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  • Re: Obamanomics: Healthcare Reform or European-Modeled Socialized Medicine?

    Okay, I haven't been closely following this thread, but here's an interesting bit about cost/value disparity (or systemic corruption) - The Fix is In

    (Hooray, my link worked!)
    May I always be found beneath your contempt.

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    • Re: Obamanomics: Healthcare Reform or European-Modeled Socialized Medicine?

      Originally posted by matapule View Post
      You must be one of those "trust fund babies."
      I wish.
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      Tiananmen Square 4-15-89 to 6-04-89

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      • Re: Obamanomics: Healthcare Reform or European-Modeled Socialized Medicine?

        Originally posted by salmoned View Post
        Okay, I haven't been closely following this thread, but here's an interesting bit about cost/value disparity (or systemic corruption) - The Fix is In

        (Hooray, my link worked!)
        If there is ever a need for such a reform, begin with eliminating the Hsiao model from both Medicare and privatized HMOs.

        It may peeved many specialist doctors, though, but who cares. Generally, we all visit primary care doctors first.
        Beijing 8-08-08 to 8-24-08

        Tiananmen Square 4-15-89 to 6-04-89

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        • Re: Obamanomics: Healthcare Reform or European-Modeled Socialized Medicine?

          I must admit I'm disappointed with the entire presidential thrust. We have 'socialized medicine' for the military, for veterans and for the elderly. Either it's good for us all or it's not good at all. If we don't extend it to the entire citizenry, let's take it away from those 'special interest groups'. It just seems obvious that a one payer system has the greatest potential to curb costs and redirect inefficient spending. Why should health care be an entitlement for the elderly, but not for all?

          This talk of obligating the uninsured to purchase their own health insurance does nothing to contain costs. As well, the next financial debacle could be the failure/bailout of the insurance companies, oops, I forgot we already bailed out AIG...
          May I always be found beneath your contempt.

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          • Re: Obamanomics: Healthcare Reform or European-Modeled Socialized Medicine?

            Interesting poll results from CNN.com moments ago:

            Will Congress pass most of President Obama's health care proposals this year?

            Yes... 50%... 194,499

            No... 50%... 194,903

            Total Votes: 389,402
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            That's my story, and I'm sticking to it.

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            • Re: Obamanomics: Healthcare Reform or European-Modeled Socialized Medicine?

              Originally posted by LikaNui View Post
              Interesting poll results from CNN.com moments ago:

              Will Congress pass most of President Obama's health care proposals this year?

              Yes... 50%... 194,499

              No... 50%... 194,903

              Total Votes: 389,402
              Recount? How many were hanging chads?

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              • Re: Obamanomics: Healthcare Reform or European-Modeled Socialized Medicine?

                Originally posted by Walkoff Balk View Post
                How many were hanging chads?
                We keep tellin' ya, man - he's from Kenya, not Chad!

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                • Re: Obamanomics: Healthcare Reform or European-Modeled Socialized Medicine?

                  Originally posted by salmoned View Post
                  Why should health care be an entitlement for the elderly, but not for all?
                  Because maybe we've earned it? Same as we've earned our measley social security which, if we are taking it, is not enough to afford medical care/meds and still have enough for rent & groceries. Let alone any quality of life. I've worked for 50 years and damn it - I've earned the right to some benefits! and Medicare is not free - we still have to pay for it. and it only covers a small % of the cost of our prescriptions.

                  Sorry, this is a very touchy subject for me.
                  "Democracy is the only system that persists in asking the powers that be whether they are the powers that ought to be."
                  – Sydney J. Harris

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                  • Re: Obamanomics: Healthcare Reform or European-Modeled Socialized Medicine?

                    Yep...what Anapuni808 wrote...

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                    • Re: Obamanomics: Healthcare Reform or European-Modeled Socialized Medicine?

                      Originally posted by Walkoff Balk View Post
                      Recount? How many were hanging chads?
                      Originally posted by Leo Lakio View Post
                      We keep tellin' ya, man - he's from Kenya, not Chad!
                      Leo Lakio… THAT one belongs in the Best Comeback Line thread!
                      To be, or musubi... What was da question?

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                      • Re: Obamanomics: Healthcare Reform or European-Modeled Socialized Medicine?

                        Originally posted by anapuni808 View Post
                        Because maybe we've earned it? Same as we've earned our measley social security which, if we are taking it, is not enough to afford medical care/meds and still have enough for rent & groceries. Let alone any quality of life.
                        Social security was never designed as a complete retirement program. Some retirees try to use it that way, but in most cases, Social Security alone will not provide for a quality of life most of us aspire to. Social Security is merely a supplemental retirement program.

                        and Medicare is not free - we still have to pay for it.
                        Yes, that is true. However, after about age 75, a Medicare recipient begins to take more out of the health care system than they paid in. So at that point it does become a form of socialized medicine. Currently Congress is trying to "fix" Medicare (separate from the whole health care debate) by increasing payroll deductions to cover a potential Medicare recipient to a life expectancy that is more realistic in this day and age.

                        We old folks need to stop living so long!
                        Peace, Love, and Local Grindz

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                        • Re: Obamanomics: Healthcare Reform or European-Modeled Socialized Medicine?

                          We old folks shoulda had more kids to support us in our old age.
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                          • Re: Obamanomics: Healthcare Reform or European-Modeled Socialized Medicine?

                            Originally posted by matapule View Post
                            Social security was never designed as a complete retirement program. Some retirees try to use it that way, but in most cases, Social Security alone will not provide for a quality of life most of us aspire to. Social Security is merely a supplemental retirement program
                            It's nice for those who can afford to use Social Security as a "supplement". However, in the real world, which is where I live - there are many oldsters who don't have any other form of income. So, they don't really have a choice. Maybe it's due to poor advance planning, or circumstances during their work careers, financial disasters - but many don't have any other form of retirement income. and lets not forget those who had a 401K with employers who have now gone bankrupt & have lost everything.

                            I applaud those who can use SS as a supplement. But, not everyone is so fortunate.
                            "Democracy is the only system that persists in asking the powers that be whether they are the powers that ought to be."
                            – Sydney J. Harris

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                            • Re: Obamanomics: Healthcare Reform or European-Modeled Socialized Medicine?

                              Originally posted by matapule View Post
                              We old folks need to stop living so long!
                              Stop telling people not to smoke, or to eat healthy, or to get exercise.
                              Beijing 8-08-08 to 8-24-08

                              Tiananmen Square 4-15-89 to 6-04-89

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                              • Re: Obamanomics: Healthcare Reform or European-Modeled Socialized Medicine?

                                Originally posted by anapuni808 View Post
                                and lets not forget those who had a 401K
                                My 401K is now a 201K! but it is beginning to gain ground again.

                                There isn't enough money in the world to cover everyone's lack of planning or victimized circumstances.
                                Peace, Love, and Local Grindz

                                People who form FIRM opinions with so little knowledge only pretend to be open-minded. They select their facts like food from a buffet. David R. Dow

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