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Originally posted by scrivener View PostAnd what is up with Nestor Garcia? He's going to line up with Rod Tam of all people?
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Originally posted by Frankie's Market View PostA great idea..... if you happen to be either elderly or handicapped, which are the type of passengers those front seats are reserved for. At least, that's how we do it in Honolulu. Don't know about how you do it in your own locale.
Originally posted by Frankie's Market View Postthere are bus passengers with far more objectionable conditions or habits than what she describes...How about a person who get on the bus, sits down, dozes off..... and then proceeds to urinate and/or take a crap right in their pants? And if a bus passenger is incontinent for any reason and is too stubborn to use a diaper, then I don't see why the rest of the passengers have to suffer with the nauseating smell and for the maintenance crew to have to go through the trouble of cleaning and disinfecting the contaminated area.
People do stinky things, not always on purpose. I say a Mea Culpa for them, too. Frankie, I sincerely hope you never become incontinent.
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Originally posted by cyleet99 View PostI live on Oahu (as you can easily see on each and every one of my postings) but I have not ridden any of the buses as yet.
Originally posted by cyleet99 View PostSo sorry that someone would do that around you, Sir. In reality, anyone who defecates or urinates in their pants in public (unless you are less than 2 or disabled in some way, but you would have a diaper in place) needs to be taken to a local ED for evaluation, both mental and physical.
People do stinky things, not always on purpose. I say a Mea Culpa for them, too. Frankie, I sincerely hope you never become incontinent.Last edited by Frankie's Market; September 2, 2009, 09:30 PM.This post may contain an opinion that may conflict with your opinion. Do not take it personal. Polite discussion of difference of opinion is welcome.
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Originally posted by scrivener View PostI simply cannot believe Lynn, Susie, and possibly salmoned (I couldn't really tell from the tone of the post) are the only ones who've come down opposed to this.
I’ve also used King County Metro Transit extensively during four different visits to the Seattle area. Each time, I’ve been VERY impressed by the quality of the Metro experience, especially when you compare it with TheBus.
Originally posted by Leo Lakio View PostMany of the elements of this proposal came from the King County Metro codes of conduct developed here in Seattle. To the best of my knowledge, no one has been prosecuted for the "offensive odor" aspect of the codes, only for more disruptive behavior.Originally posted by Frankie's Market View Post… Let me ask this question: How long has the King County (Seattle) transportation code of conduct been in force now? And has it ever faced legal challenge? …
(thanks, Leo Lakio!), and the closest thing that Oahu Transit Services has to a corresponding webpage,
Rules, Regulations and Rider Tips, I think it’s evident that there is a BIG difference in the two counties’ approaches to transit system administration.
To quote the opening paragraphs of King County’s Metro Transit Code of Conduct:
To help ensure the safety, security, comfort and convenience of all those who use our services, the King County Council passed an ordinance to regulate conduct on Metro Transit property. In simple terms, it's best described as the way to "ride right". When you ride right, you treat others as you would like to be treated. And you show respect for your fellow passengers and the transit vehicles and facilities you use.
Everyone benefits when you ride right. Transit passengers enjoy a safe, secure, comfortable and inviting atmosphere, and the overall efficiency of the transportation system improves.
Originally posted by scrivener View PostI completely disagree about my right to stinking ending at YOUR nose. While I understand that being on a bus is different from being at the park, where the offended may move elsewhere if the offensive wanders too near, you cannot make it illegal to stink unless you are somehow going to define that term.
Criminal Penalties
Misdemeanors can result in a citation and fine up to $1,000, and/or arrest and imprisonment in the county jail for not more than ninety (90) days.
… 17. Bringing onto transit property odors which unreasonably disturb others or interfere with their use of the transit system, whether such odors arise from one's person, clothes, articles, accompanying animal or any other source.
Since King County's Transit Code of Conduct has been in effect since roughly 1995, it would seem that undesirable behaviors such as *odor* can be sufficiently defined in such a way as to be upheld and enforced...To be, or musubi... What was da question?
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Originally posted by musubi View PostI think it says a lot about how unpleasant TheBus experience is, or has been, for many people. I “did my time” as a regular commuter on TheBus at least 5 days a week, over a period of three years. Most of my travel was on routes 52, 1, 2, 4, 6 & 8.
I’ve also used King County Metro Transit extensively during four different visits to the Seattle area. Each time, I’ve been VERY impressed by the quality of the Metro experience, especially when you compare it with TheBus.
