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    Quote Originally Posted by matapule View Post
    Sarah Palin has dragged her daughter into the campaign. Sarah Palin has made it relevant to the campaign. Don't blame HT members.
    Did Bristol made any mention that she didn't want to be there? Because other than holding her youngest brother, I don't see her kicking and screaming while she got on-stage with her mother and her family.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalihiboy View Post
    Here's a hypothetical question, if McCain had put Lingle on the ballot as VP going up against Obama, how would the state vote? I think they would go for Obama, but what do others think.
    Hey, I can only speak for my own vote.

    But if you're looking for an analysis, considering the Hawaii's majority have a history of supporting Democrats most of the time, it's obvious.
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    Back on topic. The Associated Press is running a story about Palin that includes this:
    The Arizona senator's campaign set the tone for the day early with a written statement that stood out for its admission that Palin is under siege _ it condemned "this vetting controversy" _ and for its attempt to blunt questions about how rigorously McCain and his campaign explored the background of a candidate who may get the nation's second most powerful job. It also suggested that Palin is a victim of gender bias in the media
    "This nonsense is over," senior campaign adviser Steve Schmidt declared in the statement, lashing out at "the old boys' network" that he says runs media organizations. "The McCain campaign will have no further comment about our long and thorough process," Schmidt said.
    I had to boldface the "long and thorough process" for the obvious reason that it's a ludicrous statement.
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    That's my story, and I'm sticking to it.

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    LOL, listen to these MSNBC political commentators, when they think the microphones are off (a bit of swearing).
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    Quote Originally Posted by MyopicJoe View Post
    LOL, listen to these MSNBC political commentators, when they think the microphones are off (a bit of swearing).
    That is funny! The sound on my laptop isn't too good and I couldn't hear all of it. Sure would like to see a transcript of what they said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by matapule View Post
    Sarah Palin has dragged her daughter into the campaign. Sarah Palin has made it relevant to the campaign. Don't blame HT members.
    And John McCain is bringing further attention to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MyopicJoe View Post
    LOL, listen to these MSNBC political commentators, when they think the microphones are off (a bit of swearing).
    And here is the transcript.
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    Ah, nice sluthing, matapule.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalihiboy View Post
    Hawaii voted for Reagan in 1984, last time the state pulled for a Republican. But 48 other states also voted for him.
    Same thing happened in 1972, when Nixon swamped McGovern.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kalihiboy View Post
    Here's a hypothetical question, if McCain had put Lingle on the ballot as VP going up against Obama, how would the state vote? I think they would go for Obama, but what do others think.
    I think Obama's popularity and the tarnished image of the Republican party would have been more than enough to offset whatever support Lingle would receive. It might be close if you just counted the Oahu and Maui vote, but the rest of the state would be overwhelmingly for Obama.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kalihiboy View Post
    I dont think Alaska has ever voted Democrat in a national election before, correct me if I'm wrong on this.
    Alaska was a blue state in 1964, when Johnson won in a landslide over Goldwater. And the election before that, Nixon prevailed over Kennedy in the 49th state, but only by a thousand votes.
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    National Enquirer came out with story today that Sarah Palin had an affair with her husband's business partner (The Palin's have some sort of parttime fishing business that generates about $45K a year in income). The NE says this story is coming from some disgruntled family members. According to NE the whole Palin family is quite dysfunctional. The conflict between Sarah Palin and her MIL, Faye Palin, is well documented.

    True or not? Who knows? The RNC is threatening the NE with a law suit if they don't retract. The NE is holding firm. According to NE they have staff in Alaska right now flushing out the story.

    Here is the problem for the Republicans. Just one month ago, they were lauding the NE for breaking the Edwards story. Now they are calling the NE trash news. The Republicans are trying to have it both ways. So far, the Dems are steering clear.
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    Here's something about that letter that's been going 'round:

    http://fairlyconservative.com/the-ra...y-from-alaska/

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    Well, Palin's speech was kinda cute, except it reminded me of this line from The Blues Brothers movie:
    "You know what a Wish Sandwich is? It's when you have two pieces of bread and you WISH you had some meat."
    Palin's speech had the bread, but absolutely no meat.
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    I liked her folksy, down-to-earthiness, and her attack on the elites and even big business (very populist!). Good job. The real test will be when she debates against Biden. The big question, though, is whether she can gain voters in those battleground states of Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Ohio. Too soon to tell, no matter what the overnight polling shows. But the debates will be interesting and will show if she really is ready for primetime or not.
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    Reminded me tooo much of my GOP mom: cynical, sarcastic, gleefully itchby.

