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    Having driven in 43 states and completing several cross country road trips (including New York, New Jersey, California and other high-density areas), I have a good idea of how Americans drive. When I moved to Hawaii, a place where people "drive with Aloha," I was stunned at some of the irony when I was actually on the roads.

    As a Hawaii driver, what transportation faux pas, driver etiquette, or other irritations do you find yourself dealing with? When faced with your situation, how do you overcome it?

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    It references this 2005 Honolulu Advertiser article:
    We may be isolated from the Mainland by 2,400 miles of ocean and centuries of distinct cultural history, but as a community of drivers, are we really that different from our continental counterparts?"The people of Hawai'i are wonderful, considerate, sharing people," says Merle Trotter, who has split time between O'ahu and her home in San Diego since retiring in 1997. "But they do have certain peculiarities when it comes to driving."

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    How do I overcome it? I've been thinking of writing a book called: You Know You're Going to Hell If:

    1) A driver is signalling to merge into your lane and you speed up to close the gap.

    It seems so typical of driving in Hawaii where I see this lack of Aloha. Having driven in several states as well, I can compare even local driving. Honolulu drivers are more courteous than Big Island drivers. In Honolulu a driver will usually wave at you for letting them in. On the Big Island, they typically don't. On the Big Island if you're driving 55-MPH on a single lane, cars will pass you on the right hand shoulder lane even though that lane is narrower than the driving lane and there is a pedistrian walking on it because there are no sidewalks, hence no curbing.

    Hilo drivers use the California Stop method at a stopsign...meaning they don't come to a complete stop, they simply roll thru the stop sign.

    And I found out that wahine drivers on the Big Island aren't so easily intimidated by male drivers yelling at them. Big Island wahine drivers will stop on the roadway and call you out. Ova hea Sista no mo shame and goin tune your okole real good.

    You can tell the good drivers here on the Big Island...they're not from here.

    So when a bad driver cuts me off, I remind my kids that God made a place for bad drivers like that and in the end their final destination won't be a nice place.
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    I don't mind the adz-holes as much as I mind the idiots.

    I've been here long time, so I know how to avoid uber-tailgaters, weavers, speeders, no signal lefties and cut-offs (people who drive with their attitudes).

    My pet peeve is the drivers who get on the expressways (H-1, 2, 3, 201) or any other 2-lane road, get in the left lane and either drive slower than everyone else or pace the car in the right lane, making it difficult or impossible to pass them.

    Many people (even television personalities!) don't realize it's a violation of Hawaii state statutes if you don't move to the right to let faster traffic pass! Ever see the "Slower Traffic Keep Right" signs? That's what they mean!

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    Quote Originally Posted by craigwatanabe View Post
    You can tell the good drivers here on the Big Island...they're not from here.
    By and large, Big Isle drivers are the worst ones in this state.

    But if anyone thinks Big Isle motorists are bad,... Heck, if anyone think California drivers are the pits, then that person has obviously never been to Puerto Rico.

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    I still find plenty of driving Aloha in Waianae. However, my very general overview of driving in Hawaii has to do with so many different cultures and immigrants cruising our highways and byways using their foreign driving 'skills'!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaonohi View Post
    Many people (even television personalities!) don't realize it's a violation of Hawaii state statutes if you don't move to the right to let faster traffic pass! Ever see the "Slower Traffic Keep Right" signs? That's what they mean!

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    By law if the slow driver is going the posted speed limit, they can stay in that fast lane. Also if the speed limit is 55 and the minimum posted speed limit is 40-mph, you cannot pass that motorist as they are going the slowest but still posted speed limit and if you do intend on passing a motorist, you cannot exceed the posted speed limit. Basically passing is only allowed when a motorist is driving less than the minimum posted speed limit. If a motorist is going 30 in a 55 you can safely pass at 55, no need to accelerate beyond the speed limits here.
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    Ohh, I have a few!

