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    Okay so the paper today says a 21-year old woman...well read this from the Star Advertiser...


    A 21-year-old female bicyclist who appeared to be in her 20s died after apparently being struck by a Roberts Hawaii tour bus at Dillingham Boulevard and Waiakamilo Road at 3:57 p.m. today.

    The woman was treated by paramedics at the scene and then taken to a trauma center in critical condition, said Bryan Cheplic, a spokesman for the city Department of Emergency Services. Police said the woman later died.


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    Appeared to be in her 20's? I guess being 21 can appear to be that way

    Apparently being struck by a Roberts Hawaii tour bus? Hmmm well maybe it was a city bus that looked like a Roberts Hawaii tour bus...apparently.

    sometimes ya gotta wonder how the overnighters at the news desk got edumacated...
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    Quote Originally Posted by craigwatanabe View Post
    Appeared to be in her 20's? I guess being 21 can appear to be that way
    Sounds like the sentence was originally written before the victim's age was confirmed. Then, when her actual age was added to the article, someone forgot to remove the part that said "appeared to be in her 20s."

    Quote Originally Posted by craigwatanabe View Post
    Apparently being struck by a Roberts Hawaii tour bus? Hmmm well maybe it was a city bus that looked like a Roberts Hawaii tour bus...apparently.
    If the accident is still being investigated by HPD and not all the facts have been established, it can be wise for a reporter to qualify the account of what happened.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frankie's Market View Post
    Sounds like the sentence was originally written before the victim's age was confirmed. Then, when her actual age was added to the article, someone forgot to remove the part that said "appeared to be in her 20s."



    If the accident is still being investigated by HPD and not all the facts have been established, it can be wise for a reporter to qualify the account of what happened.
    Well you would think that whatever bus hit her would still be around the scene of the accident as HPD did their investigation. If the reporter was there, it would be fairly obvious what bus hit her by virtue of their observations at the scene...IF they were there of course.
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    Quote Originally Posted by craigwatanabe View Post
    Well you would think that whatever bus hit her would still be around the scene of the accident as HPD did their investigation. If the reporter was there, it would be fairly obvious what bus hit her by virtue of their observations at the scene...IF they were there of course.
    Craig, I think you need to backtrack a little,.... if you want to understand the reporter's rationale in using the word "apparently" in that breaking news article.

    When the reporter wrote the bicyclist died "after apparently being struck by a Roberts Hawaii tour bus," the reporter's use of the word "apparently" wasn't referring to the identity of the tour bus involved in the accident. Rather, the reporter appears to be referring to whether or not the bus "struck" the bicylist. Keep in mind that you are picking on what was then a breaking news story. So at the time, the account of what happened was still sketchy. The reporter might have talked to people who say it was the tour bus driver who hit the bicylist as he was making a turn, but until the reliability of those witness accounts can be determined, it's dangerous to jump to conclusions and to make statements with no qualifications that assigns blame or fault to a particular party. Sure, the reporter goes to the scene of the accident and sees a mangled bicycle underneath the tour bus. Does it automatically mean that it was the tour bus that struck the bicycle? What if it later turned out that a whole bunch of other eyewitnesses say that it was the bicyclist who rode straight into the pathway of a tour bus that was already making the turn? Do you see the problem in making a premature statement with no qualifications?
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    Quote Originally Posted by craigwatanabe View Post
    Okay so the paper today says a 21-year old woman...well read this from the Star Advertiser...
    A 21-year-old female bicyclist who appeared to be in her 20s
    Maybe having a major assault on the human body can make the unfortunate victim appear older. But in this case, the reporter observed that the victim remained appearing as though aged 20ish?

    There must be some reasoning behind the statement in the quote. Or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amati View Post
    Maybe having a major assault on the human body can make the unfortunate victim appear older. But in this case, the reporter observed that the victim remained appearing as though aged 20ish?

    There must be some reasoning behind the statement in the quote. Or not.
    I think FM's original assessment is more likely the reason here. Basically bad editing.
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    She was a friend of a friend. We were all very sad to hear this news. Makes me wish even more that we had more bike-friendly streets, especially with so many tour buses. I know how difficult it is to see bikes when they are making a turn. And bicyclists are definitely guilty of darting in and around cars to try and short-cut things...


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