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    Default Re: HPD's online DUI pics

    Quote Originally Posted by Frankie's Market View Post
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    Looks like someone had to wipe the drool off his lips and chin before his photo was taken.
    Could be, but looked to me like an employee had to hold the dude's head up for the photo to be taken! Possibly the employees other hand was holding the dude's torso against the wall to steady him!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frankie's Market View Post
    Mostly cuz it's been all the talk at the watering holes that I visit.
    Fair enough. Sometimes, "anecdotal" evidence turns out to be a mighty accurate meter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bjd392 View Post
    I also disagree with posting pictures of "alleged" DUI suspects on the basis of innocent until proven guilty.

    If HPD wanted to get this right (and not infringe on the rights of the accused), they should be posting mugshots of CONVICTED drunk drivers, identifying who they are, where they drove, their BAC and what their punishment was.

    she said, "Oh, just dial 911 and ask for the police department."

    WRONG IDEA. Why am I 1) tying up an emergency line for a business call, and 2) paying a cell phone emergency fee for calling 911? HPD drives me crazy not because of what they do, but what they don't do, and what they don't do correctly.
    And that's not all HPD is doing wrong. There's a contingent of 'bad cops,' some of whom were involved in the 'aerial granade' illegal fireworks this year, some of whom are working with criminals to protect chop-shops and drug labs (a friend I know has photographic evidence he can't use because he's afraid of losing his job and facing "retribution."

    What do you do when your government is crooked and your cops (not all, but enough) are bad? If we were a nation, we could revolt. But an island state?

    It's not getting better, either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tutusue View Post
    Could be, but looked to me like an employee had to hold the dude's head up for the photo to be taken! Possibly the employees other hand was holding the dude's torso against the wall to steady him!
    Lee Cataluna even wrote about that guy - http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/ar...y+show+in+town
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    OK, I'm caught. Number 55 in the 'Lineup.'

    I noticed that in the photos, many were 'sanpaku' (i.e., the white of their eyes were on 3sides of their iris), two had 'samurai topknots,' some were exhibiting 'shame' and others arrogance. Some looked 'evilly' angry, and other looked like, "Oh well, let's get this over with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StinkyTheGrump View Post
    Lee Cataluna even wrote about that guy - http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/ar...y+show+in+town
    Poor guy! Little did he know that he would gain a bit of notoriety!

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    53 DUI arrests for the week of Jan. 3 thru 9. A little bit up from last week. But that is still way down from the 2008 average of 83 arrests per week.

    With these kinds of results, I think the DUI website is here to stay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frankie's Market View Post
    With these kinds of results, I think the DUI website is here to stay.
    Not to mention the apparent entertainment value!

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    The HPD postings for DUI arrestees totals 108 for the week of Jan 31-Feb 6. that's really high (so to speak) - wonder what they were all celebrating? Too early for Super Bowl feb 7 . . .

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    Looks like the next round of DUI photos will sadly include one well known local singer. Check out this link.
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    That's my story, and I'm sticking to it.

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    Default Re: HPD's online DUI pics

    why do you say this is sad? He is a human being, with flaws, as all of us are. He happened to get stopped for drunk driving. Look at it this way - he was stopped before he could cause an accident and possibly kill someone. and lets face it - drunk driving, while a very serious charge, kind of fades in the shadow of his other legal problems.

    and just to be clear = I have been a HUGE C & K fan since the 70's and thats not gonna change because of this DUI.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LikaNui View Post
    Looks like the next round of DUI photos will sadly include one well known local singer.[...]
    Hmmm...shades of yesteryear.

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    HPD faxing around a news release this morning saying they're "reviewing" the post-a-mug program and that no further photos will be available TFN. I think this is earlier than how long they said their pilot would be. Somebody sue?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kimo View Post
    HPD faxing around a news release this morning saying they're "reviewing" the post-a-mug program and that no further photos will be available TFN. I think this is earlier than how long they said their pilot would be. Somebody sue?
    I don't think it helped that some idiot on Facebook made a DUI Wednesday page. The names and pic of the offenders were only supposed to be viewable to the public for 24 hours, but that page kept the pics online for way past that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frankie's Market View Post
    I don't think it helped that some idiot on Facebook made a DUI Wednesday page. The names and pic of the offenders were only supposed to be viewable to the public for 24 hours, but that page kept the pics online for way past that.
    You mean the HPD actually believed that something posted on the internet could be there only temporarily, guaranteed? Haaa-haaa-haaaaaaa! (Newbie definition #37.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frankie's Market View Post
    I don't think it helped that some idiot on Facebook made a DUI Wednesday page.
    I wouldn't call that person an idiot. It's wacky like a morning zoo radio deejay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walkoff Balk View Post
    I wouldn't call that person an idiot. It's wacky like a morning zoo radio deejay.
    I'm not calling him an idiot because of his sense of humor. I just think it's a shame that sites like this may have contributed to the demise of the DUI wall of shame, which I think was a good deterrent.

