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    Default December 2012

    Depending on the sources either December 21 or December 23, 2012 is when the Mayan Calendar ends or resets itself after 5,000+ years of keeping track of dates. What happens on or after those dates, well different people have different views of what might happen.

    If you want express your views about this event then this thread is the place for it. If you want to talk about the movie 2012 which opens November 13 please go to the thread titled 2012 in The Big Picture subforum.
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    One thing for sure, there will be a lot of people out there just itching to make money out of our fears.
    Another thing: If it is the end of the world, there's not much we can do about it.

    Just in case it's not, don't throw your money away.

    I've heard just about everything from a pole shift, a magnetic shift, the return of the twelfth planet 'Niburu,' comets, asteroids and so on.

    The Mayan 5,200-year cycle has passed by approximately six or seven times since homo-sapiens-sapiens evolved upon this Earth. Perhaps the ruins we have uncovered older than 5,000 years ago are destroyed civilizations from previous disasters, but we survived.

    Catastrophic changes can come at any time, without warning. I'm not going to lose any sleep over this one.

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    Archaeologists have interpreted the Mayan Calendar and it does, in fact end in December, 2012. But here is the rest of the story. The Mayan Calendar starts anew after that date. It is like your desk calendar, when the year ends, you throw it out and put a new one in its place for the new year. The difference is that the our Gregorian Calendar is based on the annual solar cycle. The Mayan Calendar is based on some other cycle composed of generations. (I'll try to find the link)

    The idea that the world is going to end in December, 2012 based on a Mayan Calendar is nothing but tu'u mama'o.
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    Does the Dec. 2012 Mayan prediction take into account the adjustments made when shifting from the Julian to Gregorian calendar?

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    December 23 is right before Christmas. I wonder how that will influence holiday shoppers and travellers?

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    I worked at Bank of America during the change from 1999-2000. That was total chaos. People were coming in to buy all denominations of money (even $2 bills and .50 coins), people buried money in their yards. The worst part was, the city workers got paid on Fridays, but they decided to pay them on Thursday, 12-30 instead without informing any of the banks. We were a small branch and we hadn't ordered enough money from the Fed Reserve, so we ran out of money since tons of people were cashing checks a day earlier than normal. People started FREAKING OUT and one guy started praying outside in the parking lot. Nightmare!

    As for 2012- well, the Bible says God will come back like a thief in the night, when no one is suspecting it. I would venture a guess that a lot of people will be suspecting it all that year. So maybe not the best choice, huh? But I really wish the History channel would quit Doomsdaying us. It's quite annoying and, I'll admit it, just a little scary.

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    Everyone has made out December 2012 to be a bad thing, but maybe it can be a good thing! Perhaps it's going to the next stage in human development -- we'll all get special abilities like on Heroes, surely!

    Quote Originally Posted by matapule View Post
    Archaeologists have interpreted the Mayan Calendar and it does, in fact end in December, 2012. But here is the rest of the story. The Mayan Calendar starts anew after that date. It is like your desk calendar, when the year ends, you throw it out and put a new one in its place for the new year. The difference is that the our Gregorian Calendar is based on the annual solar cycle. The Mayan Calendar is based on some other cycle composed of generations. (I'll try to find the link)

    The idea that the world is going to end in December, 2012 based on a Mayan Calendar is nothing but tu'u mama'o.
    I like this explanation best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matapule View Post
    It is like your desk calendar, when the year ends, you throw it out and put a new one in its place for the new year.
    Is the Mayan calendar the one carved out of a huge rock that weighs tons?

    I can see why they made it go as far as possible before they had to start on a new edition. Not like buying another Dilbert or Far Side model...
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    The only thing scientifically guaranteed to happen for 2011-2012 is more sunspot activity and solar storms.

    Y'all might even get to see the northern lights:

    http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2...larcycle24.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peshkwe View Post
    The only thing scientifically guaranteed to happen for 2011-2012 is more sunspot activity and solar storms.

    Y'all might even get to see the northern lights:

    http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2...larcycle24.htm

    An hour or twos drive from me and I am in Scotland. From there the northern lights come down like wavering coloured curtains. Great when you get a guy to play the bagpipes while this is happening. You feel like you are in a different world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matapule View Post
    The idea that the world is going to end in December, 2012 based on a Mayan Calendar is nothing but tu'u mama'o.
    Whats tu'u mama'o please?
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    Quote Originally Posted by memorylane View Post
    Whats tu'u mama'o please?
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    Originally Posted by matapule
    The idea that the world is going to end in December, 2012 based on a Mayan Calendar is nothing but tu'u mama'o.
    A safe bet. If you're wrong, no one will know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaonohi View Post
    The Mayan 5,200-year cycle has passed by approximately six or seven times since homo-sapiens-sapiens evolved upon this Earth.
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    Current estimate is around 40 times, not 6 or 7. Oldest found - 195,000 years old.
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    Quote Originally Posted by salmoned View Post
    Current estimate is around 40 times, not 6 or 7. Oldest found - 195,000 years old.
    If this calander is cyclical then it should go back as far as when the Earth was created which would be in the what billions or millions of years?

