View Poll Results: Can Beretania Times survive against a new Safeway next door?

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  • Yes. They can hold their own.

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  • Yes. But Times may have to downsize and layoff employees.

    3 21.43%
  • No. They should close down and cut their losses.

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    KITV is reporting that Safeway plans to open a new store on the site of the old Schuman Carriage auto dealership. Compared to the present store on Beretania/Pensacola, the new store will be bigger and with twice the number of parking stalls. Needless to say, the present location will be shut down and sold when the new store opens next year. (The Schuman auto showroom will be demolished to make room for the new structure.)

    The new location is right next door to Times. Does anyone think Times can compete with a new state-of-the-art Safeway store operating just a stone's throw away?

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    This is not directly on topic, but I remember that the Beretania Safeway was the chain's very first store in Hawaii, and their big opening week promotion was to bring in container-sized shipments of fresh strawberries. I remember seeing people loading up (overloading, actually) on what was a novel treat in those days.

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    Beretania kinda reminds me of the garment district for supermarkets. It used to start out with Star. Then a mile or so later is Foodland following in a few short blocks by Times and ending a few more short blocks with Safeway.

    Safeway Beretania has been my primary town store for years followed closely by Foodland. None of 'em can touch Tamura's in Waianae however! I'll certainly look forward to a new and improved Safeway and it'll be interesting to see if Times can continue to hold on like they have in the current row of supermarkets. I hope so. I don't want to see anyone laid off.

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    I think this might be a good thing for consumers. Both Safeway and Times have to step up their customer service and offerings, and that's good news for the rest of us. I never shop one supermarket exclusively. Whichever one has the best offer, that's where I'll go. This scenario should also includes Foodland, just a couple of blocks down the street.

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    I don’t think a bigger, shiny new Safeway® will force Times™ to shut down their “heart of Honolulu” location. But they will be significantly affected. I expect they’ll have to radically shift their product line — perhaps expand the beer/wine/liquor section? I know Safeway usually has the most expensive prices on alcoholic beverages around.

    Then again, I would be quite happy if they did shut down Beretania, and re-opened Times™ in the current Longs Mō‘ili‘ili location. CVS® is moving that Longs™ to the now-defunct Star Market™ site on King & University, and the owner of the current Longs™ site has not announced plans (at least publicly) as to what the drug store will be replaced with. As it is now, the area is woefully under-served, unless you’re willing (and able) to pay a premium for organic food.

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    Will this Safeway be as big as the one on Kapahulu? That store is Costco size.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walkoff Balk View Post
    Will this Safeway be as big as the one on Kapahulu?
    The Kapahulu Safeway encompasses 60,000 square feet. The new Beretania store is estimated to be built at the same size.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TuNnL View Post
    [...]Then again, I would be quite happy if they did shut down Beretania, and re-opened Times™ in the current Longs Mō‘ili‘ili location.[...]
    Just curious...does that location have enough square footage for a supermarket?

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    Lightbulb Re: Safeway vs Times

    Quote Originally Posted by tutusue View Post
    Just curious...does that location have enough square footage for a supermarket?
    To my knowledge, it is one of the biggest (if not the biggest) Longs® on the island. It’s about a dozen car-lengths wide (not including the ground-level parking), and occupies the entire block between King and Young street. It also has covered parking and roof-top parking, making it one of the biggest parking lots in Mō‘ili‘ili (more than twice the size of the defunct-Star Market lot), and apparently does enough business to stay open 24 hours a day.

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    Erika Engle turned in a story for Star Bulletin readers. One thing that has me scratching my head.

    It also would be next to the competing, locally established Times Super Market, according to a televised report.
    Uhhhh, did it take a TV news report for Erika to realize that a new Safeway store on the Schuman Carriage site would make it a next door competitor to Times? I would have thought that years of living on this island with at least occasional drives on Beretania St. would have told anyone that.

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    The high ceiling makes the store feel like an arena. Will birds still get into the store when the front door opens? Do the birds fly out by themselves and lay droppings when they become scared?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walkoff Balk View Post
    The high ceiling makes the store feel like an arena. Will birds still get into the store when the front door opens? Do the birds fly out by themselves and lay droppings when they become scared?
    EVERY SAFEWay I have been in has pet sparrows. Just be glad they are not Mynahs!

    Compete? In my mind they cooperate! Times has the overall best prices on Deli-Cat; Safeway has a better selection overall.
    Liquour? (Not that I ever touch anything but Guinness on tap). Safeway has a wider selection and better prices on Turning Leaf wines, Times has better sales on Beringer and Sutter Home (though Longs/CVS is often better by a few cents).

    Bottom line? I get some things at Safeway and other things at Times. I like to buy local, and Times gives me more opportunity. I also like some things Safeway has other places don't. I NEVER shop Foodland; they have nothing to offer me but high prices.

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    Default Re: Safeway vs Times

    When I have extra time on my hands I like the challenge of comparing grocery prices in the circulars within MidWeek. I check Safeway, Foodland and Times circulars for the products I need. One supermarket does not win out consistently. If my grocery list is long enough I'll break it up among the 3 stores, according to sale prices, head for Beretania St., then shop 'til I drop! I have to really be in the mood to do that!

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    It's in neither supermarket's interests to both be open for business in such close proximity.

    Here's a win-win scenario I would suggest:

    1) Safeway goes ahead and opens a 60,000 sq. ft. store at the Schuman site.

    2) Times should move to another location. Maybe to the space at Beretania/Pensacola that Safeway is vacating? (A little real estate musical chairs.)

    3) The current Times location be converted into either a Long's or Walgreen's.

