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    Not much change from the earlier photos - at least to this landlubber's eyes. The hatches are closed, the containment boom is still there - still tied up the same way and the plastic bags are still there.

    I don't remember about the yellow strap. There seems to be a rust streak from the foot of the railing just above the registration number. I don't see that in the photos above, but it might not show up at that resolution.

    Too late in the day to chat anyone up.

    I was mostly curious as to what happens to boats in this situation. Is is economically practical to fix or is it like flood damaged cars? A quick fix and a sale to an unsuspecting buyer?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeckoGeek View Post
    I was mostly curious as to what happens to boats in this situation. Is is economically practical to fix or is it like flood damaged cars? A quick fix and a sale to an unsuspecting buyer?
    If the owner is willing to take the boat down to the bare hull and rebuild everything then it can be fully restored. All mechanical and electrical have to be replaced or rebuilt. The wood has to be checked for excessive waterlogging or delamination. Lots of things to inspect. But I've heard of worse boats brought back to seaworthy condition.

    It takes time, money and effort.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Composite 2992 View Post
    If the owner is willing to take the boat down to the bare hull and rebuild everything then it can be fully restored. All mechanical and electrical have to be replaced or rebuilt. [...] It takes [...] money
    Of course it can be done. Anything is possible with enough desire and money. The question was, from a financial standpoint, what's the most likely outcome? Given the amount of work, it might be cheaper to scrap it and buy another. It's probably a function of how much of the boat's worth is in the hull and how much is with all the stuff in it.

    I kinda suspect that the title of Joe's blog is the correct answer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeckoGeek View Post
    Not much change from the earlier photos - at least to this landlubber's eyes. The hatches are closed, the containment boom is still there - still tied up the same way and the plastic bags are still there.
    GG wrote that five days ago, and I just dropped by earlier today and things are still just as GG described. It looks to me as if nobody has touched the boat at all.
    I didn't take any photos because it was raining and because there was nothing worth shooting (except for what I just posted in the Photo thread), and also the fuel dock and The Deli were closed, so nobody around to talk to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LikaNui View Post
    GG wrote that five days ago, and I just dropped by earlier today and things are still just as GG described. It looks to me as if nobody has touched the boat at all.
    Maybe it has been turned over to the owner's insurance carrier. It could be out of the owner's hands now as far as decision making, until insurance settles with them. That is how it is with a totaled car, once the insurance company takes control, the owner is out of the picture.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amati View Post
    Maybe it has been turned over to the owner's insurance carrier. It could be out of the owner's hands now as far as decision making, until insurance settles with them.
    It is highly unlikely that insurance will cover it, given the highly publicized and well known circumstances.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LikaNui View Post
    It is highly unlikely that insurance will cover it, given the highly publicized and well known circumstances.
    Yeah - but if the owner(s) have filed any claims, it may be that no one is permitted to do anything with it until the insurance company has completed their investigation.

    Or if any legal action has been filed, though I would think you folks closer to the scene would have heard something about that by now (and shared that with us, of course).

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    We can only speculate on the issues, but I could believe that everything is waiting on the insurance to settle before any work is done. Either because of the investigation or awaiting payment.

    It may also depend on the fortunes of the owners in this economic uncertainly. They may not be in a position to do much right now.

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    I've been following this fascinating but sad story... any news? Lika? Gecko? Are they just waiting for insurance investigations to conclude before any more news comes out?

    I can't imagine this has any happy ending, but at least this boat is no longer terrorizing the boating enthusiasts at the sandbar. I really enjoyed seeing all those photos, LikaNui. I hope I get the chance to go there some day. It sounds like the perfect place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snowbird View Post
    I've been following this fascinating but sad story... any news? Lika? Gecko? Are they just waiting for insurance investigations to conclude before any more news comes out?
    Your timing is very good, since I swung by there late yesterday. No visible changes at all. The boat is just sitting there, still with the black plastic bags stuffed into those two thru-hull fittings at the waterline. And the boat is all closed up, so no ventilation to the interior. Chances are good that the interior of the boat is getting nasty with mold and mildew.
    I imagine the owner(s) and the insurance company are doing a dance.

    I can't imagine this has any happy ending, but at least this boat is no longer terrorizing the boating enthusiasts at the sandbar. I really enjoyed seeing all those photos, LikaNui.
    Thanks. It's been a cold, wet and windy winter so, in combination with a heavy work schedule, I haven't been using the boat much. But spring and summer are coming and my boat, my camera and I are ready! Everyone will be happy to enjoy the sandbar without Aquadelica there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LikaNui View Post
    Your timing is very good, since I swung by there late yesterday. No visible changes at all. The boat is just sitting there, still with the black plastic bags stuffed into those two thru-hull fittings at the waterline. And the boat is all closed up, so no ventilation to the interior. Chances are good that the interior of the boat is getting nasty with mold and mildew.
    I imagine the owner(s) and the insurance company are doing a dance.

