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    Some people, when they don't get the answers they're hoping for, move on to another forum in search of those elusive answers. Susie mentioned she'd already visited other forums before HT. I can't say that's why she hasn't returned to HT but I'd wager a small bet that she hasn't been dissuaded from moving to Molokai...yet! A month's vacation on Molokai might give her a better grip on the subject.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anapuni808 View Post
    I can't decide if that was a very passive-agressive post or not.
    if you're talking about surfingfarmboy's post, anapuni, i'd say it's not. he was pretty clear in communicating what he felt and didn't try hiding it, nor was he being manipulative. in fact, i'd say this thread is one of the few where passive-aggressiveness didn't rear it's sad, ugly & bitterly impotent head--probably bcs the poster(s) who have it as a posting hallmark didn't make much of an appearance here.
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    yeah, you're right.

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    My hope is that Susie, however she reacted initially, will decide to come back and fill us in on what she's thinking after having processed all the material we cast her way.

    Maybe a trip to Moloka`i will be in the works, or perhaps Pua`i Mana`o's suggestion has her studying up on Moku o Keawe?

    Or maybe the joys of an Iowa summer are keeping her away from the computer? (I'm just bummed now that internet voters caused the Iowa State Fair to back away from their plans to make a Michael Jackson sculpture out of butter; I was looking forward to that bit of artistry...)

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    I can't understand why no one gets down to the basic facts they're trying to convey. Molokai is tribal - the tribe doesn't want any outsiders inviting themselves to join up - just like any indigenous tribe anywhere else in the world. Visitors and news from afar may be welcome, but not self-inducted new members, much less new recruits to that other non-tribal community that has moved in on their turf.
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    Quote Originally Posted by salmoned View Post
    I can't understand why no one gets down to the basic facts they're trying to convey.
    'Cuz PC gets in the way of the truth being told up front.
    Now run along and play, but donít get into trouble.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acousticlady View Post
    Hi Susie,

    I notice that those on this board who are most familiar with Molokai are decidedly silent on this thread.......... which says something in of itself..... (Random - where are you?)
    Sorry. I just finally found this thread.


    Quote Originally Posted by acousticlady View Post
    Friends of ours relocated to Molokai a few years ago. And that was from Maui. It was (and still is) a tough nut to crack. They are still considered outsiders. He has to travel to Maui for work every day. That is a ferry ride each way with 10 ft swells on a good day.
    Just so you know, many locals from Molokai commutes to Maui for job.


    Quote Originally Posted by acousticlady View Post
    She is a teacher there. Education is another issue on Molokai. Unfortunately, it is not a priority. You avatar shows you with a small child? How will he be treated by the other children?
    If you're looking for the best education, you need not travel to Hawaii at all, as many Hawaii graduates with a teaching degree tend to look to the mainland for better job benefits and salary.

    Even if they want to stay in Hawaii, Molokai is not up there as their preference for workplace.


    Quote Originally Posted by acousticlady View Post
    You say you are from Iowa or Missouri. Either one is a place I have absolutely no idea about other than it is land-locked in the middle of the country. All I picture is flat corn fields and Dorothy (sorry Leo and whoever else is from there - chalk it up to cultural ignorance ).
    If you're referring to the Wizards of Oz, Dorothy lived in Kansas.


    Quote Originally Posted by acousticlady View Post
    I grew up on what amounts to a sand bar stuck out in the Atlantic ocean, where living off tourism and fishing is a way of life and visiting/living on & off for 20 yrs on Maui. I could not live on Molokai - as much as I love visiting there. You mention you had to drive 45 minutes to get groceries. How are your sea legs? There are no supermarkets on the island. And don't expect any to come too soon. That too, is a ferry ride away.
    Meh. I was born and raised on Molokai ... without the need for a supermarket.

    Quote Originally Posted by acousticlady View Post
    It's been a couple of years since I was there, but they used to have a bumper sticker on Molokai that says something like "Molokai - a wonderful place to visit - just don't stay" or something to that effect. Although the company that ran the Molokai Ranch have pulled out now (or could you say - pushed out?), they were trying to build ocean front McMansions on La'au Point. The last time we were there, all the for sale signs had buckshot through them. Of course, that is sacred land, but the point is, the locals- for many reasons - are not inclined to welcome strangers wanting to move there.
    Perhaps, but we are no different than the North Shore/Haleiwa folks who simply want to keep their country country.