    1. When it's obvious one of the lanes is going to end and a bunch of a-holes get out of line and get in the ending lane just to cut back in front of you. HATE!!!! I deal with this by blocking the ending lane with my car when I know the person coming up is a cutter and not letting them in.

    2. People on the freeways yielding to people entering the freeways. And oncoming people expecting to be yielded to. Guess it's not so dangerous when...

    3. Everyone drives 45 on the freeways.

    4. Not going when the light is green, then when you gently tap your horn at them after 30 seconds or so just to let them know they need to stop texting and go, they follow you from the Foodland in Ewa Beach down the H-1 past the H-2, cussing and throwing the finger, while trying to run you off the road.

    Can't think of anything creative this time


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    Quote Originally Posted by surlygirly View Post
    Ohh, I have a few!

    1. When it's obvious one of the lanes is going to end and a bunch of a-holes get out of line and get in the ending lane just to cut back in front of you. HATE!!!! I deal with this by blocking the ending lane with my car when I know the person coming up is a cutter and not letting them in.

    2. People on the freeways yielding to people entering the freeways. And oncoming people expecting to be yielded to. Guess it's not so dangerous when...

    3. Everyone drives 45 on the freeways.

    4. Not going when the light is green, then when you gently tap your horn at them after 30 seconds or so just to let them know they need to stop texting and go, they follow you from the Foodland in Ewa Beach down the H-1 past the H-2, cussing and throwing the finger, while trying to run you off the road.
    Sounds like a case for Road Rage Now if they're "throwing the finger" at you at least you stopped them from texting. At that point I would get out of my car and proceed to beat the living crap outta them. Last time someone pointed his finger at my face, that finger ended up disjointed. Because he was begging for forgiveness I let his broken finger go instead of ramming it up his butt, like I told him I was about to do...connected to his hand or not.

    But I've mellowed out in recent years and now I simply give them the thumbs up and yell at them, "Hey you dropped your wallet back there" and make them all confused for a moment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by craigwatanabe View Post
    Sounds like a case for Road Rage Now if they're "throwing the finger" at you at least you stopped them from texting. At that point I would get out of my car and proceed to beat the living crap outta them. Last time someone pointed his finger at my face, that finger ended up disjointed. Because he was begging for forgiveness I let his broken finger go instead of ramming it up his butt, like I told him I was about to do...connected to his hand or not.

    But I've mellowed out in recent years and now I simply give them the thumbs up and yell at them, "Hey you dropped your wallet back there" and make them all confused for a moment.
    Ohh, I never thought of that comeback! That's a good one! I just yelled, "Jesus loves you! Have a blessed day!" It kind of takes the wind of someone's sails when you won't fight back. I've actually never been in a fistfight. I've always kind of wondered how I'd do.

    Can't think of anything creative this time


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    Quote Originally Posted by surlygirly View Post
    [...]It kind of takes the wind of someone's sails when you won't fight back.[...]
    Bingo! It's called "taking the high road".

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    Quote Originally Posted by craigwatanabe View Post
    By law if the slow driver is going the posted speed limit, they can stay in that fast lane.
    Perhaps they changed the law again. I did a quick search and couldn't find it, but it used to be that if you were in the left lane, and someone was behind you wanting to pass (i.e. they approached your rear and slowed) it was incumbent upon you to move to the right lane when and it it was safe, even if you were doing the speed limit. 5mph under the limit you are required to move over.
    Maybe I can see if I can find the reference again, or perhaps it was changed.
    I remember a TV newswoman who televised cars trying to pass her, beeping horns, etc.,when she stayed in the left lane AT the speed limit, and I had found the statute which covered that you must move right even if the driver behind you was speeding. I thought it was posted here on HT, but I can't find that, either!
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    I think one of the most frustrating Hawaii Driving Pet Peeves I have been having to deal with since I've been here is this: I'm heading towards the Windward Side on H-3. I have the bad misfortune of not being in the high speed lane at the wrong time and end up getting caught behind a loaded cement truck or some other heavyweight freighter lumbering its way to the tunnels. There are times when it's nearly impossible to pass such a truck, as often there are unbroken chains of traffic, seemingly two miles long, just flying by me and the slow moving truck, at 65+MPH, while due to the heavy grade of the Koolaus, the truck can bearly break 35 MPH. There are times I've had to just grin and bear it, and follow the truck until it reaches the tunnels, where it then begins its decent toward Kaneohe, which at that time, I can finally pass and exceed..oops..I mean resume the maximum speed limit.

