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    Whoooie Auntey GypsyLika!!, you my idol, li'dat!! Hoe, do unreal's yah!
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    Friends gave me a New Testament in pidgin, Da Jesus Book, published by Wycliffe Bible Translators. They employed 26 local speakers of Hawaiian pidgin and translated directly from the Greek with assistance from Wycliffe translators, and from English editions. The company is dedicated to spreading the word of God to all in every tongue. A sample reading, Romans 6:1: So den, wat? You tink we goin say, "Mo bad kine stuffs we do, dat goin make God do some mo plenny good kine stuffs fo us bumbye." We goin say all dat? Eh, no way! Us guys no mo notting fo do with da bad kine stuff! Az jalike we mahke awready. Cuz you know, one mahke guy no can do notting bad. If we stay jalike we mahke, how we goin stay doing da bad kine stuff? Dass no good!

    I have never attended a church service conducted in pidgin, it would be very interesting.

    Some linguists are concerned that pidgin may be dying out. It would be a shame if it did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Likeke View Post
    Whoooie Auntey GypsyLika!!, you my idol, li'dat!! Hoe, do unreal's yah!

    Gunnfunnit ha'come you neva say someting first, neva mind wait fo'me. I know huh frikas
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    Tita Lika, Das you? How you girl friend! Pidgin Power!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalalau View Post
    Friends gave me a New Testament in pidgin, Da Jesus Book, published by Wycliffe Bible Translators. They employed 26 local speakers of Hawaiian pidgin and translated directly from the Greek with assistance from Wycliffe translators, and from English editions. The company is dedicated to spreading the word of God to all in every tongue. A sample reading, Romans 6:1: So den, wat? You tink we goin say, "Mo bad kine stuffs we do, dat goin make God do some mo plenny good kine stuffs fo us bumbye." We goin say all dat? Eh, no way! Us guys no mo notting fo do with da bad kine stuff! Az jalike we mahke awready. Cuz you know, one mahke guy no can do notting bad. If we stay jalike we mahke, how we goin stay doing da bad kine stuff? Dass no good!

    I have never attended a church service conducted in pidgin, it would be very interesting.

    Some linguists are concerned that pidgin may be dying out. It would be a shame if it did.

    I love dat book. Its a great reference and it makes me laugh and smile and want to read more. I enjoy comparing it to the standard one.

    I think Pidgin has died out in da sense dat no moe plantations and dat da lifestyle is moe modern now, and get plenny TV, electonic games & computas fo'distraction.

    Languague evolves with each generation. Be sad yeah doe if nobody stay walaau in pidgin. At least get dis book fo'perpetuate da Pidgin. O'and Lee Tonouchi - wea you stay?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1stwahine View Post
    Tita Lika, Das you? How you girl friend! Pidgin Power!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by timkona View Post
    Been here 16 years now. Still speaking pidgin with malahine "training wheels". I seldom use it.

    Daughter unit is not allowed to bring it home.
    My retort is "I don't see feathers, so stop speaking pidgeon."

    I cringe when I hear it spoken at her school by the teachers.
    Why do you choose to live in a place where you have a general contempt for the people and their ways?
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    No contempt here. Seems that most here acknowledge that they know when to turn it on and turn it off. I'm giving my daughter lots of opportunity to practice the "turn it off" part.

    The only thing I find contemptuous is ignorance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Johanna View Post
    ( i am working on my masters thesis in English linguistics about Hawaiian Pidgin, or Hawaii Creole English)
    I suppose you know about this, but in case not, I'll mention Carol Odo's U. Hawaii dissertation on the phonology of Hawaiian English. She describes the sound structure of Hawaiian English as just a regional dialect of English. There's nothing special about it linguistically that would make us put it into a special category of "pidgins" or "creoles". Perhaps historically it arose in a special way, but now, it's become no more than a variety of American English. As I recall, Carol refers to it as Hawaii Standard English -- HSE.
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    Tim, if you were giving the kid 'practice' you'd make it a game for her rather than forbidding it in your house.

    Let her speak pidgin, then make her flip to standard English at a moment's notice....then have her flip back when you tell her to flip.

    Make it even more complicated, have her flip from pidgin, to proper English, to casual English at a moments notice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GregLee View Post
    I suppose you know about this, but in case not, I'll mention Carol Odo's U. Hawaii dissertation on the phonology of Hawaiian English. She describes the sound structure of Hawaiian English as just a regional dialect of English. There's nothing special about it linguistically that would make us put it into a special category of "pidgins" or "creoles". Perhaps historically it arose in a special way, but now, it's become no more than a variety of American English. As I recall, Carol refers to it as Hawaii Standard English -- HSE.

