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Originally posted by matapule View PostWhat would you have her do?
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Originally posted by Kalalau View PostProp 14 passed, it means the top two finishers in the primary are the candidates in the general election regardless of party, meaning in combination with the Republican supreme ct's corporate personhood decision that the two richest Republicans will be the candidates from here on out, its not a government by for and of the people any more but just like France or Russia before their revolutions, a government of by and for the wealthy privileged elite. And the people voted for this. Alas. Glad I won't be around when the kukae is hitting the peahi!
Let's say that in a general election, the top two finishers in a gubernatorial primary happen to be Republicans. In a general election run-off, the winning candidate not only has to reinforce his/her support with the GOP base, but they also have to reach out to all the Democrats and independents who will be voting in November. The idea here is that Prop 14 will have a moderating effect on whoever hopes to be the ultimate winner, whether the victor is Republican or Democrat. If anything, this would reduce the power and the influence of the two major political parties, as candidates realize that in order to win, they can't just be catering to the party base and its platform. (And for folks like me who consider themselves political independents, that's not necessarily a bad thing.)
At least, that's the theory behind Prop 14. We'll have to see how it all actually works out.This post may contain an opinion that may conflict with your opinion. Do not take it personal. Polite discussion of difference of opinion is welcome.
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A slap of reality to all the Tea Party boosters: One of your candidates may very well cost the GOP party whatever chance it had of gaining a majority in the senate.
Per the very astute folks at the Cook Political Report:
Delaware Senate: O’Donnell Win Puts Race in Likely Democratic
September 15, 2010
Marketing consultant Christine O’Donnell’s upset of Rep. Mike Castle in last night’s Republican primary puts this open seat, which should have been an easy pick up for the GOP, out of their reach. While the primary provided Democrats with enough fodder to bury O’Donnell, from her personal finances to dubious claims she made in a lawsuit against a former employer, the reality is that Delaware is a Democratic-leaning state where Democrats have a 17-point advantage over Republicans in voter registration. Democrats also have a strong candidate in New Castle County Executive Chris Coons, who saw his fortunes turn 180 degrees over the course of a few hours last night.
National Republicans harbor no delusions that they can make O’Donnell a viable candidate, issuing a terse one-sentence statement from National Republican Senatorial Committee Executive Director Rob Jesmer congratulating O’Donnell on her win. It is clear that the NRSC has no intention of playing in Delaware and will put their resources into more winnable races. With Delaware off the board for the GOP, the possibility that they can net the 10 seats needed to win the majority becomes significantly harder. While it is still mathematically possible, winning Delaware was an important part of the equation.
If you ask me, the link between the national GOP and the Tea Party movement is like a dysfunctional marriage. One one hand, the movement has really energized the turnout of the hardcore conservative voting base after the demoralizing losses of '08. But the problems of this union becomes readily apparent when the Tea Party movement puts forward candidates who have no chance of winning general elections in moderate states.
Clearly, the Republicans have shot themselves in the foot with the Tea Party candidate winning the Delaware primary. Only now are some of these folks coming to grips with what I was talking about four months ago.Last edited by Frankie's Market; September 16, 2010, 05:18 PM.This post may contain an opinion that may conflict with your opinion. Do not take it personal. Polite discussion of difference of opinion is welcome.
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Originally posted by Frankie's Market View PostSo while it still appears likely that the GOP will gain just enough seats to take over the House, Tea Bagger Christine O'Donnell's status as the GOP nominee for Joe Biden's old seat has significantly dampened whatever chance the Republicans had for likewise taking over the Senate. Which means no repeat of 1994.
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Originally posted by Frankie's Market View PostA slap of reality to all the Tea Party boosters: One of your candidates may very well cost the GOP party whatever chance it had of gaining a majority in the senate.
We can’t be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americans.
— U.S. President Bill Clinton
USA TODAY, page 2A
11 March 1993
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Originally posted by TuNnL View PostWhen they (the Tea baggers) have accumulated enough seats, they will disassociate themselves entirely from Republicans. The Tea Party is everything the Libertarian Party wanted and should have been. If we can dismantle the old-boy network, freedom and Constitutional values can be restored and the Republic will hopefully be on its way to shaking itself from the military industrial complex, auditing the fed, and paying off our multi-trillion dollar debt. Only then will we have a government that is truly focused on helping Joe (sixpack) American.
It is one thing to "hope" your wish list happens, and quite another to "make" it happen. The Tea Bag movement will eventually implode from its own ineptitude.Last edited by matapule; September 17, 2010, 03:13 AM.Peace, Love, and Local Grindz
People who form FIRM opinions with so little knowledge only pretend to be open-minded. They select their facts like food from a buffet. David R. Dow
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Originally posted by TuNnL View PostYour post is a clear example that libs are absolutely clueless as to who the tea party is or what they stand for. The GOP is just a vehicle for the tea party. When they have accumulated enough seats, they will disassociate themselves entirely from Republicans.
And it's a plan B that reveals how Tea Baggers are "absolutely clueless" when it comes to history. Breaking off from the GOP to form their own party is to repeat the whole Dixiecrat experience again.
Some people never learn.
