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    Default Another bus fare hike coming

    That's the word from a bus driver anyway.
    And yet the company/City officials still refuse to mention the $10 monthly voucher discounts for those hurting, which will be many more with this increase.

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    Default Re: Another bus fare hike coming

    WOW & I Thought What I am paying on my end was baaaad. Here is currently $.25 less one way paying by cash but the monthly passes exceeds $50 asking price.

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    Ron - did the driver tell you how much the hike would be? usually something like that gets talked about way beforehand - haven't heard a thing from my own bus driver friends.
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    How does Hawaii's bus fares compare to those around the nation? I know where I grew up, the fares depended on where you were. So if you were in Zone 3 you could pay $3 per trip (plus 50 cents for a transfer), or $100 a month for a pass. Ah, I just checked the website, it's gone up since I moved. Used to be $1 in Zone 1, now it's $1.75, and $70 for monthly passes.

    In any case, I'm incredibly grateful for the UH bus pass included in my tuition.

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    FYI San Jose's Valley Transit Authority has below prices for buses / light rail:

    Single Ride (regular & limited stop buses, light rail)
    Adult: $2.00; Youth (5-17 years): $1.75; Sr/Disabled/Medicare: $1.00

    Day Pass
    Adult: $6; Youth (5-17 years): $5; Sr/Disabled/Medicare: $2.50

    Monthly Flash Pass and Sticker
    Adult Flash Pass - $70.00; Youth Flash Pass (ages 5 through 17) - $45.00; Sr/Disabled/Medicare Monthly Sticker - $25.00

    Seniors are 65+.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anapuni808 View Post
    Ron - did the driver tell you how much the hike would be? usually something like that gets talked about way beforehand - haven't heard a thing from my own bus driver friends.
    No she didn't, and she may not have known anyway, or could have been talking out her da kine as the statement came from my questioning her about what she said to her friend as I boarded after loading my bike on "...pay for putting the bike on". She has a bit of a mean streak, so she may have felt we bikers should pay extra(?!). She said that wasn't happening but there was a fare increase coming.
    So who knows...

    We pay enuf already. Austin has free service last I heard.

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    Ron, you started a thread using the premise that a bus fare hike was coming - with nothing to back it up. You made an "announcement" about a fare hike. If I recall correctly, this is not the first time you have done something like this. Wouldn't it have been better to ask the question "has anyone else heard of a fare hike?" and then go on to talk about what you heard from your bus driver? I'm sure I'm not the only other bus rider who got concerned about this coming up and started worrying about additional expenses.

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    As tho anyone here would be in the know, AND willing to confirm?

    I got a tip that I felt should be shared so those that it matters to can be prepared. If it doesn't pan out, we all win, ...until it does.
    And I did qualify my thread with the fact it was a rumor via a driver at the very start.
    If you had heard of even the possibility of it, I'd have appreciated your saying so, even tho I'm not affected by any hike at present.
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    The drums are getting louder, look for a fare increase soon. $2.50 per ride and $60 a month/pass.

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    That's still not bad...
    About two bucks a day, for as many rides, to anywhere on island. using the pass.
    Or five bucks for a single round trip.

    Then considering how well (not perfect) the buses run here... priceless!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Menehune Man View Post
    That's still not bad...
    About two bucks a day, for as many rides, to anywhere on island. using the pass.
    Or five bucks for a single round trip.
    Pumping the fare box @ $2+ a pop will lead to empty pockets before noon if you have any standard type running around to do, I found that out the hard way once, real quick! Qualifying for a disabilities yearly pass has it's downsides, but the wallet is very thankful.

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    Okay Ron...
    First: Don't forget asking for transfers. They are very useful.
    Second: Do you believe it's cheaper in any other comparable city?
    I know it wasn't in San Fran years ago when I was there. It was like $2 then!

    It costs money to get around any way, unless you're willing to bicycle it.
    My wife is purely a bus rider and I use them a lot while with Mom.

    I just don't think the increase is really out of place.
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    Ron try pumping the gas at almost twice the cost of a bus ride per gallon add to that the cost of car insurance, registration, safety check, parking and annual maintenance pro-rated on a daily basis and suddenly $2+ per pop is a decent bargain. Even at $60 a month, that's still better than the cost to fill up a tank of gas even on a Prius!

    But yeah I can understand the cost of bus fare. I still got a few HRT Bus tokens when a ride was only 10-cents.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Menehune Man View Post
    Okay Ron...
    First: Don't forget asking for transfers. They are very useful.
    Second: Do you believe it's cheaper in any other comparable city?
    I know it wasn't in San Fran years ago when I was there. It was like $2 then!
    It costs money to get around any way, unless you're willing to bicycle it.
    My wife is purely a bus rider and I use them a lot while with Mom.
    I just don't think the increase is really out of place.
    My never-again pay-as-you-go experience was certainly involving transfers.
    I dunno, I don't live anywhere else, and no I'm not moving. But I do know Austin runs their comparatively sized city bus service for free.
    I do bike/bus it, and am not saying an increase is out of line. But like anapuni, it's gonna crunch somebodys. And it would be 'nice' if The Bus/City would notify the riding public of the monthly $10 discount vouchers availability, which they said they would many years ago but still have not.

