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    From an article at NaturalNews.com-

    Here's a seventh grade word problem for you: If swine flu has infected one million people and killed 500, how many people might be expected to die if it infects 150 million people (assuming no major changes in the virus)? The correct answer, of course, is 75,000 people, and that's within the range of the number of swine flu deaths now being publicly predicted by the White House.

    But there's another part to this word problem: How many vaccine shots and hand washings does it take to boost vitamin D levels in the average person?

    The question, of course, makes no sense. Vaccine shots don't boost vitamin D levels any more than eating pork infects you with swine flu. So why is the official advice on swine flu protection essentially limited to "wash your hands, get your vaccine shot and cough into your elbow?" (Seriously. I'm not making this up.)

    The Associated Press has distilled swine flu advice to "10 things you need to know." None of those ten things include boosting your nutrition, getting more vitamin D or taking anti-viral medicinal herbs. They do, however, include hilarious explanations like "If you develop breathing problems, pain in your chest, constant vomiting or a fever that keeps rising, go to an emergency room."

    Whatever for? They don't bother to mention that in a pandemic scenario that strikes you with constant vomiting, the entire emergency room is likely to be overrun with other people joining you in a hospital room vomit fest.

    Nor do they mention some other important math: The very limited number of anti-viral medication courses available in the U.S. The last time I checked, that was roughly 50 million courses. If the U.S. population is roughly 300 million people, and there are 50 million courses of anti-viral meds available, how many Americans will have no access to those meds? (Ahem... 250 million people...)

    Here's an even more interesting brain buster for you: If each vaccine shot generates $25 in revenue for drug companies, and the U.S. government orders the production of 160 million vaccines, how much money is Big Pharma making off the pandemic? That answer is roughly $4 billion in net revenues.

    But even that doesn't count all the repeat business from the future victims who suffer neurological side effects from the vaccines and have to be institutionalized and subjected to high-dollar medical care for years on end. In all, a mass vaccination program could end up generating over ten billion dollars in revenues for drug companies.

    These numbers just don't add up
    Now let's look at some serious statistics: If one million people have already been infected with swine flu, and 500 have died, that's a fatality rate of 1 out of 2000 people. Depending on which research you believe, vaccines might at most be credited with preventing 1% of flu deaths during any given flu season (and that's being very generous to the vaccine). So here's the question:

    How many people have to be vaccinated with the new swine flu vaccine to save ONE life from a swine flu fatality?

    (Notice, carefully, this question has never been asked in the mainstream media. That's because the answer isn't exactly what most people want to hear...)

    This question is easy to answer, actually. If the vaccine were 100% effective (that is, they prevented every death that would have otherwise occurred), they could be credited with saving 1 life out of 2000, right? Because that's the normal death rate for this particular virus (these figures are widely quoted by AP, Reuters and the White House, by the way).

    But no vaccine is 100% effective. As I mentioned above, seasonal flu vaccines might -- at a stretch -- be credited with preventing 1% of the deaths that might otherwise have occurred. With this 1% effectiveness factor calculated back into the formula for swine flu (assuming the same 1% effectiveness factor), it turns out that you would have to vaccinate 200,000 people to save ONE life from swine flu.

    That puts a whole new perspective on the vaccine push, doesn't it? 200,000 vaccines costs taxpayers roughly $5,000,000, and it subjects 200,000 people to the potential side effects of these vaccines which have never been subjected to any long-term testing whatsoever.

    It all begs the question: Is it really worth it?

    Is it worth spending $5 million and exposing 200,000 people to potentially dangerous vaccine side effects in order to prevent ONE death from swine flu? And why isn't anybody breaking down the numbers on this issue and providing a serious cost / benefit analysis as I'm doing here?


    Let's be generous to the vaccine...

    Vaccine pushers might argue that the vaccine is far more than 1% effective at preventing swine flu deaths. In their wildest dreams, they might imagine a death reduction rate of, say, a wildly optimistic 10%. But even considering that, is it worth it? If the vaccine stops 10% of deaths that would have otherwise occurred, that still means you'd have to vaccinate 200,000 people to prevent the deaths of ten people.