    It is obviously possible for people to copy the 24-hour mugshots from the HPD website and post them onto another site for perpetuity, just as it is also possible for sexual predators to use chat rooms to entice underage children. Just because it is "possible" to do something over the internet doesn't make it right.
    Last edited by Frankie's Market; March 9th, 2010 at 08:32 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frankie's Market View Post
    Just because it is "possible" to do something over the internet doesn't make it right.
    And just because it's not "right" doesn't mean no one will do it.

    If the HPD is using other people's posting of the pictures as an excuse for pulling the site, they are quite ignorant regarding how the internet operates.

    But are they using that as an excuse? Or was that just speculation on your part, FM?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leo Lakio View Post
    And just because it's not "right" doesn't mean no one will do it.
    Indeed. And that is where consequences are laid out whenever abuses of the internet occur. In the case of online predators, they take the risk of getting caught in police sting operations.

    Quote Originally Posted by Leo Lakio View Post
    If the HPD is using other people's posting of the pictures as an excuse for pulling the site, they are quite ignorant regarding how the internet operates.
    Preventing/discouraging social network users and bloggers from misusing the DUI website doesn't take rocket science. HPD could add an opening disclaimer page stipulating (in legal language) the terms and conditions that users of the website must abide by, if they are going to access the site. On the bottom of the disclaimer page, an "accept" or "decline" option is given. The Hawaii Judiciary branch currently does that for anyone who uses their online database.

    Anyone who violates any part of the agreement they have accepted could then face consequences for their actions.

    Quote Originally Posted by Leo Lakio View Post
    But are they using that as an excuse? Or was that just speculation on your part, FM?
    HPD is not giving an official reason for the suspension of the pilot program. But anyone with elbow grease in their brain power can figure out that the dissemination and perpetual posting of names/mug shots posed a legal concern. From an excellently researched Star Bulletin editorial:

    New York's Nassau County launched its Web site, titled "Wall of Shame," in May of last year but it was temporarily halted by a state judge five months later for denying due process of law to those pictured. Unlike Honolulu's planned site, the names and photos of those arrested in the Long Island county were posted on the Internet for an unlimited period.

    The New York judge cited a U.S. Supreme Court ruling in concluding that "something more than simple defamation" by a government official or agency is necessary to reach what he called "stigma plus."

    In Nassau County, the judge concluded, the county's "publishing and maintaining the petitioner's name, picture and identifying information embedded in a press release on the county's Internet Web site, which results in limitless and eternal notoriety, without any controls, is sufficient to be the 'plus' in the 'stigma plus' due process analysis in the case."
    Last edited by Frankie's Market; March 10th, 2010 at 08:33 AM.

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    Looks to me that the HPD might be a little concerned by the Nassau County ruling, rather than what anyone else in Webland is doing. Probably pulled the site on the advice of "cya" attorneys, while they analyze whether the good of possible prevention is worth the risk of legal action.

    But that's just my humble interpretation. Based on the comments in the editorial, it looks as though HPD felt they were on stronger legal ground. Perhaps a little tweaking (such as adding the suggested disclaimer - which really ought to have been done at the start, strengthening my point that HPD is not as well-versed in internet activity as they ought to have been) will make them confident enough to continue.

    I look forward to hearing more reports from HPD as to the perceived success of the program, post shortened-pilot period or upon resumption of the site.

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    What is that internet guideline that parents tell their children ... something along the lines of "Anything you post on the internet is there forever, and don't ever forget that!".

    Surely HPD knows those basics. So, I wonder if the excuse of the photos showing up on facebook is just that ... an excuse to take the heat off of the real problem, which could very well be lawsuit related. (And, the county isn't going to admit that they've done something that could result in a lawsuit, so deflecting the blame elsewhere would be handy.)

    Or, perhaps someone was arrested for a DUI that is a decision maker about the DUI website.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amati View Post
    Or, perhaps someone was arrested for a DUI that is a decision maker about the DUI website.
    No need for speculation on your part for that, is there? After all, the names of all the offenders were listed on the site.

    Who was arrested that would have the power to single-handedly shut down the DUI website? There were none that I noticed. Do you have any "suspect" in mind on that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kimo View Post
    HPD faxing around a news release this morning saying they're "reviewing" the post-a-mug program and that no further photos will be available TFN. I think this is earlier than how long they said their pilot would be. Somebody sue?
    HPD came to their senses???????

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amati View Post
    Or, perhaps someone was arrested for a DUI that is a decision maker about the DUI website.
    I can't believe politicians would drink and drive. They supposed to know right from wrong.

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    People are going to drink and drive regardless of the website. Having a couple weeks with spikes in arrests only showed that more drinkers were caught... which implies that there were already a lot of drunks on the road to begin with. The irony is to claim one week with a low number of arrests as a "success" only to be slammed the following week with several (which others would call as "success" as well).

    One question is, never mind whether a politician's face was put on a Wednesday lineup, but what if a cop's face ended up on there... or not...?

    I never viewed the website. It has no influence on my everyday decision making with respect to drinking and driving. It doesn't take a website to tell me what I was already raised to know.

    Until HPD can get their issues, decisions and legal obligations straightened out, chalk this up as a win for the Civil Liberties of Hawaiian residents. Shunning someone who is "presumed innocent until proven guilty" was HPD's first legal and moral error.

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