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  • Obamanomics: Healthcare Reform or Socialized Medicine?

    I've heard confusing things about Obama's healthcare reform strategy. He wanted to model it after the European (or Russian) healthcare system? But are they successful outside of our borders?
    Beijing 8-08-08 to 8-24-08

    Tiananmen Square 4-15-89 to 6-04-89

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    Re: Obamanomics: Healtcare Reform or European-Modeled Socialized Medicine?

    I am happy and healthy, under the care of the NHS!
    Speak to the heart and the man becomes instantly virtuous. Emerson

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      Re: Obamanomics: Healtcare Reform or European-Modeled Socialized Medicine?

      Originally posted by Betsey View Post
      I am happy and healthy, under the care of the NHS!

      Couldn't agree more Betsey. The medical insurance I paid in Hawaii was way over the odds. Sure we might have to wait here for hospial treatment if the doctor doesn't consider it very serious, they will just push us pils.

      My Respect goes out to the nurses. They stop the doctors from killing us.

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        Re: Obamanomics: Healtcare Reform or European-Modeled Socialized Medicine?

        I am very happy with my Medicare plan. Why can't this plan be made available to all Americans as an option to private insurance? Or better yet why can't Americans have the same medical plan that congressmen and senators have voted for themselves?

        It is time for a national health care option.
        Peace, Love, and Local Grindz

        People who form FIRM opinions with so little knowledge only pretend to be open-minded. They select their facts like food from a buffet. David R. Dow

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          Re: Obamanomics: Healtcare Reform or European-Modeled Socialized Medicine?

          The French system is the absolute best.
          http://thissmallfrenchtown.blogspot.com/
          http://thefrenchneighbor.blogspot.com/

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            Re: Obamanomics: Healtcare Reform or European-Modeled Socialized Medicine?

            Originally posted by SusieMisajon View Post
            The French system is the absolute best.

            Can I come back to live in France. I will sleep in your cupboard

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              Re: Obamanomics: Healtcare Reform or European-Modeled Socialized Medicine?

              Originally posted by matapule View Post
              I am very happy with my Medicare plan. Why can't this plan be made available to all Americans as an option to private insurance? Or better yet why can't Americans have the same medical plan that congressmen and senators have voted for themselves?
              It is because of the $$$$$. As usual.

              Private health care insurers, the AMA, and big pharma has been lining the campaign coffers of lawmakers for years, both Republican and Democratic. Its obvious that the GOP opposes the public option, but they are in the minority now. The biggest obstacle to health care reform is now coming from some key Democrats, believe it or not. First on my list of suspect Democrats is Senate Finance Chair Max Baucus.

              http://www.thenation.com/blogs/notio...can_believe_in

              The Sunlight Foundation recently reported that "five of Baucus' former staffers currently work for a total of twenty-seven different organizations that are either in the health care or insurance sector or have a noted interest in the outcome," including many of the firms--like PhRMA--that are sure to lobby against or work to severely dilute Obama's bill. Moreover, the Billings Gazette found that Baucus raises $1,500 a day from the medical-industrial complex, more than any other Democratic senator.
              This post may contain an opinion that may conflict with your opinion. Do not take it personal. Polite discussion of difference of opinion is welcome.

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                Re: Obamanomics: Healtcare Reform or European-Modeled Socialized Medicine?

                Originally posted by Frankie's Market View Post
                It is because of the $$$$$. As usual..
                Actually maybe not. If you factor in how much medical care costs for the uninsured, some argue it would be a cost savings. And the financial cost did not stop other civilized countries from providing public health insurance for their citizens.

                My Medicare coverage costs me $96 per month, $1,150 per year. Plus I (and most of us) have paid into Medicare over our working careers. At this point, I don't use $1,150 worth of medical care a year.........and I am happy about that. I'm not complaining!