    I'm going to throw out a wild guess here and suggest that far more than 10 people will be killed by the vaccine itself, completely nullifying any net reduction in total deaths. Mathematically, you see, mass swine flu vaccinations make absolutely no sense given the very low rate of fatalities being observed right now.

    When it comes to swine flu vaccines, any honest look at the math reveals that 200,000 people will have to be vaccinated with a largely untested experimental vaccine in order to prevent the death of one person (or ten people, if you really believe in vaccines). Remembering that more than one person in 200,000 will almost certainly be killed by the vaccine itself, it really makes you wonder: What's the point of all this?

    The point, of course, is to sell vaccines. It's the one math problem that everybody understands: To make money, you have to sell a product, and there's no better way to sell vaccines to 160 million people than to scare them into begging for injections that are statistically opposed their own self interests. But I suppose anything is possible in a country where state governments can punitively tax the poor by convincing them to play the
    lottery. People who play the lottery are very likely to be the same people getting vaccine shots: It's like a lottery on your health, except that your odds of "winning" are far worse than your odds of winning something in a state lotto.

    Let's see: You have a 1 in 1 chance of being injected with foreign viral matter, and yet you only have a 1 in 200,000 chance of your life being saved by it.

    Allow me to put this into perspective: You have a 40 times greater chance of being struck by lightning at some point in your life than having your life saved by the swine flu vaccine. (Source: National Weather Service statistics.)

    Mathematically speaking, getting a swine flu injection and hoping it will save your life is more foolish than buying a lotto ticket with your last dollar and hoping you'll scratch off a multi-million dollar winning ticket.

    And buying a lotto ticket doesn't risk the health of your nervous system, by the way. You can always earn back a buck, but restoring your nervous system after it's attacked by a rogue vaccine can take years or decades. Some never recover. (Thousands died from the 1976 vaccines.)

    Pop quiz: What's the actual cost of vaccinating 160 million Americans with an unproven, experimental swine flu vaccine?

    Answer: $1.6 billion plus countless victims with strange neurological disorders, comas and sudden death -- all of which will be written off as "coincidence" by the vaccine pushers.


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    Darn! I wasted 3 minutes reading this drivel, hoping for just a single perception higher than ground level.
    May I always be found beneath your contempt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by salmoned View Post
    Darn! I wasted 3 minutes reading this drivel, hoping for just a single perception higher than ground level.
    I stopped reading this drivel after the first few paragraphs. Thank you for confirming what I suspected.
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    Consider the source, folks.

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    How credible is NaturalNews.com?

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    I glanced at the initial extensive "article" when it was first posted and went on to other things, remembering the silver debacle. Mahalo to you guys for reading it over.

    My choice is one flu shot a year, and it did not include the piggy flu as far as I know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyleet99 View Post
    My choice is one flu shot a year, and it did not include the piggy flu as far as I know.
    Not yet. Your regular flu shots this season are not for H1N1; that may be available in another month or so.

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    I guess what they say is true- "Ignorance is bliss."

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    No ignorance here. I don't intend to get the H1N1 shot. I do my yearly seasonal, and this year that is enough for me.

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    I would never get a swine flu shot or any other type for reasons that have nothing to do with the current "scam" argument. I have written extensively on my beliefs, so no need to rehash. But I do find it interesting that suddenly it seems to be right vs left argument. It seems EVERYTHING is becoming right vs left in some way, some how. I think Tat's signature says it all -

    Right now, we have faculty who are arguing over this thing (H1N1 scam) and the lines seem to be drawn from a political perspective. Reports on the subject are divided politically as well. Seriously, this divide in our country is getting ridiculously large.

    Maybe I should have just posted to the "What's Pissing You Off" thread.

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    The H1N1 is running rampant here in Dallas. Doctors won't officially confirm cases unless the people are admitted to the hospital, but are backhandedly telling parents, yes, your child has it. Something about not wanting to mess up numbers?