    You have to understand, if one were to see opportunity, one must also be sensitive to the local culture and community lifestyle. And it's not just here in Hawaii, but also on the mainland. IIRC, there was a town somewhere that rejected the building of a Wal-Mart Supercenter.

    As for Molokai Ranch, as much as I tried to sympathize with them, their shutting down the historic plantation town of Maunaloa, abandoning Kaluakoi Hotel & Resort to rot (seen it with my bare eyes after 20 years), and hiking up residential water rate, just make them more of an outsider bully (their parent company Guoco Leisure is based in Malaysia).

    That and I cannot understand why they're so adamant on their Master Plan, other than desperately trying to pocket income. But then they have a history of mismanagements. From their failed development of Papohaku, to shutting down Kaluakoi Resorts, opening and then closing Maunaloa Lodge, they simply just don't know how to manage their properties.

    As for welcoming strangers, we are known as the "Friendly Isle." Since I've been back, I've noticed unfamiliar new faces (and by new, I can tell if the person is born or lived on Molokai long ... or not). I've no reason not to welcome them (though I'm very awkward when making longer conversations), so long they observe and respect the local lifestyle.


    Quote Originally Posted by acousticlady View Post
    I wish you all the best in your quest. But I highly recommend that you visit the different islands - each has its own unique character (kind of like the difference between Iowa and Missouri? I'm just guessing.....) - before you make the move. Good luck!
    Same here. Molokai have a laid-back lifestyle, even more laid back than Hana, Maui.

    Granted, our economy sucks, welfare and unemployment is rising, small businesses have shut down (e.g., Mango Mart, Paddler's Inn), and at this time I'm writing this post, our county water pump (with no backup) as well as the Hawaiian Homeland's water pump (served as de facto backup) are broken, certain "metropolitan" areas like the port town of Kaunkakai is slowly losing water pressure and won't be fixed until the end of the week. How we got this far without resolving it before it break, I'll never know.

    Having said that, there is no place for me but Molokai. I don't belong anywhere else, not even Honolulu, which I have lived since 1987.

    I hope you don't think less of me, salmoned.
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    I simply couldn't think less of you, Random.

    I am fully supportive of the residents of Molokai deciding their own fate with regard to every community issue - including government, commerce, infrastructure, tourism and population growth. The natural separations provided by our island environment offers an excellent opportunity to view the effects of policy variation in isolation - if we avail ourselves of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by salmoned View Post
    I simply couldn't think less of you, Random.
    Ummm... pardon if my English grammar skills are a bit rusty...
    But doesn't this phrasing imply that the writer, salmoned, thinks so little of the other person, Random,
    that salmoned's opinion could not be any lower?

    Not to put words in salmoned's mouth, but I think that salmoned actually meant to say the opposite,
    i.e., wanted to reassure Random that he is held in high esteem.

    I myself admire those who call Moloka'i "ku'u home," because I think it takes a special connection to the 'aina to do so.

    So, to Random: I hope you and the Moloka'i ohana continue to fight to preserve the "Moloka'i way of life"...
    After all, that's what makes Moloka'i such a special place.

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    I don't know if Susie's ever coming back (no login for over a month) but here's a followup on McAfee:

    Listed at $4.9M, auctioned Wednesday at $1.5M.
    http://www.auctioncompanyofamerica.c...7_G-870web.pdf

    Who knows, maybe she was the top bidder.

    Here's more of the McAfee story:
    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/21/bu...gewanted=print
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    I think susie is long gone. I now to have to agree with Nords' original thought "If a bunch of anonymous Internet posters could "crush" her dream then it wasn't strong enough to survive the journey."

