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    So what is so special about 3G networks? What can it do? Does it only apply to wireless phones?

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    It's a cellular network that is a lot faster than other cell phone networks in the US for data transfer. It's kind of similar in speed to a dial up connection. It's pretty useful if you like to surf the net on your phone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by helen View Post
    So what is so special about 3G networks? What can it do? Does it only apply to wireless phones?
    Japanese cell company DoCoMo is reported to have spent over $20M with American cell companies to bring 3G to Oahu so that Japanese visitors can enjoy the same capabilities here that they have at home... and can spend money even faster.
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    3G = 3rd Generation.

    As others have said, it's mostly speed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StinkyTheGrump View Post
    It's kind of similar in speed to a dial up connection.
    Dial up? I don't think so. The current speed for 3G connections in Hawaii currently maxes out at 2 Mbps, while in northern Europe they are enjoying up to 21 Mbps.

    (Compare to Roadrunner which is currently at 5 Mbps).

    As you can tell, we are quite behind here in Hawaii. Don't get me started on that though.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mattias View Post
    Dial up? I don't think so. The current speed for 3G connections in Hawaii currently maxes out at 2 Mbps, ...
    I'm talking about actual speeds here in Honolulu though, not theoretical speeds that you might get once in a blue moon when the stars align on a cloudless night etc etc.

    I just tested my iphone (testmyiphone.com) and got a miserable 9kB/s download speed on 3G and I'm in the middle of downtown. Also the comparison to dial up was based on my memory of using dial up for years and my daily web browsing on the iphone. Dial up is pretty darn similar to the AT&T 3G network speeds in Honolulu IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StinkyTheGrump View Post
    I'm talking about actual speeds here in Honolulu though, not theoretical speeds that you might get once in a blue moon when the stars align on a cloudless night etc etc.

    I just tested my iphone (testmyiphone.com) and got a miserable 9kB/s download speed on 3G and I'm in the middle of downtown. Also the comparison to dial up was based on my memory of using dial up for years and my daily web browsing on the iphone. Dial up is pretty darn similar to the AT&T 3G network speeds in Honolulu IMO.
    Ouch, I didn't know it was that miserable. No wonder AT&T is being sued. That is crazy slow! And you are on UMTS (3G) and not EDGE? I think my EDGE phone is even faster than that when on the Windward side.

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    Thanks for giving me the link. I just tested my iPhone (EDGE on T-Mobile) and I got a download speed of 308 Kbps and I only had a reception of 3 bars. You should demand a refund from AT&T.

    Anyway, just to show how behind we are. 4G is currently being rolled out in some other countries now with theoretical download speed of 100 Mbps.

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    Those bastards! Hehe I wonder if it's just the spot I'm in downtown...going to have to check this out later tonight when I'm in Waiks.
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    Yeah, although I would expect Honolulu to be all covered you could be in a cold spot. Jot down where it was and inquire with AT&T. I would hope you get much faster connection speed elsewhere. Aloha!

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    3G speeds are never consistent. it's not like DSL, but 9KB/s sounds like you lost connection during the test for a moment.

    a tower could be overloaded at the moment or even could be stuck on a tower that's further away and hasn't jumped over to the tower you're closest to.

    The iPhone has already pushed ATT network to it's limits, and even crashed it (see Austin's SXSW Conference).

    I know there spending loads of money right now upgrading their network to prepare for tethering with the new iPhone due in June. once iPhone's "officially" tether, the network is going to get slammed.

    I just ran Speedtest from my iPhone 3G in Waiks by Kuhio and Nohonani at got 1430 Kb/s down 90 Kb/s up, ran a 2nd time 10 min later at 1582 Kb/s and 83 Kb/s up
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    Quote Originally Posted by LocalMotion View Post
    I just ran Speedtest from my iPhone 3G in Waiks by Kuhio and Nohonani at got 1430 Kb/s down 90 Kb/s up, ran a 2nd time 10 min later at 1582 Kb/s and 83 Kb/s up.
    Thanks, LM, I've been curious about that. As a comparison, for those who might be interested, I'm at home now and RoadRunner just gave me 16,474 down and 978 up. About 10 times faster than the iPhone 3G.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LikaNui View Post
    Thanks, LM, I've been curious about that. As a comparison, for those who might be interested, I'm at home now and RoadRunner just gave me 16,474 down and 978 up. About 10 times faster than the iPhone 3G.
    Sweet! Nothing beats Cable or DSL.

