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Re: June Jones Settles Debt with UH ... or Did He?
At worst, blatantly illegal. At best, shady and cynical.
Too bad that Coach Jones has decided to close out his association with UH under a cloud of suspicion.This post may contain an opinion that may conflict with your opinion. Do not take it personal. Polite discussion of difference of opinion is welcome.
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Re: win win, chicken din
Originally posted by Ron Whitfield View PostNo bridges are burnt for anybody, and hopefully JJ will one day return to the UH in some meaningful capacity.
It's like Scott Waddle starting a career as a motivational speaker or thinking that he has some future with the Navy-- neither one of these guys seems to understand that much of the controversy swirling around them is rooted in their own behavior.
Maybe I should be more cynical. Maybe people's memories really are that short.Youth may be wasted on the young, but retirement is wasted on the old.
Live like you're dying, invest like you're immortal.
We grow old if we stop playing, but it's never too late to have a happy childhood.
Forget about who you were-- discover who you are.
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Re: June Jones Settles Debt with UH ... or Did He?
Originally posted by Frankie's Market View PostAt worst, blatantly illegal.
I think the key to Lind’s argument lies in whether the donation hinged on resolution of the contractual dispute between Jones and UH. And as such, there is no way to prove that, without a copy of the agreement in front of you. Jones could always go back and say, “hey, my foundation was gonna donate the money either way. It’s part of our mission.”
We can’t be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americans.
— U.S. President Bill Clinton
USA TODAY, page 2A
11 March 1993
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Re: June Jones Settles Debt with UH ... or Did He?
Originally posted by TuNnL View PostThat’s the conclusion Lind comes to, but this is one of those rare occasions where I think he is reaching. If the June Jones Foundation™ had given the money to UH, UH Athletics, UH Football, etc., then I think you could say there are some potential legal improprieties with that deal. But the foundation donated it to a scholarship fund, which you would hope would be within the charter of any foundation interested in education.
I think the key to Lind’s argument lies in whether the donation hinged on resolution of the contractual dispute between Jones and UH. And as such, there is no way to prove that, without a copy of the agreement in front of you. Jones could always go back and say, “hey, my foundation was gonna donate the money either way. It’s part of our mission.”Beijing 8-08-08 to 8-24-08
Tiananmen Square 4-15-89 to 6-04-89
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Re: June Jones Settles Debt with UH ... or Did He?
Originally posted by TuNnL View PostThat’s the conclusion Lind comes to, but this is one of those rare occasions where I think he is reaching. If the June Jones Foundation™ had given the money to UH, UH Athletics, UH Football, etc., then I think you could say there are some potential legal improprieties with that deal. But the foundation donated it to a scholarship fund, which you would hope would be within the charter of any foundation interested in education.
Considering how there are too many stories of wasteful and/or unproductive non-profits out there, that would be a very glib argument to give in defense of JJ.
And you totally overlook the argument that Lind gave re: JJ's status as the chairman and board of director status of the charitable foundation that bears his name. You don't see the problem with JJ being an officer of a non-profit organization using donated funds as part of a settlement to terminate his personal contract with UH?
Oh, the naivete of it all!
Originally posted by TuNnL View PostI think the key to Lind’s argument lies in whether the donation hinged on resolution of the contractual dispute between Jones and UH. And as such, there is no way to prove that, without a copy of the agreement in front of you. Jones could always go back and say, “hey, my foundation was gonna donate the money either way. It’s part of our mission.”
Maybe no one will end up being prosecuted or arrested. That still doesn't mean that something illegal did not take place. And nothing you said made a difference in my previous conclusion: it is unfortunate that Jones has chosen to end his affiliation with UH by leaving a cloud of suspicion and doubt re: use of his foundation's charitable funds (i.e. other people's hard earned money that they thought were going to be used to help children with life-threatening conditions rather than settle JJ's contract buyout.)This post may contain an opinion that may conflict with your opinion. Do not take it personal. Polite discussion of difference of opinion is welcome.
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Re: June Jones Settles Debt with UH or Did He?
I give JJ the benfit of a doubt that he's acted in good faith all along.
This pointless bickering isn't going to benefit anybody, and will only suffice to ensure he'll choose to not return to UH in any capacity and thus everybody loses. No chicken dinner...
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Re: June Jones Settles Debt with UH or Did He?
Originally posted by Ron Whitfield View PostI give JJ the benfit of a doubt that he's acted in good faith all along.
This pointless bickering isn't going to benefit anybody, and will only suffice to ensure he'll choose to not return to UH in any capacity and thus everybody loses. No chicken dinner...
There was a time when I felt that way earlier in the year, but now I'm not so sure.Beijing 8-08-08 to 8-24-08
Tiananmen Square 4-15-89 to 6-04-89
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Re: June Jones Settles Debt with UH ... or Did He?
Originally posted by Frankie's Market View PostIn other words, all non-profits are created equal? Considering how there are too many stories of wasteful and/or unproductive non-profits out there, that would be a very glib argument to give in defense of JJ.
Originally posted by Frankie's Market View PostAnd you totally overlook the argument that Lind gave re: JJ's status as the chairman and board of director status of the charitable foundation that bears his name. You don't see the problem with JJ being an officer of a non-profit organization using donated funds as part of a settlement to terminate his personal contract with UH?
Perhaps you failed to understand this the first time I posted this, so let me be more clear: The Honolulu Advertiser expressly makes a point of saying they tried to reach June Jones for comment and were unable to. Add to that the fact that all we have is an Advertiser writer’s interpretation of the settlement (and not the actual settlement document) and this is all basically hearsay. Don’t believe everything you read in a regurgitated press release, Frankie.
Originally posted by Frankie's Market View Postnothing you said made a difference in my previous conclusion: it is unfortunate that Jones has chosen to end his affiliation with UH by leaving a cloud of suspicion and doubt re: use of his foundation's charitable funds
We can’t be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americans.
— U.S. President Bill Clinton
USA TODAY, page 2A
11 March 1993
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Sure, why not?
Originally posted by Random View PostYou WANT JJ to return to UH?
JJ was great for the team, even if imperfect at times, and should Coach Mack at some point not be able to continue, for now un-foreseen reasons, I'd love to see Jones back in the fold. If not as coach, then whatever capacity he'd enjoy.
He's not contraversial, it's the 'we need some news' media that search for a speck of dirt that stir up un-needed BS.
We blew it with JJ. He would have been ours til retirement, but instead he was virtually chased out, and the UH, the fans, the State, and college football suffer from that now.
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Former UH football coach June Jones arrested for alleged DUI | Honolulu Star-Advertiser (staradvertiser.com)
He has to take an Uber from now on.
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