    You know, it seems that those from the mainland seeking the dream of living a laid-back island lifestyle, with a year-round tropical climate similar to Hawaii's, might be better off trying to figure out a way to make it in the Florida Keys, rather than (for example) susie's entertainment of the extreme thought of moving from Iowa to Molokai. While there are some true locals to be found, it seems (based on my unscientific observations there) that the majority of residents in Key West and the Keys hale from somewhere else, all who relocated there seeking refuge from colder climates, or to escape the pressures of a big city life to live in a city that is clearly one of the most laid-back on the mainland...or to merely to catch some of the most spectacular sunsets in the USA (apologies to Sunset Beach) from Mallory Square on a daily basis. I think the residents of the Keys would be much more receptive to "immigrants" to the Conch Republic, seeing that so many of them are originally from points outside of the Keys. Relocating to the Keys wouldn't be at all like the experience she would (probably) have in moving into the tight-knit Molokai community.

    susie also states that her vocation is beadmaking and jewelry...that would fit well in Key West, with the number of tourists and cruise ships that visit there yearly. I think she'd have more success selling beads and jewelry in heavily tourist-oriented Key West than Kaunakakai, Molokai. Biggest negative about the Key West and the Keys: Property values and rents on par with Hawaii.

    Whatever course susie ultimately decides to chart for herself and her family, be it headed in the direction of Molokai, Key West, or wherever, I wish her well. I hope she does stop back in at HT and one day report to us all that she has at last finally found her personal paradise, far from the Iowa she is evidently isn't all that happy being a part of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Surfingfarmboy View Post
    You know, it seems that those from the mainland seeking the dream of living a laid-back island lifestyle, with a year-round tropical climate similar to Hawaii's, might be better off trying to figure out a way to make it in the Florida Keys, rather than (for example) susie's entertainment of the extreme thought of moving from Iowa to Molokai.
    Based on her previous posts, I don't think she'd be interested.

    Quote Originally Posted by susie View Post
    The climate is harsh most times of the year.
    Trading thunderstorms and tornadoes for thunderstorms (Florida is #1 in lightning deaths in America) and hurricanes may not be the greatest method for a change of lifestyle. What's more, Florida is crawling with former New Yorkers and Midwesterners!

    The West Coast may be an acceptable consolation, but I'm not entirely convinced that this person quit their original idea.

    Or hey, why not consider Goa, India? It wouldn't be too harsh outside of the monsoon season, and it would be cheap, and many there speak English. Plus, the Portuguese influence there (architecture, etc.) makes it seem like a relatively "familiar" place compared to the rest of the country. Sure it's international and far, but hey, Global Village!

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    For Vanguard: Goa! Even though Portugal was evicted from its colonial holdings (Goa, Daman, and Diu, among others) in India in 1961, RTP (national TV of Portugal) still produces a segment called "Contacto Goa", which is one of the many Contacto segments it produces, i.e., Contacto Azores, Contacto Macau, Contacto Mozambique, etc. Evidently, there are still enough Portuguese living in Goa, long after India forced Portugal from this enclave, to warrent the production of a show specifically for them. I don't speak a lick of Portuguese, (other than rudimentary basics like "bom dia"), but I watch the Contacto Goa show when it airs on RTP, just to see the videos of Goa. (My cable company provides RTP as a channel). Like you mentioned, Goa is still heavily influnced by the vestiges of Portugal. There is even a town there called Vasco Da Gama, often called Vasco for short. I'd love to visit Goa someday to expereince the melding of Indian and Portugese culture in south Asia. I recently visited Macau (and Hong Kong) in south China for same reason (Decmeber '07) and that trip was unforgettable.


    Going back to susie: One thing I've noted about anywhere we perceive worth living elsewhere, better than where we are now anyway, is that it for sure has something negative about it in the weather department. Vermont is a drop-dead gorgeous state, but the winters (obviously) are awful. Southern California has wildfires in summer and landslides during the rainy season. Not to mention the potential of earthquakes. Hawaii, as evidenced last December during that winter storm (about December 11th or so), is subject to torrential rains and flooding of its streams. Fact is, no place on earth is immune, weather-wise, from something that makes it a perfect place to live. No locale is a perfect nirvana. Key West may have its occasional hurricanes (far fewer than the Florida mainland), but I would bet susie would rather deal with a hurricane hitting there, rather than deal with a winter, which will come without fail and seemingly lasts forever. I think she'd think it's easier to deal with 80 degress in February in Key West than 15 degrees and wind chills in Iowa. And if Florida is indeed, as you put it, crawling with "....Midwesterners"...well, seeing she was originally from Missouri, and at last report living in Iowa, she'd probably feel right at home!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Surfingfarmboy View Post
    ... far from the Iowa she is evidently isn't all that happy being a part of.
    FWIW, I was just back there for a visit this past week, including the Iowa State Fair. Not such a bad place after all. Even the AF from Kane`ohe recognizes the beauty that is there.