    My sister should get a kick outta this event since her birthday is on December 21st.
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    Quote Originally Posted by craigwatanabe View Post
    My sister should get a kick outta this event since her birthday is on December 21st.
    Make sure you get her one of those "today is the first day of the rest of your life"-type cards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leo Lakio View Post
    Make sure you get her one of those "today is the first day of the rest of your life"-type cards.
    I would but she's a Jehova's Witness. I'll bet if the end of the world happens on 12/21/12, the JW's would have never seen it coming since the JW that comes to my house every Saturday hasn't mentioned anything about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by salmoned View Post
    Current estimate is around 40 times, not 6 or 7. Oldest found - 195,000 years old.
    Amazing! Thanks for the correction - I was unaware of the latest fossil data from the 2005 study.

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    Surlygirly said this:

    "As for 2012- well, the Bible says God will come back like a thief in the night, when no one is suspecting it. I would venture a guess that a lot of people will be suspecting it all that year. So maybe not the best choice, huh?"

    And that is how I feel, too. My husband's kinda into it and reading all about it, etc., but since I firmly believe in the word of God, I'm not buying the Mayan stuff. I suspect God knows more than the Mayans--or anyone else--ever did!

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    Quote Originally Posted by HawaiiMama View Post
    And that is how I feel, too. My husband's kinda into it and reading all about it, etc., but since I firmly believe in the word of God, I'm not buying the Mayan stuff. I suspect God knows more than the Mayans--or anyone else--ever did!
    Certainly the Supreme Being knows more than we mere mortals, but how can we tell what is from God and what is from man (and possibly influenced by fallen angels)?

    According to the Mormon Word of God, Jesus also came to the Americas; perhaps he gave the Mayan Indians the calendar? What is the "right" religion? The Catholic Church of Rome, founded by Peter? "Thy name is now Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church." Or the Protester churches founded by Martin Luther? Or is it someone else???? Maybe me? Maybe YOU!

    As far as he KJV of the Jewish/Christian Bible goes, the apostle Paul said many things that contradicted the Words of Jesus, and Jesus said, "All these things will happen before this generation passeth away."

    If you depend on faith, blind faith, for your security and guidance, that is your decision. But let us not judge others (I'm not saying you are) if they want to research and compare various revelations from other cultures to help find the truth.

    Speak your truth to those who listen, and listen to others in case they may find a truth from God that the pagan emperor Constantine decided shouldn't be included in the "official" Bible as dictated by a pagan Roman emperor.

    Perhaps there is "one truth" - no, I'm certain there is "one truth." However, I am also certain that mankind does not yet know it, because of negative (satanic?) influences upon our efforts. I think it is incumbent upon us all to "seek" so we shall find. "Ye that have ears, let ye hear!"

    We know the basics; start there. Ask your spiritual connection (Yahweh, Jesus, Allah, whomever) for guidance. Follow your path and if you are revealed to be a prophet, share your prophesies.

    As for me, I am certain that there is a higher power in the Universe, and as intelligent, evolved parts of that creation we enjoy a special place in the creation.

    This does not mean we don't have to strive, to work, to LEARN....
    That's our job:
    We can know the creator by:
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    2. examining critically those texts(works) that came before us,
    3. examining the teachings in light of personal experience,
    4. putting our conclusions into actions,
    and seeing whether it makes a better world.

    Mine do.
    I will not pretend to know everything - I do not.

    I study. I strive to understand. More, I strive to not be misled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by helen View Post
    Depending on the sources either December 21 or December 23, 2012 is when the Mayan Calendar ends or resets itself after 5,000+ years of keeping track of dates. What happens on or after those dates, well different people have different views of what might happen.
    I was just wondering:

    Did the Sacred, Intelligent, all-knowing, omniscient Mayan Calendar predict the fall of the Mayan kingdom as well?

    From what I've heard (third-hand, and I haven't checked), the Mayans were significantly decimated before the armies of the East (i.e., Europe) even set foot on their shores. When Europeans (Spanish) got there it seems the culture was already significantly in decline.

    Did they predict and avoid their own conquest?

    Perhaps we'd better watch out!

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    Well they apparently vacated their village before any slaughter could have happened.
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    Sounds about right...
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