    With all the exposure we've had to it, it's strange. Me, J, and just about all of our friends have had bouts of flu that have been moderate, but only lasted about 3 days. It hit hard, but it was gone fast. I'm still tired though, and can sleep for most of the day. I have NO energy at all, but I don't feel sick anymore. J's co-worker, whose kids were "diagnosed", said that sounded almost exactly like what happened to them. So if that's what the H1N1 flu is, it wasn't as bad as everyone's been saying.

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    I've heaRD ABOUT THE tEXAS EPIDEMIC.
    (F%$#!) caps lock keys!
    I've also heard Medical Prefessionals are REFUSING innoculations!

    My kid was H1N1 positive and treated with an aNTI-VIRAL and recovered OK.

    Someone is scared, or trying to control public perception......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaonohi View Post
    I've also heard Medical Prefessionals are REFUSING innoculations!
    i don't think hawaii hospitals have gotten h1n1 shots yet. the one i work at is just started providing seasonal flu shots first to staff who provide direct patient care.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobinator View Post
    I guess what they say is true- "Ignorance is bliss."
    Bob, the conclusions made in the first part of this article seem reasonable except the proof is never delivered. It’s basically rumor and innuendo, he-said she-said, but mostly, the author said. Frankly any writer who uses phrases like “I’m gonna throw out a wild guess here and suggest” should be fired for journalistic incompetence. Rule #1: never suggest anything to the reader. Let the facts speak for themselves.

    What makes Natural News such a credible source? Think about it. The author is actually suggesting that more people will die from vaccine itself, then the H1N1 virus. Common sense should kick in at that point, and tell you the guy who wrote this is off his rocker. This vaccine has already been clinically tested on thousands of humans — most who have had no side effects. The few that have, experienced headaches and nausea — hardly what most would consider “life-threatening” conditions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acousticlady View Post
    I would never get a swine flu shot or any other type for reasons that have nothing to do with the current "scam" argument. I have written extensively on my beliefs, so no need to rehash. But I do find it interesting that suddenly it seems to be right vs left argument. It seems EVERYTHING is becoming right vs left in some way, some how. I think Tat's signature says it all -

    Right now, we have faculty who are arguing over this thing (H1N1 scam) and the lines seem to be drawn from a political perspective. Reports on the subject are divided politically as well. Seriously, this divide in our country is getting ridiculously large.

    Maybe I should have just posted to the "What's Pissing You Off" thread.
    AcousticLady-

    I only got started on my flu scam alert. But judging by the initial responses, many are not able to accept or receive the mounting evidence of corruption in the world of Big Pharma. The case against Big Pharma and the World Health Organization will blow your mind, if not cause you to fall in denial. As you have noted, there is a deliberate move to politicize this issue in an desperate attempt to skirt the real issue and distract you from the real issue of deep rooted corruption in our government. I would recommend googling or Youtubing "Jane Burgermeister", a scientific journalist who teamed up with the support of several doctors to file a lawsuit against the WHO in Austria for pushing this pandemic B.S. But I warn that not many will be able to receive her testimony.

    Most of you aren't aware that it has been proven that H1N1 was manufactured in a bioweapons lab, and that Baxter filed for the Swine Flu vaccine patent 1 year before the outbreak in Mexico. The patent was approved in April 2009. The outbreak occurred the following month in May. These facts are out there, but is not being disclosed by our news media. Gee, I wonder why? Heck, if they can steal $787 Billion from the American people to give to their central banker friends through the TARP program, then this is nothing!

    Most people don't know that 10x as many Mexicans died from the Swine Flu than any other race, leading people to beleive it was designed to be race specific. You do the math. I don't beleive all that crock about a lack of sanitation being the reason. Sanitation in Mexico is no different than most other countries. Meanwhile, Baxter made $4 Billion to manufacture the vaccine, and stand to make more in the future, as long as they can convince us that it's a pandemic. Admittedly, 340 deaths from Swine Flu compared to 36,000 deaths a year from the regular flu strain is hardly a pandemic. It's not even a sneeze! (Pun)

    On the scientific side, you and I probably share a lot of what you beleive in vaccines. So, I ain't gettin it either, not even the regular flu shot.
    Last edited by Bobinator; September 30th, 2009 at 04:26 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaonohi View Post
    I've heaRD ABOUT THE tEXAS EPIDEMIC.
    (F%$#!) caps lock keys!
    I've also heard Medical Prefessionals are REFUSING innoculations!