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    About Iowa:
    Quote Originally Posted by Leo Lakio View Post
    Not such a bad place after all.
    Indeed it isn't. Remember, I'm a farmer. Iowa has some of the richest, most arable soil on earth. Not a bad place to be at all if one's vocation is agriculture. If I recall correctly, Iowa, in a Native language (can't remember which one) means "The Beautiful Land". For the record, I'm not one to bash Iowa. I like the state. Been to it many times, from Dubuque to Council Bluffs. I could envision myself living there.

    The comment I made about susie's desire to be away from Iowa is based directly on statements she has made about it in this thread. I can't speak for susie (I wish she'd check-in and give us an update on her plans), but I'm thinking she has a case of the "Grass is Greener on Another Island" syndrome, which is a malady most of us have suffered in one form of at one time.

    Speaking of Iowa, do you remember a television series that CBS produced in the early 70's called "Apple's Way"? It was a series that dealt with the daily trials of a young family living in the Fort Madison, Iowa area. I remember that this show, at times, presented Iowa in such a idyllic fashion that many who watched the show wished they could live the Iowa lifestyle portrayed. The series, for a time, made the concept of homesteading in Iowa an attractive one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Surfingfarmboy View Post
    Fact is, no place on earth is immune, weather-wise, from something that makes it a perfect place to live. No locale is a perfect nirvana.
    That is true! It may be fully realized when someone has done a bit of traveling, and of course, as you said in your post, some weather conditions are easier to bear than others.

    And if Florida is indeed, as you put it, crawling with "....Midwesterners"...well, seeing she was originally from Missouri, and at last report living in Iowa, she'd probably feel right at home!
    And that's likely what she does not want to feel, given that she expressed being drawn to Molokai in order to get away from it all. Although, being outside of a traditional tourist role for the very first time in a completely unfamiliar place may change one's mind.

    I enjoyed reading your passage about Goa. I too would like to see it sometime!

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    McAfee's story in the NYT attracted a few critical & unsympathetic comments. He responded to them:
    http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/20...s/?ref=economy

    I don't know how much he's learned from the experience but it sounds like it's definitely been more than he was ready to handle.

    I wonder how his former Molokai neighbors feel about his change in wealth and these latest reflections on his experiences...

    After getting McAfee's million-dollar boat infusion, I imagine Belize is inclined to look favorably on his desire to reside there for a while. I guess he wasn't inspired to offer it to any of Hawaii's harbor staff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Surfingfarmboy View Post
    Iowa has some of the richest, most arable soil on earth. Not a bad place to be at all if one's vocation is agriculture. If I recall correctly, Iowa, in a Native language (can't remember which one) means "The Beautiful Land".
    I grew up an urban kid, but there is great joy in heading out into the fields of Iowa. The gently rolling stretches of green from horizon to horizon, the sound of red-winged blackbirds singing each to each, the changing scent of the air as a cooling wind comes through on a previously-still, hot day...Another translation calls it "Place of Peace."
    Quote Originally Posted by Surfingfarmboy View Post
    I'm thinking she has a case of the "Grass is Greener on Another Island" syndrome, which is a malady most of us have suffered in one form of at one time.
    You nailed it, I believe. If we are fortunate, we reach a point in our lives where we find beauty, joy and peace wherever we happen to be. If our lives have negative aspects, they are likely to follow us no matter where we run.
    Quote Originally Posted by Surfingfarmboy View Post
    Speaking of Iowa, do you remember a television series that CBS produced in the early 70's called "Apple's Way"?
    I have only the vaguest memory of it - but you might have triggered something, thanks.

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    Don't forget to bring a fire extinguisher...

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    Well, Random, if you are on your computer and have access, things are looking up. Praying for a great big rainstorm for you all (just enough to douse the fires....)

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyleet99 View Post
    Well, Random, if you are on your computer and have access, things are looking up. Praying for a great big rainstorm for you all (just enough to douse the fires....)
    Well, it's not the biggest wildfire in Molokai history. We just have so many houses now, in places where there weren't any when I graduated (back in '87).

    As for me, I'm safe. Although I lived near where the fire started above the town, the fire has to go through so many houses in a downhill direction (townbound) to get to mine. It didn't. *knocks on wood*

    Funny, how this on Molokai prompted the entire state to go on a Fire Weather Watch.
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