my mouth. So enlighten me, Spin Dr. If you aren’t going to pay attention to whether the candidate has been on TV and in the newspaper, how the hell are you going to “learn more about them”? Hint: the Internet is the media spotlight too. Unless you mean you’re going to rely on more “independent research” like this.
    TuNnL, you and Matapule missed my point completely. I never said I wasn't going to pay attention to the media - I said just being in the media spotlight doesn't make someone qualified to lead. It simply means we "know" more about them. Maybe what people know about Sen. Obama makes them want to vote for him; fine. But people are bashing Gov. Palin because she hasn't been in media spotlight like Obama has, yet we've only known she would be tapped for the VP position for what, three days? Obama's been running for President -- not VP -- for what seems like forever. Of course he has an advantage in that regard. But they're acting like it's Palin's fault that we don't know more about her, and claiming she's not qualified because of it. Like Frankie's Market pointed out, we don't know if she's qualified yet, and do simply dismiss her without learning more about her is irresponsible, in my opinion. And Frankie, I also agree that candidates really have to be aggressive in their marketing of themeselves, because many people don't have the luxury of the time and wherewithal to research the candidiates - but again, it's not Gov. Palin's fault we don't know much about her (yet).

    I'm just saying I'm willing to wait a little longer to find out more about her before making a decision -- a rather important one, I might add -- that will impact our nation's future. And yes, I'll be watching the media coverage of both parties to try and make the most enlightened decision I can. Does Obama have an advanatge over her in regards to what we know about them? Absolutely. But she's not running against Obama, per se -- Sen. McCain is. Yes, she's an integral part of McCain's campaign, but she's not the only part.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matapule View Post
    But I am not interested in statistical probability in this case. I am interested in the possibility that a politician may have used this incident for her own political gain.
    Have she used it for political gain, or is it just the media that keep hammering it down our throats?

    Is she the only one or are there others, even if it is to promote healthcare, a hot issue in today's politics?
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