    My kid was H1N1 positive and treated with an aNTI-VIRAL and recovered OK.

    Someone is scared, or trying to control public perception......

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    Quote Originally Posted by TuNnL View Post
    Bob, the conclusions made in the first part of this article seem reasonable except the proof is never delivered. It’s basically rumor and innuendo, he-said she-said, but mostly, the author said. Frankly any writer who uses phrases like “I’m gonna throw out a wild guess here and suggest” should be fired for journalistic incompetence. Rule #1: never suggest anything to the reader. Let the facts speak for themselves.

    What makes Natural News such a credible source? Think about it. The author is actually suggesting that more people will die from vaccine itself, then the H1N1 virus. Common sense should kick in at that point, and tell you the guy who wrote this is off his rocker. This vaccine has already been clinically tested on thousands of humans — most who have had no side effects. The few that have, experienced headaches and nausea — hardly what most would consider “life-threatening” conditions.
    TunNL-

    I disagree. The vaccine has not been tested. This article released yesterday contradicts your claim- http://news.bbc.co.uk/cbbcnews/hi/ne...8279894.stm?ls

    There are many other articles that support the one above. If you can provide an article or something in writing to prove it has been adequately tested, then I will take note.

    This article was released on July 28, 2009 about 12,000 children to be used to test the vaccine. From what I understand, testing requires a minimum of 6 months- http://www.examiner.com/x-7160-Sacra...y-side-effects

    Regarding people dying from the vaccine, you should watch the 60 minute documentary on the Swine Flu in 1976. More people died as a result of the vaccine than the flu itself. The same ingredients associated with the cause of Gulf War Syndrome from the vaccines are being used in the Swine Flu vaccine, namely Thimerosal (mercury) and Squalene (an adjuvant). Both of these are linked to various diseases, including autism. Thousands of U.S. soldiers died from Gulf War Syndrome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobinator View Post
    I disagree. The vaccine has not been tested. This article released yesterday contradicts your claim- http://news.bbc.co.uk/cbbcnews/hi/ne...8279894.stm?ls.
    Here again, is a representation of your failure to do even basic research, Bob. The article details testing to begin on children in a particular region of the United Kingdom. No where in that article does it say it is the first clinical trial on human beings, because it isn’t. Here is an article printed three weeks ago in a scientific journal that details a clinical trial on 2,800 adults — far more extensive than the targeted little test you cite.

    Again, I’m not trying to debate your basic premise that the H1N1 virus was manufactured in a lab. That is still a theory that hasn’t been officially debunked. The point here, is that your sources are suspect. You would do well to try something more cerebral than a children’s BBC website — but it’s a good start.

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    Quote Originally Posted by surlygirly View Post
    So if that's what the H1N1 flu is, it wasn't as bad as everyone's been saying.
    Ya'll had some kind of kiddie ride flu. Wail til you get the real McCoy. Kiss an entire month bye bye, if you live that long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TuNnL View Post
    Here again, is a representation of your failure to do even basic research, Bob. The article details testing to begin on children in a particular region of the United Kingdom. No where in that article does it say it is the first clinical trial on human beings, because it isn’t. Here is an article printed three weeks ago in a scientific journal that details a clinical trial on 2,800 adults — far more extensive than the targeted little test you cite.