    Thanks. It's been a cold, wet and windy winter so, in combination with a heavy work schedule, I haven't been using the boat much. But spring and summer are coming and my boat, my camera and I are ready! Everyone will be happy to enjoy the sandbar without Aquadelica there.
    Thanks for the update. Sorry you're bogged down with work. I will be looking forward to anything you post about this situation. You have given me great insights to the area of Oahu that I favor, and I'll look for your photos on the other thread, should you get a chance to post some more.

    Boating is a fine thing. In my younger, slimmer days, I raced Hobie Cats in Long Beach with Fleet 3. Good times! That was a whole other life. I do enjoy seeing all the fun you have; thanks for sharing that with us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snowbird View Post
    Thanks for the update. Sorry you're bogged down with work.
    Don't be sorry. It's all that work that lets me afford the boat!

    You have given me great insights to the area of Oahu that I favor, and I'll look for your photos on the other thread, should you get a chance to post some more.
    Racing season starts March 14, so photos in the Boating Photos thread will be on their way then. Maybe some earlier shots, weather permitting.
    (Big wind forecast for this weekend. Friday night through Monday the tradewinds should be well over 30, with possible gusts to 60. )
    A few HT regulars will come along on occasion, so it'll be fun to see their photos too.

    I raced Hobie Cats in Long Beach with Fleet 3. Good times!
    Well done! Hobie 14 or 16? I did some racing on an 18' P-cat in Long Beach.
    I also sailed Long Beach on one of the old America's Cup 12-meters with America's Cup skipper Rod Davis. (He won a gold medal in the 1984 Olympics.) I was thinking about that today, with the tornado here yesterday and the mention of waterspouts. The day I was out with Rod in Long Beach seven waterspouts popped up at the same time! Waterspouts are killers, with winds often over 150mph, and 12-meter AC boats had no engines, so we lowered sails and got towed in by one of the chase boats. Scary. I've still got the photos.
    But I digress, as usual.
    I hope you're still sailing!
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    Quote Originally Posted by LikaNui View Post
    Racing season starts March 14, so photos in the Boating Photos thread will be on their way then. Maybe some earlier shots, weather permitting.
    (Big wind forecast for this weekend. Friday night through Monday the tradewinds should be well over 30, with possible gusts to 60. )
    A few HT regulars will come along on occasion, so it'll be fun to see their photos too.

    Well done! Hobie 14 or 16? I did some racing on an 18' P-cat in Long Beach.
    I also sailed Long Beach on one of the old America's Cup 12-meters with America's Cup skipper Rod Davis. (He won a gold medal in the 1984 Olympics.) I was thinking about that today, with the tornado here yesterday and the mention of waterspouts. The day I was out with Rod in Long Beach seven waterspouts popped up at the same time! Waterspouts are killers, with winds often over 150mph, and 12-meter AC boats had no engines, so we lowered sails and got towed in by one of the chase boats. Scary. I've still got the photos.
    But I digress, as usual.
    I hope you're still sailing!
    I'll be looking for those photos and lurk on the thread. I haven't sailed in years. Had a 16 footer, back in the late 70s to early 80s. I never sailed a Prindle, but they always looked sweet. Lost the H-Cat in the divorce.

    I was reading about the tornado today, and the coming weather. That reminded me of a stupid day of sailing in too much wind in Hurricane Gulch, and a Coast Guard rescue. An embarrassing capsize! Probably one of my last sailing days.

    Neat that you got to do so many different types of watercraft. An old dream was taking a trimaran around the world, especially Polynesia. Sailing was more my Ex's thing, and he was pretty skilled. I may like doing it again, as I'm not dead yet. Of course, under adult supervision! Fair winds.

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    Just a quick update, which I meant to post last week -- I drove by Aquadelica's slip and absolutely nothing has changed. Looks like the boat hasn't been touched. Still has the plastic bags stuffed into the through-hulls at the waterline. Nobody was around the fuel dock or The Deli or the harbor office, since it was early evening, so I didn't talk to anyone. Maybe next time.
    It's probably still tied up in legal and/or insurance battles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by snowbird View Post
    I haven't sailed in years. Had a 16 footer, back in the late 70s to early 80s. Lost the H-Cat in the divorce. Fair winds.
    First off! An update , but of nothing done since...

    And snowbird. I feel ya. I lost a 31' Piver Trimaran due to divorce long ago...

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    Michael W. Perry told his story this morning of taking his family out to the sandbar on Sunday and part way back to the pier, his boat started taking on water quickly. A hose broke and the more he ran the engine, the faster they took on water. The alternative was to stop the engine and sink slower. He opted for the former and made it about 50 yards from shore where they walked the boat in. Members of the Kaneohe women's canoe club saw them and helped tow them to their slip. The canoe club members had attended the Perry & Price Saturday show and were joking aftter they found him that being that they're in Kaneohe, he should name the boat the "Leaky Leaky".