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    Hmm, I would probably like LikaNui's mom.

    I think Peggy Noonan, she of the open microphone on MSN, was exactly right in how she described Palin:

    "Because she jumbles up so many cultural categories, because she is a feminist not in the Yale Gender Studies sense but the How Do I Reload This Thang way, because she is a woman who in style, history, moxie and femininity is exactly like a normal American feminist and not an Abstract Theory feminist; because she wears makeup and heels and eats mooseburgers and is Alaska Tough, as Time magazine put it; because she is conservative, and pro-2nd Amendment and pro-life; and because conservatives can smell this sort of thing -- who is really one of them and who is not -- and will fight to the death for one of their beleaguered own; because of all of this she is a real and present danger to the American left, and to the Obama candidacy.
    She could become a transformative political presence."

    I've spent some time in Alaska for work and most recently for a family vacation and I will tell you that the women in Alaska are hardworking, gritty, no-nonsense folk whom I admire greatly. I don't believe this qualifies one for the office of VP, but it does, for me, compete adequately with Obama's story of "personal discovery".

    But as I said, the debates are all-important. Then we will see if there is any meat to her personal narrative.
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    There is a really ugly rumor on the internetS now about the Palin family but of course I will not repeat it here. If it gets some mainstream press play, you will know exactly what I am talking about.

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    Her story could be made into a dark movie about the perfect family with secrets starring Joan Allen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by U'ilani View Post
    Hmm, I would probably like LikaNui's mom.
    Thanks! She was a nurse who gave up her career to raise her family. Sweet, unassuming, religious, salt of the earth. A wonderful woman. (I'm just not sure why she got brought into this thread.)

    But as I said, the debates are all-important. Then we will see if there is any meat to her personal narrative.
    Yep, that was my point too. She'll probably play well in rural small-town America, but poorly in urban metropolitan America.
    She stumbled in the very brief part of her speech that was even fractionally close to "meat" and which was clearly from the teleprompter and not from her personally. I expect Biden will eat her alive in their debate. She'll cram and will likely have pat platform answers, but how will she handle the curveballs?
    So far, the whole Republican convention has been no meat... just vicious negativity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalalau View Post
    There is a really ugly rumor on the internetS now about the Palin family but of course I will not repeat it here.
    Wow. You are smart.
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    Re: "Troopergate"

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26535299/

    "EAGLE RIVER, Alaska, Sept. 3 - Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, the running mate for GOP presidential candidate John McCain, wrote e-mails that harshly criticized Alaska state troopers for failing to fire her former brother-in-law and ridiculed an internal affairs investigation into his conduct.

    The e-mails were shown to The Washington Post by a former public safety commissioner, Walter Monegan, who was fired by Palin in July. Monegan has given copies of the e-mails to state ethics investigators to support his contention that he was dismissed for failing to fire Trooper Mike Wooten, who at the time was feuding with Palin's family.

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    Asked about the e-mails, Palin's campaign spokeswoman, Maria Comella, said that Palin was merely alerting officials to potential threats to her family and that there is no evidence that Palin ever ordered Wooten to be fired.

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    In August, Palin acknowledged that "pressure could have been perceived to exist, although I have only now become aware of it."

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    Quote Originally Posted by U'ilani View Post
    Hmm, I would probably like LikaNui's mom.
    Oops: It should read lavagal's mom, although I'm sure I would like LikaNui's mom as well.
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    Sarah Palin's husband has been a long time member of the Alaska Independence Party. Sarah Palin has attended their conventions, although never as an official member. Here is what the founder of the Alaska Independence Party wrote: “the fires of hell are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred for the American government.”

    With regard to these facts, this is what blogger "scientician" posted:

    "It really doesn't take much imagination to know how it would be taken if Obama had ever attended a Muslim Brotherhood or Black Panther convention, nevermind if Michelle Obama was herself an actual registered member of either organization."

    Interesting perspective. Could there possibly be a double standard in the GOP?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vanguard View Post
    Will Palin's mockery be okay if McCain now praises community organizers? All the talk about the folly of McCain/Palin's pandering to the Republican Right, when the votes they need are elsewhere, misses the point that Pat Buchanan made a couple of days ago. The idea behind choosing Palin was to secure the Republican base so that, while Palin keeps the conservatives happy, McCain can move to the center, where he needs to be to win.
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    Shameful. Maybe Photoshopped. Still gonna post it.

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