So, Scrivener... on the King County Metro System, at least, your right to stink apparently DOES have limits that end at other peoples' noses.
Since King County's Transit Code of Conduct has been in effect since roughly 1995, it would seem that undesirable behaviors such as *odor* can be sufficiently defined in such a way as to be upheld and enforced...
Anapuni808's point about cell phones is a good example. I would add to it noisy teenagers (and I, a high school teacher, normally love noisy teenagers). Everyone's experience would be better if noisy teens and cell phone conversations were made illegal. But we're talking here about civility, and I while I do my best to be civil and to treat people well, I don't think I want to live in a society where civility is MANDATED, even if the result is desirable.But I'm disturbed! I'm depressed! I'm inadequate! I GOT IT ALL! (George Costanza)
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Cataluna's solution...
Lee had both a funny and serious take on the matter - www.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/20090903/COLUMNISTS02/909030331/0/COLUMNISTS02/Stinky-Tam-bill-could-use-a-beagle
But the most serious issue not being addressed in all this hauna biz is the eating of arare on the bus. Talk about stink?!Last edited by Ron Whitfield; September 3, 2009, 07:58 AM.
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hehehehe
Thanks, Ron. Lee's article gave me a good giggle to start the day. Personally I love beagles and would definitely defer to their better judgement.
BTW..(chomp chomp) what's wrong with eating arare?? (chomp chomp) Love the stuff! And the crunch (chomp) would drown out the cellphone talkers!
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Originally posted by scrivener View PostI simply cannot believe Lynn, Susie, and possibly salmoned (I couldn't really tell from the tone of the post) are the only ones who've come down opposed to this.
Offensive odor is not only a matter of opinion, it can also be an expression of opinion. As long as it doesn't endanger others, it's a 'free speech' (or free stench) issue. When others are endangered, it morphs into an issue of assault/battery/reckless endangerment. No new regulations are required, unless enforcement of current regulation with regard to this issue has met with judicial censure.
Honey, don't you just love my new chloroform perfume? It just knocks everyone out with a hint of prussic acid!Last edited by salmoned; September 3, 2009, 09:28 AM.May I always be found beneath your contempt.
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I would actually be okay with doing away with Christmas as a state holiday.But I'm disturbed! I'm depressed! I'm inadequate! I GOT IT ALL! (George Costanza)
GrouchyTeacher.com
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Originally posted by Albert View PostHey, if I don't like a lady's perfume (which often happens), can I complain to the bus driver and get her kicked off the bus?
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Originally posted by scrivener View PostI've used it too (though obviously not as a regular commuter). The entire city of Seattle is a model of good citizenship. The streets and sidewalks are clean, people are nice, and it just feels good to be there. However, should good citizenship be required by law? I say no.
I have no doubt that what is proposed would make for a nicer experience for just about everybody, especially for the people who bear most of the burden of paying for the transit. I am just convinced, though, that the solution here is not to ban smelly people from buses but instead to address the things that cause the behaviors. What if, instead, we became a city where homelessness, while not unheard of, was a rarity? Or if, instead, people with mental and physical illnesses received the care they needed so that horrible mishaps such as have been described in this thread almost never ever happened?.
And yet.... to positively address these problems, does it not take care and concern on our part? In order to fund programs that provide assistance to the disadvantaged, does it not take a willingness on our part as taxpayers to allow our hard-earned money to be used towards these kinds of projects that may not directly benefit us?
Fighting homelessness and caring for the less fortunate of society involves sacrifice on everyone else's part. In other words, people need to look beyond their own self-interest. But realistically Scriv, how can you expect society as a whole to make these kinds of tremendous sacrifices to solve the big problems when you think it is too much to expect people to make the small, everyday sacrifices that don't even cost a cent? Think about it. If younger and able bus passengers aren't impressed with the importance of respecting the reserved seating for the elderly, then do you expect those same folks to be willing to make the financial sacrifices to support programs that assist old people? Hmmmm.
Originally posted by salmoned View PostOffensive odor is not only a matter of opinion, it can also be an expression of opinion. As long as it doesn't endanger others, it's a 'free speech' (or free stench) issue. When others are endangered, it morphs into an issue of assault/battery/reckless endangerment.This post may contain an opinion that may conflict with your opinion. Do not take it personal. Polite discussion of difference of opinion is welcome.
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