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    All boat owners should always carry a supply of tapered wooden plugs of various sizes. They're perfect for putting an immediate end to the problem Michael had.
    BTW, he used to keep his boat just a few slips away from mine, before he got a slip at Kaneohe Yacht Club. Nice man, and a pretty smart boater. He used to use his boat at least once a week and sometimes twice, usually just going out on the bay for a couple of hours by himself, enjoying the peace and quiet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Menehune Man View Post
    And snowbird. I feel ya. I lost a 31' Piver Trimaran due to divorce long ago...

    It's Cool I Love My Life!
    Yeah, but Karma called.... The uninsured Hobie burned to the ground at his apartment garage. No, it wasn't me.

    BTW, it's boating and racing season now, isn't it? I'll be looking for the new photos you guys post..... safe and happy boating, everyone.

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    As of a few hours ago, Aquadelica still sits in her slip, untouched. Still has those black plastic bags stuck in the through-hull fittings down by the waterline. She's sitting low in the stern, like there's water in the engine compartment. Assuming her batteries are dead (there's no electricity on the docks at Heeia Kea) and/or her bilge pumps don't work, all the recent rain may still be aboard. There's concern that she's going to sink in her slip.
    Also, the word from the locals there is that the insurance company has refused to pay for any repairs... as everyone expected. And they say that nobody has been on the boat for months. Must be getting pretty ripe inside! And all that salt must be corroding the heck out of everything. I don't even want to think what the engines and generator are like.
    But wait. There's more!
    Aquadelica was supposed to have moved out of its slip at Heeia Kea last weekend. Obviously it can't move on its own, so a boat was going to tow it to Hawaii Kai... but the towboat ran on the reef in the Sampan Channel in Kaneohe Bay and is high and dry and stuck there for almost a week!!! And the Coast Guard can't find out who owns it.
    The towboat, by the way, looks like a small ancient very rusty old landing craft. Somebody got a piece of junk to tow the Aquadelica piece of junk.
    Who's going to end up paying for towing the derelict towboat and for raising Aquadelica if she sinks in her slip? Most likely... we the taxpayers.
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    I've been meaning to post this for a while but got waaay too busy and forgot. Mea culpa.
    Anyway, the good news for all of us boaters here on the windward side is that Aquadelica got towed to Hawaii Kai a few weeks ago. Hallelujah!
    It's now tied up at a dock at someone's home in Hawaii Kai, and the Harbor Patrol folks there are keeping a very close watch on it in case it becomes party central there or in case it sinks again.
    I know Lavagal lives in Hawaii Kai but not sure if any other HTers do. Hopefully someone will pass along info if anything happens...
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    I believe 'Aquadelica' is for sale... http://honolulu.craigslist.org/oah/boa/1443593229.html
    36' Welcraft "The yacht was partially submerged a few months ago right next to the sandbar. The back side of the boat was underwater for approximately 12 hours. The engines were not properly pickled so they don't work any more. I spent $20k on updating the boat and applying a fresh coat of paint on the hull last November. The interior has been partially gutted. The hull itself is in excellent condition."

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    Heh. Hehehehe. BWAAAHAHAHA!!!
    And yes, that's definitely Aquadelica. Not worth buying at any price. He should donate it to a charity (if he could find one who'd take it) and he could take the writeoff, although the IRS might disagree with him about its value.
    The ad has a nice photo of it at the sandbar (and I'll try to attach it here). Remember all those complaints about it earlier in this thread? Well, the photo proves the point. Check out the two giant stereo speakers on the bow of the boat! Now you see why almost all the other boats detested them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Menehune Man View Post
    The back side of the boat
    Very nautical jargon.

    Gives me a lot of confidence in the rest of his marine surveyor's appraisal...

    So what did the photo subject do after you snapped her picture?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nords View Post
    Very nautical jargon. Gives me a lot of confidence in the rest of his marine surveyor's appraisal.
    No surveyor would ever say that; the words surely must have come from the seller himself, and as I noted way earlier in the thread the boat's owner had zero nautical knowledge or experience.
    Also, look at the ad again. A surveyor would clearly know that Wellcraft has two L's in the name, not one.
    But since we're talking about marine surveyors, remember that it can be tricky picking a good one. There are two main "governing bodies" -- NAMS (National Association of Marine Surveyors) and SAMS (Society of Accredited Marine Surveyors). NAMS is the one that requires extensive testing, including rigging a test boat with known problems to see if the applicant will catch them, plus a day-long written test. But the other one, SAMS, only required that you send them an application fee and then BOOM you were an "accredited" surveyor. Maybe that's changed recently, but.

    So what did the photo subject do after you snapped her picture?
    Dunno. The owner took that photo and put it in his ad. I didn't take it, nor did MM. But having encountered Aquadelica at the sandbar numerous times, I can tell you that those "photo subjects" were, um, "professional dancers" who put on quite a show, usually after large quantities of adult beverages.
    Use your imagination.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nords View Post
    So what did the photo subject do after you snapped her picture?
    HaHa! I remember what your referencing...

    She fell through the deck hatch?!
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