    I think so too. Da first generation of Pidgin was/is moe different den nowadays cause dat 1st generation was learned from people who came from da old country and/or Native Hawaiian speakas yeah. So den da language evolves into moe mainstream and closa to standard English now. Plus get TV & radio etc dat you hear everyday. Way befoe wen no had TV or radio listen to standard English, and if had only certain households had'em.

    So yeah I would tink Pidgin now is closa to regula den way different.

    Ooooh HSE = Hawaii Standard English dat sound junk. I like Pidgin - feddas and all. Also ain't dat kinda oxymoronic cause..... well neva mind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GypsyLika View Post
    Also ain't dat kinda oxymoronic cause..... well neva mind.
    You mean because "standard" implies a fixed invariable style, while HE speakers are notorious for the variability of their speech and for having mastered many styles? Well, it's arguable. But I think "standard English" comprises many speech varieties, as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by timkona View Post
    The only thing I find contemptuous is ignorance.
    And yet you "cringe" when you hear her teachers speaking pidgin. Are you not thinking less of them at that moment? You know, like they're ignorant and unfit to be teachers. Help me understand your kinder, gentler form of ethnocentrism.
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    The classroom is not the place to speak pidgin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by timkona View Post
    The classroom is not the place to speak pidgin.
    Would you make the same observation if they had been speaking Hawaiian?
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    Quote Originally Posted by timkona View Post
    The classroom is not the place to speak pidgin.

    That's what our teachas said ova and ova again everyday in school.
    And what happens when you tell kids NOT TO DO SOMETHING? Dats wot dey going do.

    A'ole pilikia. Its all good doe, us turned out betta den okay. Da locals & haoles I know who speak pidgin are all loud and proud. Us too busy having good fun to worry wedda proppa o'not. A place and time for everything yeah.\\000//
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    Very astute question sinjin. In fact, my daughter, a 2nd grader, learns some Hawaiian in school, from the Hawaiian studies teacher.

    I'm sure it will come in handy some day when she meets somebody who speaks no other language.
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    Quote Originally Posted by timkona View Post
    The classroom is not the place to speak pidgin.
    Well, if it’s an English course or Newswriting class, maybe. But why would it matter whether a Math instructor speaks pidgin? If it helps the teacher better relate algebra equations to students, I’m all for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TuNnL View Post
    Well, if it’s an English course or Newswriting class, maybe. But why would it matter whether a Math instructor speaks pidgin? If it helps the teacher better relate algebra equations to students, I’m all for it.
    Ha! Actually, using Pidgin in a math (or physics......) course can be really useful. We always teach that math is a language. Kids don't always understand that there are different ways of communicating ideas. Speaking in Pidgin, and then translating into standard English can be used as an example of different ways to express the same thought. Math being yet another way to express an idea. I usually then write out an idea in standard English (which will take up quite a bit of board space) and then express exact same idea in three little letters and an equal sign.

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    Math is also the greatest common denominator in the world. All people use base-10 arithmetic. So it's a terrific way to compare intelligence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sinjin View Post
    And yet you "cringe" when you hear her teachers speaking pidgin.
    I didn't cringe, but was more surprised when a female teacher said a swear word.

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    Whooie Aunty Lika!! whea u stay, li'dat. U just give'um yah! ( wit da motion swaying to the right ) Look at you!! bein' all da kine!!

    Thank you, Aunty Lika, you make feel special yah! fo' reals!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walkoff Balk View Post
    I didn't cringe, but was more surprised when a female teacher said a swear word.
    LIKE, i ku-dish.
    stop da swear word dammit!!!

    watt u fella no can . cracks u fulla goin get, jus fo dat no kau-kau, no recess an I go call u fadda and maddah, hard head u kids i tell u. whea da slippa fo give u guys cracks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oggboy View Post
    LIKE, i ku-dish.
    stop da swear word dammit!!!

    watt u fella no can . cracks u fulla goin get, jus fo dat no kau-kau, no recess an I go call u fadda and maddah, hard head u kids i tell u. whea da slippa fo give u guys cracks.

    My Kauai relatives all use ku-dish ragalaly. I love typing pidgin cause juss make anykine. no moe standard pidgin rules hah, I no tink anybody body pay tention if had. LOL

    My teachas neva bodda threaten o'tawk, dey buss out da rulah or trow erasas or chalk. Bean you in da head. Us learn fo'duck fass. Dese weren't LOCAL teachas eda nobody wen sue nobody back den. If us wen tell our parents da teacha did dat kine stuff shoots us get licking so us no tell.
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    I like Pidgin. (:

    But I think it's best to be able to speak pidgin as well as normal English.

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