    Supposedly ATT said the new iPhone coming out in June will nalu the net even faster than the latest iPhone. I guess it will have a faster processor and more RAM, along with some OS optimizations but i don't see ATT upping their network speeds by that much, but i'd love to be surprised!

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    Quote Originally Posted by LocalMotion View Post
    Sweet! Nothing beats Cable or DSL.
    Well it depends.....when I was in San Francisco last year I got a faster download link on T-Mobile's 3G than my friend's AT&T DSL. As you said, it might have been temporarily though as I was up in the middle of the night.

    Right now, the LTE (100Mbps) they're rolling out in Sweden is faster than their cable/dsl (80Mbps).

    Anyway, anything beats the speeds we have in Hawaii. :-(

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    Quote Originally Posted by amagab View Post
    Well it depends.....when I was in San Francisco last year I got a faster download link on T-Mobile's 3G than my friend's AT&T DSL. As you said, it might have been temporarily though as I was up in the middle of the night.

    Right now, the LTE (100Mbps) they're rolling out in Sweden is faster than their cable/dsl (80Mbps).

    Anyway, anything beats the speeds we have in Hawaii. :-(
    But there are different speed levels for both DSL and Cable. you could get a 768k package with both, but I was referring to there top speed tiers.

    Still 10mb in Hawaii is still pretty fast. I wonder when Oceanic will implement DOCSIS 3 to really boost their speeds? Problem I see is that they may not have any reason to do it soon since they don't have any competition that's faster than them...

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    Quote Originally Posted by LocalMotion View Post
    But there are different speed levels for both DSL and Cable. you could get a 768k package with both, but I was referring to there top speed tiers.
    Yes, definitely.

    Quote Originally Posted by LocalMotion View Post
    Still 10mb in Hawaii is still pretty fast. I wonder when Oceanic will implement DOCSIS 3 to really boost their speeds? Problem I see is that they may not have any reason to do it soon since they don't have any competition that's faster than them...
    10Mb is fast for Hawaii but the problem is that it's limited to only a small portion of the population. There's no equality here when it comes to internet speed. Where I live I can only get download links of 768K through DSL and 5Mb through Oceanic. As you said, there is no incentive for companies to provide faster connections because of lack of competition. There's no competition in both pricing and speed. It's outrageous that a download link of 15Mbps through Oceanic cost $70/month. I guess I'm being a bit scewed since I'm comparing to other markets but there is really no reason why Hawaii should be behind. I've always been in support of the State subsidizing improvements of the internet accessibility and speed. I believe it would be very helpful for our state considering we are so isolated from the rest of the world.

    Anyway, I guess we got off track here. This discussion was regarding 3G, which has nothing to do with DSL and cable. Sorry!

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    Quote Originally Posted by LocalMotion View Post

    Still 10mb in Hawaii is still pretty fast. I wonder when Oceanic will implement DOCSIS 3 to really boost their speeds? Problem I see is that they may not have any reason to do it soon since they don't have any competition that's faster than them...
    Hawaiian Telcom offers up to 11Mbps DSL service. Shortly thereafter Oceanic rolled out 15Mbps Road Runner service. However it is my understanding that the 15Mbps service is not widely available (its only available in select portions of Oahu). But on the flip side 50% of HT's statewide customers can qualify for their higher speed tiers of 7Mbps/11Mbps.