    Quote Originally Posted by craigwatanabe View Post
    Ron try pumping the gas at almost twice the cost of a bus ride per gallon add to that the cost of car insurance, registration, safety check, parking and annual maintenance pro-rated on a daily basis and suddenly $2+ per pop is a decent bargain. Even at $60 a month, that's still better than the cost to fill up a tank of gas even on a Prius!
    But yeah I can understand the cost of bus fare. I still got a few HRT Bus tokens when a ride was only 10-cents.
    Of course it beats the insane costs situation dedicated car drivers face. I wouldn't own a car if given one, again. Those that ride The Bus don't do it for the love of it, it's needed, and those that are just scrimping by will be even more scrimpified with a $10 increase. They call it progress. Next stop, please!

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    yep riding the bus ain't no joy ride. I stopped saving the Earth after I got sick riding the bus to work when a monthly bus pass was $30.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Whitfield View Post
    But I do know Austin runs their comparatively sized city bus service for free.
    Austin's service isn't free:
    Capital MetroBus - $1.00
    UT Shuttles - $1.00
    Capital MetroExpress - $2.50
    Capital MetroRail 1-Zone - $2.00
    Capital MetroRail All Zones - $3.00

    Here in Seattle, it's also based on zones and times of day:
    Metro Adult (age 19-64) Two-zone Peak: $2.75
    Metro Adult (age 19-64) One-zone Peak: $2.25
    Metro Adult One- and Two-zone (age 19-64) Off-peak: $2

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    The Hele On bus here on the Big Island is still free (so far), but the service is nowhere near what TheBus is like. It's more for rural folk trying to get into town. No town stops except at the depots.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leo Lakio View Post
    Austin's service isn't free
    Thanx for the tip. Did you happen to notice when they started the charge?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Whitfield View Post
    Thanx for the tip. Did you happen to notice when they started the charge?
    No, but I think it's been a few years, because it's been hiked once or twice in the 2000's. When Capital Metro first started, though (in 1985), it was funded through a voter-approved 1% sales tax, rather than fares.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Whitfield View Post
    But I do know Austin runs their comparatively sized city bus service for free.
    Quote Originally Posted by craigwatanabe View Post
    The Hele On bus here on the Big Island is still free (so far), but the service is nowhere near what TheBus is like..
    There's no such thing as free bus service. There's public transportation systems out there that offer "zero-fare" to some or all passengers. But who's kidding who here??? It ain't free. The fuel, maintenance, and operator salaries have to be for by somebody, right? In the case of the Hele-On bus, the funding came through congressional earmarks obtained by Senator Inouye. Other systems get their funding through local/state taxes.
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    Bus fares are scheduled to increase again on July 1. The City Council passed a two-year rate plan with last year's budget. Single cash fare will go from $2.25 to $2.50 and monthly bus passes from $50 to $60.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frankie's Market View Post
    There's no such thing as free bus service. There's public transportation systems out there that offer "zero-fare" to some or all passengers. But who's kidding who here??? It ain't free. The fuel, maintenance, and operator salaries have to be for by somebody, right? In the case of the Hele-On bus, the funding came through congressional earmarks obtained by Senator Inouye. Other systems get their funding through local/state taxes.
    Come on FM we're talking Bus Fares here!!! AND ONLY BUS FARES!

    The Hele On Bus Fare is FREE as in FARRRREEEEEE!
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    I think he is trying to say that it is free for passengers, but it's not a free service as there are costs involved in order to provide the rides to passengers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anapuni808 View Post
    I think he is trying to say that it is free for passengers, but it's not a free service as there are costs involved in order to provide the rides to passengers.
    I know that...nothing in life is really free, BUT we're talking bus fares, not some subsidy support by taxpayers. If we wanted to expand this discussion to taxes well I suggest we invite Bobinator and Mel to chime in on tax increases and how the government needs to reduce it's footprint in our lives.

    But this is about end users and some of them aren't taxpayers so for them the net effect is that it is in fact very much free.
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    Quote Originally Posted by craigwatanabe View Post
    Come on FM we're talking Bus Fares here!!! AND ONLY BUS FARES!
    Fine. You can just focus your thoughts on "ONLY BUS FARES." But I'll choose to be cognizant of the simple truth that all public bus systems have costs that need to be paid for with funding/revenue sources, whether it be through taxes and/or bus fares.

    Why do you think city and school bus fare increases are levied? Just as a way for the folks in charge to be "darn mean" to people? GMAB. Fuel prices have been on the rise. The increased costs of keeping the buses running need to be paid for, someway and somehow. That reality doesn't miraculously disappear by shutting your eyes, tapping the heels of your shoes, and intoning, "Where's my free lunch? Where's my free lunch?"

    Quote Originally Posted by craigwatanabe View Post
    I know that...nothing in life is really free, BUT we're talking bus fares, not some subsidy support by taxpayers. If we wanted to expand this discussion to taxes well I suggest we invite Bobinator and Mel to chime in on tax increases and how the government needs to reduce it's footprint in our lives.

    But this is about end users and some of them aren't taxpayers so for them the net effect is that it is in fact very much free.
    Wow. That's a rather cavalier attitude to have about the funding of a zero-fare bus system. It's definitely not something I would expect from a Republican. John McCain has made his mark by crusading against congressional earmarks, like the one that is being used to allow the Hele-On bus system to operate on a zero fare basis. Sarah Palin got on the same page with the McCain team during the '08 Presidential campaign when she kept talking about how she said "Thanks, but no thanks" to the federal funding that was going to be used for Alaska's "Bridge to Nowhere." It's the fiscal-conservatives who normally are vigilant about how taxpayer money is being spent.

    But here, you profess to only focus on the bus passengers who enjoy zero-fare bus service, while glossing over the folks who, in fact, do have to shoulder the associated costs.

    You may call yourself a Republican or anything else you want, Craig. But a fiscal conservative? You sure don't sound like one.
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