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    Times have certainly changed (no pun this time either). There's no aloha in this State anymore. This is the same kind of predatory practice seen when Aloha Airlines was destroyed by Go! I don't fly with Go! because of this. This kind of thing should not be accepted by Hawaii people. Leave this crap on the mainland where it came from, fer cryin out loud!

    I used to really like Safeway in the past, because they had a good priced fruit and vegetable selection. Now, it seems the tide has turned, and that Times has better prices. Safeway produce now is rather expensive. I find myself shopping at Times more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frankie's Market View Post
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    3) The current Times location be converted into either a Long's or Walgreen's.
    Noooooooo!!! Both are already close by. Bring on...
    TRADER JOE'S
    Hmmm...that might shut down the other 3!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tutusue View Post
    Noooooooo!!! Both are already close by. Bring on...
    TRADER JOE'S
    Hmmm...that might shut down the other 3!
    I've got no argument with you there. But until Trader Joe's makes a move here,.....

    It's pretty much established that supermarket and drug stores complement each other when it comes to attracting customer traffic. And I'm not aware of any major drug store that I would describe as being "close by" that area. Particularly Walgreens. The closest ones would be the one at the former Tower Records location at Keeaumoku and on School Street at the old Kam Bowl site. That's a pretty big gap. What better way for Walgreens to fill that gap than by opening a store right next to a brand spanking new Safeway? And there's already an American Savings Bank right there. That spot is literally tailor made for either drug store chain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobinator View Post
    Leave this crap on the mainland where it came from, fer cryin out loud!
    Quote Originally Posted by Bobinator View Post
    I used to really like Safeway in the past...
    Which way do you want it, Bob? The way you used to like it, or not in Hawai`i from the mainland at all? (You sound like a certain - now banned - poster from HT's past, who berated anything mainland-based, while still patronizing 'em.)

    Quote Originally Posted by tutusue View Post
    Noooooooo!!! Both are already close by. Bring on...
    TRADER JOE'S
    Sorry, I keep telling you folks, you can't have TJ's. They are our best source for omiyage to bring to you when we are there. TJ's corp hq keeps saying they have no plans to expand to Hawai`i.

    I'll let you know when we are next on O`ahu, and you can place your order with us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frankie's Market View Post
    I've got no argument with you there. But until Trader Joe's makes a move here,.....

    It's pretty much established that supermarket and drug stores complement each other when it comes to attracting customer traffic. And I'm not aware of any major drug store that I would describe as being "close by" that area. Particularly Walgreens. The closest ones would be the one at the former Tower Records location at Keeaumoku[...]
    I understand what you mean. I guess the distance between the old Shuman property on Beretania and Walgreen's on Keeaumoku and Long's on King (eventually King & Beretania) is still minimal by my old California standards! Heck, it's even minimal by my Makaha standards! But it isn't the immediate 'hood.
    Quote Originally Posted by Leo Lakio View Post
    [...]
    Sorry, I keep telling you folks, you can't have TJ's. They are our best source for omiyage to bring to you when we are there. TJ's corp hq keeps saying they have no plans to expand to Hawai`i.

    I'll let you know when we are next on O`ahu, and you can place your order with us.
    Yep! I heard that TJs isn't interested in Hawaii because they don't want to raise their prices, which they'd have to do to compensate for shipping. Well...hot damn...so does every store and shop who doesn't specialize in merchandise made solely on Oahu! I wouldn't mind 4 or 5 buck Chuck. It's still a deal here.

    Thx for the offer of a TJ fix, LL. Fortunately, between my daughter's 4-5 visits a year and my bros 1 visit per year, my cupboards are overflowing. Just got my supply of Chili Spiced Mango and CS Pineapple. Mmmmmm...

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    yummm, chili spiced mango............my mouth just started watering
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frankie's Market View Post
    Particularly Walgreens. The closest ones would be the one at the former Tower Records location at Keeaumoku and on School Street at the old Kam Bowl site. That's a pretty big gap. What better way for Walgreens to fill that gap than by opening a store right next to a brand spanking new Safeway? And there's already an American Savings Bank right there. That spot is literally tailor made for either drug store chain.
    I thought Walgreens plans on taking over the Nuuanu Shopping Plaza for their next store to fill that gap?

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    Weren't Times workers striking and boycotting just last year? What happened, did that get resolved?
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    Did Safeway cashiers stop asking customers for donations at the checkout? Did that policy make customers feel uncomfortable saying no?

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    eh why do you guys care? just curious?

    both are mainland owned supermarkets. both have lots of local folks working in them.

    other than price, selection, customer service, do you really care which mainland company you give your money to?

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    Lightbulb Re: Safeway vs Times

    Quote Originally Posted by 808shooter View Post
    eh why do you guys care? just curious? both are mainland owned supermarkets. both have lots of local folks working in them. other than price, selection, customer service, do you really care which mainland company you give your money to?
    Actually, this is a trick question. Price, selection, and customer service actually vary wildly just between Safeway and Times alone! Safeway’s liquor prices are pretty steep, particularly for beer. Wines and spirits are generally only affordable if you buy in bulk. I don’t know if Safeway has beaten Longs Drugs®, for example, on a liquor product within the last decade.

    Then we have selection. Neither Times nor Safeway carry local milk. We’ve been conditioned to buy Meadow Gold because at one time, they supplied local milk. What most people don't realize is that Viva/Meadow Gold is now 100% mainland product, and has been for two years.

    Foodland and Sack&Save, on the other hand, do carry local milk. Big Island fresh, to be exact. Hallelujah! Milk is expensive, and the last thing I want is something that’s going to spoil three days after I bought it. So yeah, short answer: I care.

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