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    Best Hawaiian Music Album - Vocal or Instrumental.

    1. HUANA KE ALOHA
    Tia Carrere
    [Daniel Ho Creations]

    2. AMY HANAIALI'I AND SLACK KEY MASTERS OF HAWAII
    Amy Hanaiali‘i And Slack Key Masters Of Hawaii
    [Peterson Productions]

    3. POLANI
    Daniel Ho
    [Daniel Ho Creations]

    4. THE LEGEND
    Ledward Kaapana
    [Rhythm & Roots Records]

    5. MAUI ON MY MIND - HAWAIIAN SLACK KEY GUITAR
    Jeff Peterson
    [Peterson Productions]

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    That's a lot of ki hoalu.

    I haven't heard any of them, 'though I've been eying that Amy CD since it came out. How many have you heard?
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    Quote Originally Posted by scrivener View Post
    How many have you heard?
    I have all five, but haven't given them all as deep a listen as I will need to now, before I vote.

    Tia's is another lullaby-oriented disc, Daniel's is his solo `ukulele work. The Amy disc, while featuring her with different artists, also puts the spotlight on other folks (including, finally, some singing from Chino Montero - we've been pushing him to do his own album for years). This collection was put together by Jeff Peterson - which might draw attention away from his own album, a great collection of mostly originals. And Led is Led - what can you say? His work is always a prime representation of ki ho`alu.

    I'll be profiling all of them on my radio shows this weekend.

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    The laser-guided focus Grammy voters have on slack key has been discussed extensively here... so I'm actually pleasantly amused to see Amy Hanaiali'i basically going with the "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em" strategy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pzarquon View Post
    The laser-guided focus Grammy voters have on slack key has been discussed extensively here... so I'm actually pleasantly amused to see Amy Hanaiali'i basically going with the "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em" strategy.
    You can thank Jeff Peterson for that, it was his "concept."

    (Remember, though - there was one year slack key didn't win; Tia Carrere & Daniel Ho did.)

    Interesting note as well - this is the first year since they started issuing annual collections from the weekly slack key concerts on Maui that the compilation from those shows did not get a nomination.

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    Very well-written article on the topic coming out in this Sunday's NY Times:
    http://moourl.com/zzn7s

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    That is well done. Guy knows his stuff and I think he hit on the complexity of the issues without getting too esoteric or seeming to take sides. I was expecting to have to put my dukes up once again in defense of ki hoalu, but I think he represented my position fairly well, although I'd have gone further than to call Led Kaapana, Sonny Chillingworth, and Gabby Pahinui mere "virtuosos." Whatever one might say about the music they play(ed), nobody really discounts them as not being Hawaiian enough. I might have leaned a little harder on that point. But then I have a ki hoalu bias.
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    As someone who's expressed dismay at the ki ho'alu tunnel vision, I, too, thought the piece was well-written. So yes, kudos to Nate Chinen for balance and comprehension. At the very least, it's national exposure for a debate that must otherwise seem pretty esoteric, if not silly.

    A pity the introduction of a hyperlink introduced a typo: "Their campaigning for a stand-alone category finally paid of in 2005."

    But I liked this:
    In a twist, neither of [Daniel Ho's] nominated albums this year feature slack-key guitar. That may tilt the scales toward the other nominees... [like] Ms. Hanaiali‘i, with her fifth nomination, "Amy Hanaiali‘i and Slack Key Masters of Hawaii" (Peterson Productions). “That was a definite strategic play,” Ms. Hanaiali‘i readily admitted of her album’s concept and title.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scrivener View Post
    That is well done. Guy knows his stuff ...
    Quote Originally Posted by pzarquon View Post
    ... yes, kudos to Nate Chinen for balance and comprehension...
    I must admit, I have always wondered if the writer has Island ties; the only Chinens I know have all been from Hawai`i (good Uchinanchu name...) So I looked up his bio:
    I was born and raised in Hawaii, a place where tradition and commerce coexist fruitfully, if not always agreeably. My parents were entertainers; much of my childhood was spent at the musicians union and in nightclubs. For some years I had designs on following in their footsteps, though writing also captivated me early on. Live music was a tangible thing for me long before recordings.

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    So could his parents be Teddy and Nanci Tanaka? I believe Teddy Tanaka's real name is Teddy Chinen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by D'Alani View Post
    So could his parents be Teddy and Nanci Tanaka? I believe Teddy Tanaka's real name is Teddy Chinen.
    A friend on another board did some research and found that your guess was correct: http://www.iolanibulletin.org/issues...ures/tam_young

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leo Lakio View Post
    Best Hawaiian Music Album - Vocal or Instrumental.

    1. HUANA KE ALOHA, Tia Carrere, [Daniel Ho Creations]

    2. AMY HANAIALI'I AND SLACK KEY MASTERS OF HAWAII, Amy Hanaiali‘i And Slack Key Masters Of Hawaii, [Peterson Productions]

    3. POLANI, Daniel Ho, [Daniel Ho Creations]

    4. THE LEGEND, Ledward Kaapana, [Rhythm & Roots Records]

    5. MAUI ON MY MIND - HAWAIIAN SLACK KEY GUITAR, Jeff Peterson, Peterson Productions]
    And the winner is TIA CARRERE.
    It seemed like most people were pulling for Amy Hanaiali`i, partly to get away from the slack key domination over the past years, but even Amy had "slack key" in her album title, which many felt was her attempt to sway voters.
    Tia's win is guaranteed to be controversial. And this is her second Hawaiian Grammy.
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    You know, I haven't decided if all the "controversy" is good or bad for local music. I appreciate the discussion and the attention it might bring to otherwise overlooked nominees, but when it turns into whatever the heck happened to Eric Gilliom, when the local music community uses it as a way to take shots at itself, it sucks.