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    Default The Chip And Dale syndrome

    Then there's the flip side.
    Drivers being TOO nice to one another, thus everybody sits and waits and waits for The Courtesy Twins to figure out who's going to go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Whitfield View Post
    Then there's the flip side.
    Drivers being TOO nice to one another, thus everybody sits and waits and waits for The Courtesy Twins to figure out who's going to go.
    Then they wave in the rear view mirror......

    It drives me nuts when people cannot turn into the immediate lane but have to go to the farther lane what the heck? Just turn into the lane and then move over. Also IDIOTS running the red light BLATANTLY at the Haiku Rd./Kahekili intersection happens constantly someday someone will be killed who is going on the green.

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    1. Drivers turning left to Beretania from Piikoi on the red light.
    2. Pedestrians who try to beat the countdown timer when it says 5 seconds or less.
    3. Drivers who cut into your lane in front of you at the last minute.
    4. Drivers who make illegal turns at intersections from the lanes that do not allow turns!
    5. Tailgating drivers who follow you too closely.
    6. Drivers who make illegal left turns from/to Ala Moana Center to Kapiolani Blvd. when the sign says NO LEFT TURN at Keeamoku St exit/entry.
    7. Drivers who take up 2 parking spaces with one vehicle.
    8. Taxi drivers who block entry ways to driveways while waiting for a fare.
    9. Racing on the freeway or any other road.
    10. Potholes
    11. Left turn signal lights that do not give drivers enough time to legally turn left.
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    Quote Originally Posted by leashlaws View Post
    Then they wave in the rear view mirror......

    It drives me nuts when people cannot turn into the immediate lane but have to go to the farther lane what the heck? Just turn into the lane and then move over. Also IDIOTS running the red light BLATANTLY at the Haiku Rd./Kahekili intersection happens constantly someday someone will be killed who is going on the green.
    I recall being in that merge zone and the HS kid I was pooling said,
    "I hate it when people wait to get over until the last minute!"

    I calmly explained the physics of not filling the merge lane, and how it impeded traffic flow (more cars backed up) and allowed 'rogue' drivers to cut in front of everyone else, further slowing traffic for others. He had a light bulb blink on over his head....

    In a merge situation: fill up both lanes and take turns merging at the end of the merge lane. Faster, better, smarter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by craigwatanabe View Post
    By law if the slow driver is going the posted speed limit, they can stay in that fast lane. Also if the speed limit is 55 and the minimum posted speed limit is 40-mph, you cannot pass that motorist as they are going the slowest but still posted speed limit and if you do intend on passing a motorist, you cannot exceed the posted speed limit. Basically passing is only allowed when a motorist is driving less than the minimum posted speed limit. If a motorist is going 30 in a 55 you can safely pass at 55, no need to accelerate beyond the speed limits here.
    According to the Manual on Uniform Traffic Control Devices, white signs with black letters are called regulatory signs. Those are signs of obeyance. Two signs have the same shape and color: the Speed Limit sign, and the Slower Traffic Keep Right sign.

    Even though the "speeder" is breaking the law by going faster than 55mph, the "slow fast-lane driver" is illegally impeding traffic by not staying in the right lane, regardless of his driving the speed limit or not.

    This is the "spirit" of the law and not the "letter" of the law. Otherwise HPD would pull over everyone going 56mph, or 39mph, or anyone not driving fast enough in the left lane.