                I would like to make a similar program available to everyone.
                Peace, Love, and Local Grindz

                People who form FIRM opinions with so little knowledge only pretend to be open-minded. They select their facts like food from a buffet. David R. Dow

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                  Re: Obamanomics: Healtcare Reform or European-Modeled Socialized Medicine?

                  Originally posted by Barry View Post
                  Can I come back to live in France. I will sleep in your cupboard

                  I have a better idea...

                  Unless, of course, you LIKE cupboards.
                  http://thissmallfrenchtown.blogspot.com/
                  http://thefrenchneighbor.blogspot.com/

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                    Re: Obamanomics: Healtcare Reform or European-Modeled Socialized Medicine?

                    Originally posted by matapule View Post
                    Actually maybe not. If you factor in how much medical care costs for the uninsured, some argue it would be a cost savings..
                    Matapule, if you had read my comments beyond the first paragraph, you would see that when I talked about "$$$$$," I wasn't talking about the costs of a public health care option. I was talking about "$$$$$" that lawmakers receive from the private insurers and various special interests groups that do not want a public option.
                    This post may contain an opinion that may conflict with your opinion. Do not take it personal. Polite discussion of difference of opinion is welcome.

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                      Re: Obamanomics: Healtcare Reform or European-Modeled Socialized Medicine?

                      A friend and I were hiking in BC back in the '70's. He came down with a strep throat. We went to a Canadian public clinic. He saw a doctor, got lab tests, and got medicine, then they found out he was American and they said they'd have to charge. Conferred behind a desk. Finally, "Would $3.40 be okay?" My friend peels off a $5 bill and tells them to keep the change. Granted it was the '70's. Without exception my Canadian friends LOVE their national health system and would never consider trading it for America's system. Nothing is perfect, and their system isn't either, but it is so much better than ours there is just no comparison. Friends who have lived in Mexico find a lot about Mexico's system that is superior to America's, too. Mexico does not have the money to fool around supporting parasites in its health care system. And a friend from Australia says his country's national health system is so good that its competition forces private health insurers there to act much more responsively to their policy holders than American companies do.

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                        Re: Obamanomics: Healtcare Reform or European-Modeled Socialized Medicine?

                        The NHS is not perfect - no system is. But it works reasonably well. I'd be interested to hear what the problems of socialized medicine are perceived to be.
                        Speak to the heart and the man becomes instantly virtuous. Emerson

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                          Re: Obamanomics: Healtcare Reform or European-Modeled Socialized Medicine?

                          Originally posted by Betsey View Post
                          I'd be interested to hear what the problems of socialized medicine are perceived to be.
                          Betsey, I guess the most often expressed concern is the expense to the taxpayer.

                          I don't agree with that, but a minority do.
                          Peace, Love, and Local Grindz

                          People who form FIRM opinions with so little knowledge only pretend to be open-minded. They select their facts like food from a buffet. David R. Dow

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                            Re: Obamanomics: Healtcare Reform or European-Modeled Socialized Medicine?

                            I saw a bumper sticker on topic this morning, "If Obama screws up health care, where will all the Canadians go?" Wow, what a 100 % delusion!!! It is the Americans who would love to get coverage in Canada, not the other way around. The same car had another sticker, "Jindall 2012, the end of Socialism" Prezident Bobbi Jindall...can't wait.

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                              Re: Obamanomics: Healtcare Reform or European-Modeled Socialized Medicine?

                              Originally posted by Kalalau View Post
                              "Jindall 2012, the end of Socialism" Prezident Bobbi Jindall...can't wait.
                              I thought he was out walkin' the Appalachian Trail? Why isn't he passing the ball in order to "progressing" his State?

                              There's always Mitt Romney for Pres. I bet he conducts his campaign on a bicycle, white shirt, black tie, selling home security systems.

                              Lingle is looking better and better all the time as the Repub alternative....driving her ol' Weinermobile.
                              Peace, Love, and Local Grindz

                              People who form FIRM opinions with so little knowledge only pretend to be open-minded. They select their facts like food from a buffet. David R. Dow

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