    The service availability of the 15Mbps service may change as Oceanic is spending 140 million to expand their infrastructure to accommodate more HDTV
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    Quote Originally Posted by Konaguy View Post
    But on the flip side 50% of HT's statewide customers can qualify for their higher speed tiers of 7Mbps/11Mbps.
    Where did you get that number from? When I talked to a HT technician he said the 7Mbps and 11Mbps is only available in urban Honolulu......but maybe that is 50% of the population?

    I live in a quite populated area and it's a big shame that HT only offers 768K here.

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    sitting on the beach at Waimea Bay iPhone 3G speeds test at 862Kb/s down and 170Kb/s up

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    Quote Originally Posted by amagab View Post
    Where did you get that number from? When I talked to a HT technician he said the 7Mbps and 11Mbps is only available in urban Honolulu......but maybe that is 50% of the population?

    I live in a quite populated area and it's a big shame that HT only offers 768K here.

    I live in fairly remote part of Kona and I get 11Mbps service believe it or not.

    There was a Star Bulletin article from about two years ago that stated that only 25% of HT's customers statewide could get 11Mbps service and 33% could get 7Mbps service.

    I had blogged recently about a HT issue using that data. It was pointed out to me later by Ann Nishida (Senior Manager-Corporate Communications) that data was inaccurate. As it stands now 50% of HT's customers statewide can get 7 or 11Mbps service.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Konaguy View Post
    I live in fairly remote part of Kona and I get 11Mbps service believe it or not.

    There was a Star Bulletin article from about two years ago that stated that only 25% of HT's customers statewide could get 11Mbps service and 33% could get 7Mbps service.

    I had blogged recently about a HT issue using that data. It was pointed out to me later by Ann Nishida (Senior Manager-Corporate Communications) that data was inaccurate. As it stands now 50% of HT's customers statewide can get 7 or 11Mbps service.
    Wow, that is impressive and I'm happy for you. Can you believe I live 20 minutes from downtown Honolulu and HT only offers me 768K. I guess I need to move to Kona.......you do have the best avocados over there. :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Konaguy View Post
    I live in fairly remote part of Kona and I get 11Mbps service believe it or not.

    There was a Star Bulletin article from about two years ago that stated that only 25% of HT's customers statewide could get 11Mbps service and 33% could get 7Mbps service.

    I had blogged recently about a HT issue using that data. It was pointed out to me later by Ann Nishida (Senior Manager-Corporate Communications) that data was inaccurate. As it stands now 50% of HT's customers statewide can get 7 or 11Mbps service.
    So, how do I know I can get at least 7Mbps in my area (Kaunakakai, Island of Molokai)?
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    Quote Originally Posted by amagab View Post
    Wow, that is impressive and I'm happy for you. Can you believe I live 20 minutes from downtown Honolulu and HT only offers me 768K. I guess I need to move to Kona.......you do have the best avocados over there. :-)
    I'm curious if you've recently inquired or not again if the 7 or 11Mbps (or at least the 3Mbps service) is available. In my case HT only recently upgraded the
    CO servicing my area to support this service with the last 1.5 years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Random View Post
    So, how do I know I can get at least 7Mbps in my area (Kaunakakai, Island of Molokai)?
    I know they offer DSL on Molokai. However I would be surprised if either the 7Mbps or 11Mbps service is available there (or Lanai).As far as I understand only Pacific LightNet has a fiber-optic circuit to either island. Both Oceanic Time Warner and Hawaiian Telcom rely on a microwave feed.(This is why Oceanic only offers WAVE, not Road Runner there).

    If you really want to know if HT offers the higher speed tiers there, I suggest you call up HT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Random View Post
    So, how do I know I can get at least 7Mbps in my area (Kaunakakai, Island of Molokai)?
    Call HT and give them your address and then they can check.

    Quote Originally Posted by Konaguy View Post
    I'm curious if you've recently inquired or not again if the 7 or 11Mbps (or at least the 3Mbps service) is available. In my case HT only recently upgraded the
    CO servicing my area to support this service with the last 1.5 years.
    I inquired 3 months ago. Maybe I should inquire again. Thanks!

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