    The term "safe speed" is that in which the flow of traffic will safely maintain. It is determined by number of cars, weather, construction, etc. A speed limit is determined by traffic engineers to maximize travel efficiency. The state can determine any other limits it chooses. I guarantee you a safe and efficient speed for H-1 between Exit 1 and Exit 5 is probably 65mph due to the fact it is a seldom-congested, three-lane straightaway, but the Hawaii maximum speed by law is 60.

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    Quote Originally Posted by surlygirly View Post
    Ohh, I have a few!

    1. When it's obvious one of the lanes is going to end and a bunch of a-holes get out of line and get in the ending lane just to cut back in front of you. HATE!!!! I deal with this by blocking the ending lane with my car when I know the person coming up is a cutter and not letting them in.

    2. People on the freeways yielding to people entering the freeways. And oncoming people expecting to be yielded to. Guess it's not so dangerous when...
    1) As far as the "getting out and getting back in" part, yeah, that's pretty lame, considering they're only going to get 2 or 3 cars ahead and still sit in the same traffic.

    BUT, if it's a 3 lane road that dies down to a 2 lane road, the safest and most efficient means of travel is for the car to merge when his lane ends. If more traffic is involved and it is at a slower pace, it is safer and efficient to use the zipper-method to merge traffic. A guide on safe driving (which identifies pet peeves that are actually safe) takes note of the fact that those who merge early not only create the line that backs up the lane to go slower, but actually makes them lose a few car lengths by those who do merge at "the last minute."

    2) The concept of "right of way" is lost on many people here. If you're on a freeway, you ARE the right of way. The acceleration lane (aka on ramp) is meant for that car to gain sufficient speed to properly merge into traffic (via a zipper-method), but yield to freeway traffic if they are not going the proper speed. Granted, some of these on ramps are designed so poorly (a STOP sign 50 feet from traffic merging?!) that freeway drivers in the right lane may have no choice but to divert or slow down for a car that hasn't sufficiently accelerated.

    Of course, there are the wonders of Hawaii traffic engineering that involve the double-lane merge of freeways, where the slow lane of one merges with the fast lane of the other. There really is no right of way there when the slow lane inherits a "fast" car to his right. (Freeway FAIL)

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    Quote Originally Posted by bjd392 View Post
    According to the Manual on Uniform Traffic Control Devices, white signs with black letters are called regulatory signs. Those are signs of obeyance. Two signs have the same shape and color: the Speed Limit sign, and the Slower Traffic Keep Right sign.

    Even though the "speeder" is breaking the law by going faster than 55mph, the "slow fast-lane driver" is illegally impeding traffic by not staying in the right lane, regardless of his driving the speed limit or not.

    This is the "spirit" of the law and not the "letter" of the law. Otherwise HPD would pull over everyone going 56mph, or 39mph, or anyone not driving fast enough in the left lane.

    The term "safe speed" is that in which the flow of traffic will safely maintain. It is determined by number of cars, weather, construction, etc. A speed limit is determined by traffic engineers to maximize travel efficiency. The state can determine any other limits it chooses. I guarantee you a safe and efficient speed for H-1 between Exit 1 and Exit 5 is probably 65mph due to the fact it is a seldom-congested, three-lane straightaway, but the Hawaii maximum speed by law is 60.

    and...

    1) As far as the "getting out and getting back in" part, yeah, that's pretty lame, considering they're only going to get 2 or 3 cars ahead and still sit in the same traffic.

    BUT, if it's a 3 lane road that dies down to a 2 lane road, the safest and most efficient means of travel is for the car to merge when his lane ends. If more traffic is involved and it is at a slower pace, it is safer and efficient to use the zipper-method to merge traffic. A guide on safe driving (which identifies pet peeves that are actually safe) takes note of the fact that those who merge early not only create the line that backs up the lane to go slower, but actually makes them lose a few car lengths by those who do merge at "the last minute."