    Whatever you might think of Tia, she's a local girl who found success in the showbiz mainstream and now finds success almost as far away from the mainstream as you can be. It's one thing to disagree about whether or not Tia's album is worthy; it's another entirely to shun her and the people who voted for her.

    Everyone loves Israel Kamakawiwoole's "Over the Rainbow" and takes great pleasure in seeing its mainstream success all over the world. That's less Hawaiian than Tia's album.

    I congratulate her.

    (Lika, this wasn't aimed at you; I realize that following your post it's going to sound like it is.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by scrivener View Post
    (Lika, this wasn't aimed at you; I realize that following your post it's going to sound like it is.)
    No problem, Scriv. I realized right off that you weren't aiming at me. After all, I haven't taken any sides in the Grammy wars, I only posted the results, so no reason anyone would aim at me.
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    The heat is already flaming up.

    Amy Hanaiali`i tweeted "I feel sad, sitting here with two GREAT Hawaiian musicians, Uncle Dennis and Uncle Cyril and they r contemplating a request to dissolve the Hawaiian music category".

    And Dennis Kamakahi tweeted "We've been robbed!!!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by scrivener View Post
    Whatever you might think of Tia, she's a local girl who found success in the showbiz mainstream and now finds success almost as far away from the mainstream as you can be. It's one thing to disagree about whether or not Tia's album is worthy; it's another entirely to shun her and the people who voted for her.

    Everyone loves Israel Kamakawiwoole's "Over the Rainbow" and takes great pleasure in seeing its mainstream success all over the world. That's less Hawaiian than Tia's album.
    You're right, Scriv. The reason why some locals are upset with Tia and Daniel winning Grammys has nothing to do with the music itself.

    And emphasis should be placed on the word "some." I believe that if a poll was taken, you would find that most people in this state are okay with Tia winning. Those who are disgruntled may be a very vocal bunch, but they don't speak for everyone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LikaNui View Post
    Amy Hanaiali`i tweeted "I feel sad, sitting here with two GREAT Hawaiian musicians, Uncle Dennis and Uncle Cyril and they r contemplating a request to dissolve the Hawaiian music category".
    But she finished the comment with: "I say we just HOLOMUA!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frankie's Market View Post
    You're right, Scriv. The reason why some locals are upset with Tia and Daniel winning Grammys has nothing to do with the music itself.
    Very, very true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leo Lakio View Post
    But she finished the comment with: "I say we just HOLOMUA!"
    Thx for keeping the quote in context, LL. I'm not a tweeter/twit/whatever so would not have known there was more to the quote.

    From Amy, on Facebook...and in it's entirety:
    I wanted to take time to reflect on everyone’s aloha to us, we have to remember that we honor Hawai'i through music and that is our first joy. MAHALO to Adrian Kamali'i and his team at Pae ‘Āina Communications for all that they do to keep me connected with you all! Thanks to Honolulu Pulse for allowing us to share this experience with you! ALOHA NUI!

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    So Amy added a sit-on-the-fence comment. If that's how she really feels, why did she herself quote Dennis Kamakahi and Cyril Pahinui as planning to request the Grammy's drop the Hawaiian music category?
    The fact that Amy is on the fence is manini. The part about Dennis and Cyril is HUGE and is the part that everyone is going to be talking about.
    That's why I only quoted that part. Her last sentence is next to meaningless and has nothing to do with context.
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    Amy has been very public (repeatedly) on social media with her congratulations to Tia and Daniel, as has Chino Montero (who was also on the album with Amy).

    Uncle Dennis, on the other hand, told me "this is war." I understand his anger and disappointment - yet that comment took me by surprise. It will be interesting to see what steps he and Uncle Cyril choose to take, and how effective they can be, considering what tremendous respect they have in the Hawaiian music world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leo Lakio View Post
    It will be interesting to see what steps he (Uncle Dennis) and Uncle Cyril choose to take, and how effective they can be, considering what tremendous respect they have in the Hawaiian music world.
    Indeed, and that was exactly the point of my earlier posts.
    So many people spent so many years trying to get a Hawaiian category into the Grammys, and after just a few years many now want it removed. It'll indeed be interesting to see what happens.
    But most of what happens will be of low visibility to the general public. In the field of Hawaiian music the 'aloha image' is one thing, with the musicians and related folks putting on a happy face for the public and often pretending that everything is lovely and fine, but among each other their opinions often change 180 degrees.
    Today's Star-Advertiser had the latest issue featured on the front cover with the headline "Grammy fractures Hawaiian music circles" and John Berger's story is at this link.
    He also points out Amy's followup comment about "holomua," to improve and progress. But it's entirely possible that Amy might mean that eliminating the Hawaiian category would be improvement and progression and that she agrees with Dennis and Cyril. Hmmmm...
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    "this is war', "we've been robbed!" my oh my, just think what they'd be saying if steel guitar took it every year, like it should!

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    After reading John Berger's article I feel that Leah Bernstein, president of The Mountain Apple Co. says it all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by D'Alani View Post
    After reading John Berger's article I feel that Leah Bernstein, president of The Mountain Apple Co. says it all.
    I'm in agreement there. There is a contingent of people in the Islands who are qualified to join NARAS, but have not done so - these are experienced, knowledgeable & talented folks who could make a difference in influencing the direction of this particular award. Why they do not do so mystifies me.

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