    Again, I’m not trying to debate your basic premise that the H1N1 virus was manufactured in a lab. That is still a theory that hasn’t been officially debunked. The point here, is that your sources are suspect. You would do well to try something more cerebral than a children’s BBC website — but it’s a good start.
    Let's not get personal here. My sources are numerous, and I'm sure I've spent a lot more time on researching this subject. Based on this CBS article, clinical trials have just recently started, and many parents, doctors and nurses are leery about the vaccine- http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/...n5290536.shtmlhttp://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/...n5290536.shtml

    You don't start clinical trials and poke the general populace at the same time. What the research is intended to do is see if the vaccine works. What I'm concerned about is what the negative effects it will have on our health. Guillan Bar Syndrome doesn't happen overnight. Read this article- http://www.infowars.com/cdc-warns-ne...ine-flu-shots/

    You talk about reliable new sources, and that's a legitimate concern. But I get my news from a wide range of sources that confirm there's a serious concern, even from the medical field. Here's another news article with statements from Dr. Leonard Horowitz of Harvard University, expressing concerns about vaccines-http://www.postchronicle.com/news/original/article_212254207.shtml

    Keep in mind that many of the news sources you may deem reliable are the primary source of government propaganda. I've been to mainland China for long visits, and always complained how their people are controlled by their government run news media. It took several years to realize that to a large degree we are in the same boat, except we currently have a relatively unrestricted news source called the internet. And now,the government wants to place restrictions on that as well, because their shenanigans are being exposed.

    Whatever the outcome of our debate, the main things is to inform people and get them to think for themselves, rather than being manipulated and controlled by the global elite scum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Whitfield View Post
    Ya'll had some kind of kiddie ride flu. Wail til you get the real McCoy. Kiss an entire month bye bye, if you live that long.
    I'm sure Swine Flu affects people differently. I think it depends on whether you've been exposed to its various components in the past. From what I've learned, H1N1 is a combinant of Swine Flu, Bird Flu and 2 strains of Type-A Human Flu. So if you've caught one or more of these, you may get milder symptoms.

    The one you ought to be concerned about is the Bird Flu that's killed over 86 people in Egypt. The mortality rate is like 64%. Now that's a plague!

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    Just a current update on what's happening on the war front. A prominent Washington D.C. attorney filed a lawsuit to halt the S.F. vaccine alleging it was not adequately tested, and that Federal Laws were broken to fast track it-

    http://www.naturalnews.com/027205_va...u_the_FDA.html

    Before anyone vouches for the vaccine's safety, one ought to consider why the Director for the Dept. of Health and Human Services, Kathleen Sebelius, granted tort immunity to the vaccine makers under the 2006 Public Readiness and Emergency Preparedness Act. Seems like Baxter Pharmaceuticals is not confident in their own poison, not to mention the lawsuits stemming from the 25 deaths and hundreds of vaccine victims with debilitating side-effects from their 1976 Swine Flu vaccine as noted on the 60 Minutes documentary shown on youtube.

    Here's a couple of articles on this-

    http://www.foodconsumer.org/newsite/...ne_makers.html

    2006 Public Readiness and Emergency Preparedness Act
    http://www.hhs.gov/disasters/emergen...accine-qa.html

    Here's an article on our friends, the Baxter's- http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009...vaccine-baxter
    Last edited by Bobinator; October 13th, 2009 at 12:04 PM.

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    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33536746...-cold_and_flu/

    There are some good sides to medication. They don't want to just suck your blood.

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    Not all medicines are bad, but one needs to do some research before injecting anything into their bodies.

    Here's a clip of what many doctors are saying abou the flu vaccine, particularly for H1N1- http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/727.html

    Here's a provoking question, why aren't "they" eschewing the virtues of Vitamin D3, which is highly effective for preventing colds and flus? Because they can't make their billions with nutrition. Many doctors say vitamin D3 and other natural remedies are more effective than the vaccines.

    Follow the money.

    Here's what Dr. Rauni Kilde, former Health Minister of Finland has to say about the Swine Flu pandemic- "Total Rubbish" and orchestrated to make huge profits for BigPharma.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=185HKE2c5Gg

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobinator View Post
    Here's a provoking question, why aren't "they" eschewing the virtues of Vitamin D3, which is highly effective for preventing colds and flus? Because they can't make their billions with nutrition. Many doctors say vitamin D3 and other natural remedies are more effective than the vaccines.
    Where do they sell Vitamin D3? I just take the regular Vitamin D.

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