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    The idiotic thing that I see drivers do, time and time again:

    Whenever a traffic light totally goes out at an intersection and there's no police officer there to direct traffic, I see people not treating it as a 4 way stop intersection, like they are supposed to. For some reason, motorists driving on the road with the faster speed limit seem to think they have the right of way and will not even slow down!!! This is very hazardous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frankie's Market View Post
    The idiotic thing that I see drivers do, time and time again:

    Whenever a traffic light totally goes out at an intersection and there's no police officer there to direct traffic, I see people not treating it as a 4 way stop intersection, like they are supposed to. For some reason, motorists driving on the road with the faster speed limit seem to think they have the right of way and will not even slow down!!! This is very hazardous.
    Yow!
    I'd call it suicidal!

    I don't ever see that; maybe it's the mellower Windward side?

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    Probably the most common dangerous lawbreaking inconsideration - not using at all or turning on the turn signal at the last moment as the wheel is being turned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bjd392 View Post
    According to the Manual on Uniform Traffic Control Devices, white signs with black letters are called regulatory signs. Those are signs of obeyance. Two signs have the same shape and color: the Speed Limit sign, and the Slower Traffic Keep Right sign.

    Even though the "speeder" is breaking the law by going faster than 55mph, the "slow fast-lane driver" is illegally impeding traffic by not staying in the right lane, regardless of his driving the speed limit or not.

    This is the "spirit" of the law and not the "letter" of the law. Otherwise HPD would pull over everyone going 56mph, or 39mph, or anyone not driving fast enough in the left lane.

    The term "safe speed" is that in which the flow of traffic will safely maintain. It is determined by number of cars, weather, construction, etc. A speed limit is determined by traffic engineers to maximize travel efficiency. The state can determine any other limits it chooses. I guarantee you a safe and efficient speed for H-1 between Exit 1 and Exit 5 is probably 65mph due to the fact it is a seldom-congested, three-lane straightaway, but the Hawaii maximum speed by law is 60.
    The posted speed limit is just that POSTED and the LIMIT. If a driver is driving less than the posted speed limit he can be ticketed. Now if that driver is driving 40 (minimum posted speed limit) then he should be in the right lane. But if he is going 55 (posted maximum speed limit) and people are bent on driving faster. He is in no obligation to move over since the law specifically states that that speed is the maximum speed for which a driver is allowed to drive. Anything higher is illegal. Technically no one should be catching up to a driver going 55-mph. NO ONE except emergency vehicles.

    If you take your arguement to court saying the flow of traffic was 65 in a 55 and the cop had ticketed you for going 55 in the fast lane, that ticket would be thrown out based simply on its merit and the cop's hands slapped for issuing it in the first place.

    BTW, you can be pulled over for speeding at 56MPH in a 55. It comes down to the cop's discretion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bjd392 View Post
    1) As far as the "getting out and getting back in" part, yeah, that's pretty lame, considering they're only going to get 2 or 3 cars ahead and still sit in the same traffic.

    BUT, if it's a 3 lane road that dies down to a 2 lane road, the safest and most efficient means of travel is for the car to merge when his lane ends. If more traffic is involved and it is at a slower pace, it is safer and efficient to use the zipper-method to merge traffic. A guide on safe driving (which identifies pet peeves that are actually safe) takes note of the fact that those who merge early not only create the line that backs up the lane to go slower, but actually makes them lose a few car lengths by those who do merge at "the last minute."
    Oh, I totally understand people waiting to merge if they're doing it properly. It's the cutters I hate. Especially when it's two lanes going down to one. Especially when it's on that stretch of Fort Barrette just after you turn right onto Roosevelt Ave/Geiger during afternoon rush hour near the water treatment plant.

    OR when there's a line of cars waiting to exit and someone goes up to the front of the line and just butts in. I won't let them in and it pisses people off, but your car isn't a bubble. Would you do that if you were in person? Most people wouldn't, and if they did, I'd say something (politely of course). So don't do it in a car, jerk.

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