Originally posted by TuNnL View PostThe Tea Party is everything the Libertarian Party wanted and should have been. But that’s okay. The most important thing is they are the fastest-growing segment of active voters in the U.S. today. If we can dismantle the old-boy network, freedom and Constitutional values can be restored and the Republic will hopefully be on its way to shaking itself from the military industrial complex, auditing the fed, and paying off our multi-trillion dollar debt.This post may contain an opinion that may conflict with your opinion. Do not take it personal. Polite discussion of difference of opinion is welcome.
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Originally posted by Leo Lakio View PostI'd be curious to hear an opinion on this from the HT'ers who call themselves Libertarian.
The Tea Baggers? I consider then NOT Libertarians, and they are doing nothing to further 'our' platform, which is basically maximizing freedom and minimizing unnecessary restrictions. From what I've learned they have some crazy ideas which have nothing to do with Freedom, and everything to do with persecution. I view them about like I view the KKK.Be Yourself. Everyone Else Is Taken!~ ~KaʻonohiʻulaʻokahōkūmiomioʻehikuSpreading the virus of ALOHA.Oh Chu. If only you could have seen what I've seen, with your eyes.
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Originally posted by matapule View PostThe Tea Bag movement will eventually implode from its own ineptitude.
Originally posted by Frankie's Market View PostBreaking off from the GOP to form their own party is to repeat the whole Dixiecrat experience again.
Originally posted by Kaonohi View PostFrom what I've learned they have some crazy ideas which have nothing to do with Freedom, and everything to do with persecution. I view them about like I view the KKK.
We can’t be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americans.
— U.S. President Bill Clinton
USA TODAY, page 2A
11 March 1993
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when libs start addressing issues and finish with the name calling they very well could be listened to.whenever catch words and phrases are used my eyes glaze over and all credibility goes out the window. i admit i got a kick outta the euphemism the first and second time i heard it. kinda reminds me of junior high.the bigger the government the smaller the citizen.
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from www. teaparty.org
Tea Party Patriots Mission Statement and Core Values
Mission Statement
The impetus for the Tea Party movement is excessive government spending and taxation. Our mission is to attract, educate, organize, and mobilize our fellow citizens to secure public policy consistent with our three core values of Fiscal Responsibility, Constitutionally Limited Government and Free Markets.
Core Values
•Fiscal Responsibility
•Constitutionally Limited Government
•Free Markets
Fiscal Responsibility: Fiscal Responsibility by government honors and respects the freedom of the individual to spend the money that is the fruit of their own labor. A constitutionally limited government, designed to protect the blessings of liberty, must be fiscally responsible or it must subject its citizenry to high levels of taxation that unjustly restrict the liberty our Constitution was designed to protect. Such runaway deficit spending as we now see in Washington D.C. compels us to take action as the increasing national debt is a grave threat to our national sovereignty and the personal and economic liberty of future generations.
Constitutionally Limited Government: We, the members of The Tea Party Patriots, are inspired by our founding documents and regard the Constitution of the United States to be the supreme law of the land. We believe that it is possible to know the original intent of the government our founders set forth, and stand in support of that intent. Like the founders, we support states' rights for those powers not expressly stated in the Constitution. As the government is of the people, by the people and for the people, in all other matters we support the personal liberty of the individual, within the rule of law.
Free Markets: A free market is the economic consequence of personal liberty. The founders believed that personal and economic freedom were indivisible, as do we. Our current government's interference distorts the free market and inhibits the pursuit of individual and economic liberty. Therefore, we support a return to the free market principles on which this nation was founded and oppose government intervention into the operations of private business.
Our Philosophy
Tea Party Patriots, Inc. as an organization believes in the Fiscal Responsibility, Constitutionally Limited Government, and Free Markets. Tea Party Patriots, Inc. is a non-partisan grassroots organization of individuals united by our core values derived from the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution of the United States of America, the Bill Of Rights as explained in the Federalist Papers. We recognize and support the strength of grassroots organization powered by activism and civic responsibility at a local level. We hold that the United States is a republic conceived by its architects as a nation whose people were granted "unalienable rights" by our Creator. Chiefly among these are the rights to "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness." The Tea Party Patriots stand with our founders, as heirs to the republic, to claim our rights and duties which preserve their legacy and our own. We hold, as did the founders, that there exists an inherent benefit to our country when private property and prosperity are secured by natural law and the rights of the individual.
Please outline what you find so dispicable about what they stand for, and what you are afraid of.the bigger the government the smaller the citizen.
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It's nice to easily say, "We stand with our founders," yet the Union is not what it was in 1776, and changes must be adjusted for.
I liked your diatribe on the Tea Party, yet I am not convinced they are a libertarian movement. But, I'm open. I like their core values, I like their stated philosophy. Perhaps trust, or lack of, is what they need to overcome for me. I haven't seen the demonstration thereof.Be Yourself. Everyone Else Is Taken!~ ~KaʻonohiʻulaʻokahōkūmiomioʻehikuSpreading the virus of ALOHA.Oh Chu. If only you could have seen what I've seen, with your eyes.
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Definition of DIATRIBE
1 archaic : a prolonged discourse
2: a bitter and abusive speech or writing
3: ironic or satirical criticism
words mean things....the use of the word diatribe is probably not the best choice unless you are trying to denigrate what someone has to say. its not a good basis for constructive discussion.
i dont see how the word applies.
I too am concerned that the tea party will really be about what they claim to be. they may just end up as the same old politics as usual. it will be important for them to not be beholding to huge donors...but they probably will be.the bigger the government the smaller the citizen.
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